"Some of this new crop of players could have gone professional in other sports but chose golf"

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  • JDCONJDCON PrincetonMembers Posts: 319 ✭✭✭✭

    JB Holmes would dominate the curling circuit.

  • WesquireWesquire Members Posts: 796 ✭✭✭✭✭

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    @PZero said:
    That was originally in a PGA Tour commercial regarding Rickie Fowler and being a pro motocross rider.

    Is that considered a sport?

    I'd say its more a sport than the "esports" AKA playing video games you were > @bladehunter said:

    @Wesquire said:

    @PZero said:
    That was originally in a PGA Tour commercial regarding Rickie Fowler and being a pro motocross rider.

    Is that considered a sport?

    Lol. More so than video games. And has been for 40-50 years.
    @Wesquire said:

    @PZero said:
    That was originally in a PGA Tour commercial regarding Rickie Fowler and being a pro motocross rider.

    Is that considered a sport?

    Video games = sport
    Motocross = not a sport

    I didn't say esports were a sport. I even contrasted it against "real sports". I don't consider either of them a sport.

    You kidding me? Obviously you have no clue about the combination of conditioning, strength, coordination, and timing that is required to be a pro motocross rider. It is easily one of the top 3 most physically demanding sports in the world. I LOVE golf but motocross is more of a sport than golf if you want to go down that road. Their window of "prime years" is probably half of what an NFL running backs career is.

    Top 3 most demanding is completely ridiculous. But that's not even why I dont consider it a sport. I dont consider something a sport unless a fundamental aspect of it requires players to directly affect other players. No doubt that riders affect other riders in motocross, but it isnt a fundamental aspect. Same with pro cycling. I dont consider golf a sport either. Actually, esports are closer to being sports than any of those based on my criteria.

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  • puresurfrpuresurfr Members Posts: 1,956 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 3, 2019 10:05pm #154

    @Lagavulin62 said:
    Why all the disrespect? BK, DJ, and prob even Rory would be star linebackers anywhere in the NFL. Golf gives them more time to spend with family at the best resorts worldwide. It’s not just about them.

    Linebacker in football ??? Not the NFL, but perhaps the LFL


  • Lagavulin62Lagavulin62 Members Posts: 2,318 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @puresurfr said:

    @Lagavulin62 said:
    Why all the disrespect? BK, DJ, and prob even Rory would be star linebackers anywhere in the NFL. Golf gives them more time to spend with family at the best resorts worldwide. It’s not just about them.

    Linebacker in football ??? Not the NFL, but perhaps the LFL


    You know that’s a pretty scary thought being on the bottom of a pile of butches. That league is way too brutal for my tastes. I’ll take my licks with the NFL. I’m too much of a wimp for the LFL.

  • dan360dan360 Paisano Members Posts: 5,395 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Lagavulin62 said:

    @dan360 said:

    @Lagavulin62 said:

    @dan360 said:
    Fowler was headed in the right direction for a reasonable AMA “pro” career. He barely got into the big bikes before smashing his foot into 3 pieces at 15 yrs old. That’s when he concentrated on golf more serious and is probably the only current American tour player with a halfway decent shot at another something else sporty career. You don’t rock a 14 number plate in national media without being able to back it up.

    For the legends, Arnold Palmer was a legit pool hustler. Nicklaus and Nick Price could probably win bass fishing tournaments today, and Hale Irwin was a pretty accomplished D1 football player.

    For Euros, Sergio played professional football/soccer, briefly, and I’ve heard rumors of a few other Euro players who know their way around a pitch, and have talent with a cricket bat.

    Interesting post but assuming it’s serious let me critique honestly.

    I think I am in the majority that believe motor sports, fishing, and certainly pool, do not require the level of athleticism as skill sports such as the big 3.(football, basketball, baseball) Also look at the level of access to motor sports. I went to HS in a small northeast Texas town, pretty much a hotbed area for motorized sports. Yet I only recall one classmate involved in motor cross. I don’t know of anyone with links to auto racing. Of course that really doesn’t have anything to do with whether these so called sports are in fact sports. But I would argue they do not require an ability comparable to traditional sports and at least at this point, most of those competitive “sports” require access, at least at the entry level, and that lack of access by many is the primary barrier, not natural born talent. I promise you if given opportunities many would excel in those areas that otherwise could never compete in the usual sports. It’s not the same argument as saying golf and tennis are not as competitive because most kids don’t play those sports. In other words auto sports, fishing, probably even bowling, are not as competitive, not because real athletes don’t compete, but because everyday kids do not have access.

    So to say Ricky, Arnold, could have been pros in another “sport”, well you haven’t made any sort of convincing argument.

    That said you are probably correct about Irwin, Sergio, and other Euros. I don’t think anyone would argue against the athletic ability to play soccer, criquet, and the like.

    Obviously you’ve never played best of 7 on a 10 ft Gold Crown in a fog of unfiltered Camel smoke surrounded by people with concealed weapons and thousands of dollars to lose between you and the drop top Deville outside the door.

    No I haven’t. But if everyone in your worst case scenario was a licensed carrier, suffice to say you were not in grave physical danger. And if you don’t understand that you know nothing of guns and some of the people who carry them.

    You still haven’t proven pool is a sport on par with the big 3. If you want to say it’s similar to high stakes poker, yeah I can see that.

    Logical fallacy for $300, Alex

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    I've heard that Padraig Harrington could have gone pro as an accountant. Matthew Wolff could have gone pro with Cirque Du Soleil. And David Duval could have been a pro snowboarder if he hadn't gotten injured.

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    @jonsnow said:
    I've heard that Padraig Harrington could have gone pro as an accountant. Matthew Wolff could have gone pro with Cirque Du Soleil. And David Duval could have been a pro snowboarder if he hadn't gotten injured.

    Ha!

    How bout Lumpy Heron be pro like,

  • jonsnowjonsnow GeorgiaMembers Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Phil Mickelson could have gone professional as a gambler & day trader. Maybe not a particularly good one, but still...

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  • cdnglfcdnglf Members Posts: 3,446 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @jonsnow said:
    Phil Mickelson could have gone professional as a gambler & day trader. Maybe not a particularly good one, but still...

    Falconry was his true calling

  • RobertBaronRobertBaron Members Posts: 835 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Based on physical attributes of the average PGA Tour pro, their only realistic options would be in MLB or as a kicker or pocket passing QB in the NFL. I just don’t believe any of the current players have the speed or athleticism to play hockey or soccer. And obviously NBA is out as the tour probably averages 6ft in height.

  • RichsgboxRichsgbox Members Posts: 112 ✭✭✭

    I’m sure these guys didnt have the time to take up another sport. I could see Finau as a b-ball player or centerfielder.

  • Oz MaxOz Max Members Posts: 147 ✭✭✭

    I heard T Olesen had considered a future as airline pilot

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    @MtlJeff said:

    @cdnglf said:

    @straightshot7 said:

    @Wesquire said:

    @straightshot7 said:

    @mjen43 said:
    Koepka admitted himself he wasn’t good at baseball, which is why he turned to golf.

    DJ would have to play PG in the NBA because he is short for a basketball player (lol good luck with that).

    Nobody on tour could play any other sport professionally, or they would have. Golf doesn’t pay well enough for a real athlete to choose it over other major sports.

    Malarkey when you factor in endorsements and longevity.

    A top golfer has higher earning potential than any top football, basketball, baseball, hockey player because their career can last 40 years and they are prime endorsers.

    LeBron's career earnings + endorsements are like $2 billion

    You mean 40 years from now?

    They aren't even close to that right now....reportedly he will go over $1 billion once his Laker contract is paid out. Where did you get $2 billion?

    But obviously I'm talking about the average top player, not #1 from each sport. Though Tiger is more than all of them if you want to go there.

    I didn't mean to say "any" or mean it literally. I know LeBron makes a lot of money. But what I meant is over the course of their entire career, a top golfer will make more than a comparable level player of another sport.

    No way. NBA max is now ~$35M/year, and the supermax is ~$45M. 100th on the baseball career salary list is $116M; 100th on the PGA Tour money list is $16M.

    Kicking it around on the senior tour and pumping Adams hybrids doesn’t come close to making up that difference.

    Agreed the NBA is just crazy now. Highest average salary in the history of pro sports plus guaranteed contracts.

    Joe Johnson made 200M in his career and he was never a top 10 player.

    A #1 overall pick now with shoe deals and contracts could easily earn 500m in his career . A guy like Jamal Murray in Denver could earn close to 400M by the time he's 32-33 even if he doesn't make an all star team

    Plus is Guaranteed! Nothing comes close to basketball. The 25th best player in the league will make more in 15 years than koepka will in his career

    And in a sport that is number three in popularity in the U.S. (number four if you break out college football from the NFL).

  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Members Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Come on guys, not even all pro athletes are equal. NBA guys are the most athletic. Then NFL (those 300 pound guys are fast as lightning, for like 10 seconds each). Soccer (Futbol) guys who can run forever. Then we have the crazy hand eye guys in Baseball and Tennis. Golf attracts talent somewhere below or between that. Sports like Tennis and Golf require so much money and nurturing you don't get everyone top athletically to pursue. Badminton and table tennis has gotta be below that. Cricket I don't know much about. Bottom is probably like Bowling and Snooker in terms of athletic ability.
    But we've all see NBA or NFL pro's try to hit a golf ball. The guys who play a lot are not even close to pro level. It's not like you drop MJ in golf he'd beat Tiger. That's not how it works. So you can say athletically golf is at a deficit but not skill level. But no these guys can't go pro or even D1 most top colleges. Like others have said, there's more money. It's also cooler to play basketball or football. Though if they get it right, would be possible to find the next level Tiger. Would be a bigger taller stronger Tiger.

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  • WesquireWesquire Members Posts: 796 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 7, 2019 2:51am #166

    @Golfjack said:
    Come on guys, not even all pro athletes are equal. NBA guys are the most athletic. Then NFL (those 300 pound guys are fast as lightning, for like 10 seconds each). Soccer (Futbol) guys who can run forever. Then we have the crazy hand eye guys in Baseball and Tennis. Golf attracts talent somewhere below or between that. Sports like Tennis and Golf require so much money and nurturing you don't get everyone top athletically to pursue. Badminton and table tennis has gotta be below that. Cricket I don't know much about. Bottom is probably like Bowling and Snooker in terms of athletic ability.
    But we've all see NBA or NFL pro's try to hit a golf ball. The guys who play a lot are not even close to pro level. It's not like you drop MJ in golf he'd beat Tiger. That's not how it works. So you can say athletically golf is at a deficit but not skill level. But no these guys can't go pro or even D1 most top colleges. Like others have said, there's more money. It's also cooler to play basketball or football. Though if they get it right, would be possible to find the next level Tiger. Would be a bigger taller stronger Tiger.

    I've played against a couple NBA and D1 basketball players (not competitively, but they came to the gym I play in). They are not even in the same universe athletically as an NFL running back I played with in high school. RB, WR, and CB in the NFL are probably the most athletic group in all of sports. NBA wings/guards next.

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    edited Aug 7, 2019 4:25am #167

    Connie Mack was the most Athletic ever.

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    edited Aug 7, 2019 3:03am #168

    @Wesquire said:

    @Golfjack said:
    Come on guys, not even all pro athletes are equal. NBA guys are the most athletic. Then NFL (those 300 pound guys are fast as lightning, for like 10 seconds each). Soccer (Futbol) guys who can run forever. Then we have the crazy hand eye guys in Baseball and Tennis. Golf attracts talent somewhere below or between that. Sports like Tennis and Golf require so much money and nurturing you don't get everyone top athletically to pursue. Badminton and table tennis has gotta be below that. Cricket I don't know much about. Bottom is probably like Bowling and Snooker in terms of athletic ability.
    But we've all see NBA or NFL pro's try to hit a golf ball. The guys who play a lot are not even close to pro level. It's not like you drop MJ in golf he'd beat Tiger. That's not how it works. So you can say athletically golf is at a deficit but not skill level. But no these guys can't go pro or even D1 most top colleges. Like others have said, there's more money. It's also cooler to play basketball or football. Though if they get it right, would be possible to find the next level Tiger. Would be a bigger taller stronger Tiger.

    I've played against a couple NBA and D1 basketball players (not competitively, but they came to the gym I play in). They are not even in the same universe athletically as an NFL running back I played with in high school. RB, WR, and CB in the NFL are probably the most athletic group in all of sports. NBA wings/guards next.

    Best athlete ever in the NFL?

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    @bscinstnct said:

    @Wesquire said:

    @Golfjack said:
    Come on guys, not even all pro athletes are equal. NBA guys are the most athletic. Then NFL (those 300 pound guys are fast as lightning, for like 10 seconds each). Soccer (Futbol) guys who can run forever. Then we have the crazy hand eye guys in Baseball and Tennis. Golf attracts talent somewhere below or between that. Sports like Tennis and Golf require so much money and nurturing you don't get everyone top athletically to pursue. Badminton and table tennis has gotta be below that. Cricket I don't know much about. Bottom is probably like Bowling and Snooker in terms of athletic ability.
    But we've all see NBA or NFL pro's try to hit a golf ball. The guys who play a lot are not even close to pro level. It's not like you drop MJ in golf he'd beat Tiger. That's not how it works. So you can say athletically golf is at a deficit but not skill level. But no these guys can't go pro or even D1 most top colleges. Like others have said, there's more money. It's also cooler to play basketball or football. Though if they get it right, would be possible to find the next level Tiger. Would be a bigger taller stronger Tiger.

    I've played against a couple NBA and D1 basketball players (not competitively, but they came to the gym I play in). They are not even in the same universe athletically as an NFL running back I played with in high school. RB, WR, and CB in the NFL are probably the most athletic group in all of sports. NBA wings/guards next.

    Best athlete ever in the NFL?

    Ha! This vid always gives me chills. Most brutal combination of speed, strength, and application of angles and leverage. Natural 6’3, 240, never lifted (used to get fined for playing golf instead of lifting in the summer ; )

    LT be like:

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    @Wesquire said:

    @straightshot7 said:

    @Wesquire said:

    @straightshot7 said:

    @Wesquire said:

    @straightshot7 said:

    @mjen43 said:
    Koepka admitted himself he wasn’t good at baseball, which is why he turned to golf.

    DJ would have to play PG in the NBA because he is short for a basketball player (lol good luck with that).

    Nobody on tour could play any other sport professionally, or they would have. Golf doesn’t pay well enough for a real athlete to choose it over other major sports.

    Malarkey when you factor in endorsements and longevity.

    A top golfer has higher earning potential than any top football, basketball, baseball, hockey player because their career can last 40 years and they are prime endorsers.

    LeBron's career earnings + endorsements are like $2 billion

    You mean 40 years from now?

    They aren't even close to that right now....

    But obviously I'm talking about the average top player, not #1 from each sport. Though Tiger is more than all of them if you want to go there.

    They are absolutely that right now. The actual numbers on a lot of his endorsements are not public, but his lifetime Nike endorsement alone was leaked to be $1 billion. That plus his salaries puts him at nearly 2 billion. Lifetime he will probably be in the $2.5 to $3 billion range.

    Source? And you think they pay out the lifetime value of a contract up front?

    You said "LeBron's career earnings + endorsements are like $2 billion" as if he's already collected that

    Still, admittedly, LeBron makes a ton. I know that.

    My point was the earning potential in golf is high because of the longevity and endorsement potential, and a lack of money is not why athletes choose not to be golfers.

    I didn't say it was paid up front, but it is already locked in. I believe they will be paying it until he is in his 60s.

    What do you think Jack and Arnies residual incomes are? Didn't Arnie own a piece of IMG?


     



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    Good thing Phil stayed with golf.

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    @cardoustie said:
    It is strange that the announcers as of late want to drone on and on about the top golfers being incredible athletes, it comes across as quite bromance-ish
    .... because a guy actually has ok biceps?

    I still haven't gotten over Rich Lerner referring to Jordan Spieth as "The young American prince" a couple of years ago.

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    edited Aug 8, 2019 4:26am #173

    @cdnglf said:

    @Dave230 said:

    @Wesquire said:

    @straightshot7 said:

    @mjen43 said:
    Koepka admitted himself he wasn’t good at baseball, which is why he turned to golf.

    DJ would have to play PG in the NBA because he is short for a basketball player (lol good luck with that).

    Nobody on tour could play any other sport professionally, or they would have. Golf doesn’t pay well enough for a real athlete to choose it over other major sports.

    Malarkey when you factor in endorsements and longevity.

    A top golfer has higher earning potential than any top football, basketball, baseball, hockey player because their career can last 40 years and they are prime endorsers.

    LeBron's career earnings + endorsements are like $2 billion

    LeBron is a once in a generation transcendent athlete, the only person worth comparing to him is Tiger, who I imagine has/had comparable wealth. Let's not pretend that golf is not incredibly well paid at the top level.

    And I'd rather be a Charles Howell knocking out 2 or 3m a year under very little scrutiny to a starter at a top sport team and the pressure that brings. Howell can also keep going until he's 50 and then continue making good money on a Champions Tour where other sports have players done not long after 30.

    Charles Howell is 19th on the pga tour career money list with $38m in official money. Incredibly well-paid? Sure. As well paid as guys in the big four North American leagues? Not even close.

    19th on the career MLB earnings list is Ryan Howard, at $180M. 19th on the NBA list is Luol Deng, at $156M. NFL, Trent Williams, $95M. NHL, Patrice Bergeron, $84M. The difference is vast, and nowhere near offset by endorsements, longer careers, or the relative chump change of the Champions Tour.

    Also, the team sports have more and better-paying management, coaching, and broadcasting jobs for ex-players. I mean... there are probably more NFL “analysts” alone than there are Champions Tour cards.

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  • grm24grm24 Western PAMembers Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @cdnglf said:
    Connie Mack was the most Athletic ever.

    Well done. I'm sure most don't get your post.

  • GolfjackGolfjack All about the rotation Members Posts: 1,170 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Wesquire said:

    @Golfjack said:
    Come on guys, not even all pro athletes are equal. NBA guys are the most athletic. Then NFL (those 300 pound guys are fast as lightning, for like 10 seconds each). Soccer (Futbol) guys who can run forever. Then we have the crazy hand eye guys in Baseball and Tennis. Golf attracts talent somewhere below or between that. Sports like Tennis and Golf require so much money and nurturing you don't get everyone top athletically to pursue. Badminton and table tennis has gotta be below that. Cricket I don't know much about. Bottom is probably like Bowling and Snooker in terms of athletic ability.
    But we've all see NBA or NFL pro's try to hit a golf ball. The guys who play a lot are not even close to pro level. It's not like you drop MJ in golf he'd beat Tiger. That's not how it works. So you can say athletically golf is at a deficit but not skill level. But no these guys can't go pro or even D1 most top colleges. Like others have said, there's more money. It's also cooler to play basketball or football. Though if they get it right, would be possible to find the next level Tiger. Would be a bigger taller stronger Tiger.

    I've played against a couple NBA and D1 basketball players (not competitively, but they came to the gym I play in). They are not even in the same universe athletically as an NFL running back I played with in high school. RB, WR, and CB in the NFL are probably the most athletic group in all of sports. NBA wings/guards next.

    I don't know how a NBA player isn't as athletic as a high school running back. And not in the same universe. Literally men vs boys. But sure. Basketball also takes a lot more varied skills. Football is very specialized. Different athletes are good at each sport. That said it's debatable and can't really be settled anyway. But it's clear that those two are the top most athletic sports and also attract the best athletes due to money. Baseball is a lot of money too, but I'm not a fan :#

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    https://examinedexistence.com/which-sport-requires-the-most-athleticism/ ... legit surprised fencing is on there while golf is not ...

  • WesquireWesquire Members Posts: 796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Golfjack said:

    @Wesquire said:

    @Golfjack said:
    Come on guys, not even all pro athletes are equal. NBA guys are the most athletic. Then NFL (those 300 pound guys are fast as lightning, for like 10 seconds each). Soccer (Futbol) guys who can run forever. Then we have the crazy hand eye guys in Baseball and Tennis. Golf attracts talent somewhere below or between that. Sports like Tennis and Golf require so much money and nurturing you don't get everyone top athletically to pursue. Badminton and table tennis has gotta be below that. Cricket I don't know much about. Bottom is probably like Bowling and Snooker in terms of athletic ability.
    But we've all see NBA or NFL pro's try to hit a golf ball. The guys who play a lot are not even close to pro level. It's not like you drop MJ in golf he'd beat Tiger. That's not how it works. So you can say athletically golf is at a deficit but not skill level. But no these guys can't go pro or even D1 most top colleges. Like others have said, there's more money. It's also cooler to play basketball or football. Though if they get it right, would be possible to find the next level Tiger. Would be a bigger taller stronger Tiger.

    I've played against a couple NBA and D1 basketball players (not competitively, but they came to the gym I play in). They are not even in the same universe athletically as an NFL running back I played with in high school. RB, WR, and CB in the NFL are probably the most athletic group in all of sports. NBA wings/guards next.

    I don't know how a NBA player isn't as athletic as a high school running back. And not in the same universe. Literally men vs boys. But sure. Basketball also takes a lot more varied skills. Football is very specialized. Different athletes are good at each sport. That said it's debatable and can't really be settled anyway. But it's clear that those two are the top most athletic sports and also attract the best athletes due to money. Baseball is a lot of money too, but I'm not a fan :#

    That running back ran a 4.4 as a high school sophomore and had a 35+ inch vertical

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  • WesquireWesquire Members Posts: 796 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tiderider said:
    https://examinedexistence.com/which-sport-requires-the-most-athleticism/ ... legit surprised fencing is on there while golf is not ...

    Rugby being below baseball and soccer is ridiculous.

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  • tideridertiderider Members Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    don't know about soccer but would agree with baseball ... baseball's a bit unique ... takes quite a bit of skill to simply hit a baseball, then there's hitting for avg and hitting homers and running bases ... in addition to quickness for fielding and arm strength ... high level of skill, but almost no cardio ability required, relative to anything above it in the rankings, and overall strength requirement is low ...

    disclaimer: i don't mean to offend baseball players ... great game, but horribly run by mlb ...

  • CasualLieCasualLie Do Woodchucks Chuck Wood? Members Posts: 1,431 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Rory a LB?!?!? Same guy who ruptured an ankle playing “ with friends in the backyard?
    I don’t think any of the elite golfers could make it as the kicker on a D3 football team.

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    John Daly totally JoneScott'd Beerfest. At least that's the rumor.

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