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Black Boron RE-finish for Irons

 LionGolfer ·  
LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
Joined:  edited Aug 3, 2019 in WRX Club Techs #1

I'm thinking of refinishing a current set of saton chrome irons with a Black or Black Boron finish.
Any suggestions of a reliable shop to send them to? How much and how long please?
Also, are these finishes durable?
Thanks.

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    Anyone used these guys before?

    https://www.tigernickgolf.com

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    Any suggestions?

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  • autronicdsmautronicdsm Members  820WRX Points: 112Handicap: 999Posts: 820 Golden Tee
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    TSG? He had some Taylormade irons refinished a while ago that looked stunning.
    I've sent two putters for soft black finish that came out good, except they didn't do any grinding/buffing. Putters were pretty old but in decent shape and only sand blasted to remove rust. I think it cost me about 90-100 bucks per head with shipping. Not sure if irons would be cheaper.

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    Thanks but not a fan of tsg.

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  • MysteryVMysteryV Members  605WRX Points: 178Posts: 605 Golden Tee
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    I believe Black Boron is the coating Miura uses, however I'm not sure if that's what's on my black 1008s. If it is, it's essentially black oxide and wears very quickly. I came into it knowing that, however I know many don't love black coatings that wear and rust quickly and easily. I'm personally a fan, though the mark on the toe of my 8 iron infuriates me to this day.

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    Thanks for chiming in Mystery. Yes, black ox will wear. I'll be going with Satin Black Chrome. TigerNick replied. Will post before and after pics.

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    Well, here are the before pics.


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  • titleist26titleist26 Members  332WRX Points: 79Posts: 332 Greens
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    black nitride would be the best finish for durability

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    On -, @titleist26 said:

    black nitride would be the best finish for durability

    Even compared to black chrome?

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  • titleist26titleist26 Members  332WRX Points: 79Posts: 332 Greens
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    yes I would say so. Nitride is the most durable black finish

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  • nfmotonfmoto Members  250WRX Points: 97Posts: 250 Greens
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    Black DLC is going to be your best bet. More durable than nitride.

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    On -, @nfmoto said:

    Black DLC is going to be your best bet. More durable than nitride.

    Can you share who provides DLC (Not pvd) and cost pls.

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    On -, @LionGolfer said:

    Thanks for chiming in Mystery. Yes, black ox will wear. I'll be going with Satin Black Chrome. TigerNick replied. Will post before and after pics.

    I have purchased clubs from Nick before and he is great to deal with.
    Looking forward to seeing your refinished clubs.

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    On -, @P.E. said:

    On -, @LionGolfer said:

    Thanks for chiming in Mystery. Yes, black ox will wear. I'll be going with Satin Black Chrome. TigerNick replied. Will post before and after pics.

    I have purchased clubs from Nick before and he is great to deal with.
    Looking forward to seeing your refinished clubs.

    That's great to know. Thanks for chiming in.

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    On -, @LionGolfer said:

    On -, @nfmoto said:

    Black DLC is going to be your best bet. More durable than nitride.

    Can you share who provides DLC (Not pvd) and cost pls.

    Golf garage. Check out their Instagram and FB.

    [email protected]

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @nfmoto said:

    On -, @LionGolfer said:

    On -, @nfmoto said:

    Black DLC is going to be your best bet. More durable than nitride.

    Can you share who provides DLC (Not pvd) and cost pls.

    Golf garage. Check out their Instagram and FB.

    [email protected]

    Thanks. Have emailed Kyle.

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  • ebkebk Old and Broken Down Members  1221WRX Points: 97Posts: 1,221 Platinum Tees
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    TigerNick did some great refinishing for mr. Black chrome. But I’m intrigued by DLC on irons - I have it on some other implements and it is great. I wonder if soft feeling irons feel less soft with DLC?

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    I'm waiting on Kyle to email back on time and cost. I've also asked if his is indeed a PVD as opposed to DLC. There are some similarities in the process from what I read.

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  • P.E.P.E. Members  148WRX Points: 84Posts: 148 Fairways
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    Have you considered how to deal with the head weight change if you strip the chrome and go with nitride/pvd?

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @P.E. said:

    Have you considered how to deal with the head weight change if you strip the chrome and go with nitride/pvd?

    hmmm.. i did not consider that. How much weight loss in SW terms will this bring? Thanks for the headsup.

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    On -, @LionGolfer said:

    On -, @P.E. said:

    Have you considered how to deal with the head weight change if you strip the chrome and go with nitride/pvd?

    hmmm.. i did not consider that. How much weight loss in SW terms will this bring? Thanks for the headsup.

    I am not an expert in chrome plating but I recall someone telling me that when completely stripping a chrome head there is a loss of 7 to 9 grams.
    With 2 gr club head weight = 1 swing weight point that would be large swing weight change.
    Tip weights and/or hosel weights may be the easiest way to restore the SW that you are playing if you refinish the heads in a non chrome.
    I would definitely check with your potential refinishers before starting.

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    https://www.golfironsuk.co.uk/cerakote-ceramic
    No idea if its durable though mate.

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    On -, @ebk said:

    TigerNick did some great refinishing for mr. Black chrome. But I’m intrigued by DLC on irons - I have it on some other implements and it is great. I wonder if soft feeling irons feel less soft with DLC?

    Can you post a pic of your black chrome?

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  • ChristopherMcDonaldChristopherMcDonald Members  2478WRX Points: 146Posts: 2,478 Platinum Tees
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    I can tell you for certain Cerakote will change the feel

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  • LionGolferLionGolfer Members  1472WRX Points: 159Posts: 1,472 Platinum Tees
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    I'm also not a fan of cerakote finish looks wise.

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    On -, @autronicdsm said:

    On -, @ebk said:

    TigerNick did some great refinishing for mr. Black chrome. But I’m intrigued by DLC on irons - I have it on some other implements and it is great. I wonder if soft feeling irons feel less soft with DLC?

    Can you post a pic of your black chrome?

    Here you go...

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    Looks great EBK. Sonartec?

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    Those looks good. I think I might pick this option over TSG soft black when I'm ready to refinish some blades.

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    On -, @LionGolfer said:

    Looks great EBK. Sonartec?

    Thanks. Yes, Sonartec. Love ‘em.

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    On -, @P.E. said:

    On -, @LionGolfer said:

    On -, @P.E. said:

    Have you considered how to deal with the head weight change if you strip the chrome and go with nitride/pvd?

    hmmm.. i did not consider that. How much weight loss in SW terms will this bring? Thanks for the headsup.

    I am not an expert in chrome plating but I recall someone telling me that when completely stripping a chrome head there is a loss of 7 to 9 grams.
    With 2 gr club head weight = 1 swing weight point that would be large swing weight change.
    Tip weights and/or hosel weights may be the easiest way to restore the SW that you are playing if you refinish the heads in a non chrome.
    I would definitely check with your potential refinishers before starting.

    I have a fair bit of experience stripping chrome as I refinish lots of sets as a hobby. I can say that chrome and nickel loss at most is 5g - some heads lose less.

    Additionally nitride is the right choice for black or if someone can do black chrome well that would depend on the finish type i.e. high polish vs bead blast etc. As that contributes to how easily it scratches - just look at the P790 Black edition or GAPR high polish doesn't hold up well regardless of coating.

    Good luck with it

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