used iron set that is NOT Low Spin, High Launch?

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Any recommendations on a used 1-2 years old that is NOT low spin, high launch, Max distance? I like Callaway Pre-owned, and Ping and Mizuno. I wish I could determine what is is or is not a low spin/high launch/max distance set. By they way, I'm a high handicapper and rarely break 100. Yes I've had plenty of lessons from all different instructors - no more lessons. I just dont have golf DNA. I've been playing with PING I3+ and time for a change regardless.
Thanks,
Paul

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  • mogc60mogc60 Members  1018WRX Points: 492Posts: 1,018 Platinum Tees
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    Are you looking for a forgiving set? More of a players club profile. Do you like a particular head shape or offset? Max distance is going to be “mostly” on the irons with hot faces...multi material irons and hotter lofts. Typically a players cavity back model with be a mid flight and good distance but more consistent with less hot shots.

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  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members  4933WRX Points: 784Posts: 4,933 Titanium Tees
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    Generally, the blades and player cavity backs are not low spin, high launch. Ping i200 might be what you want. But there are lots of irons in that category.

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  • pm4610pm4610 Members  368WRX Points: 64Posts: 368 Greens
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    I can't break 100. So I'm definitely not in the players club category at all. Offset doesn't me. Wide chunky/clunky soles do annoy me. I 'm willing to sacrifice MAX forgiveness to get something without very wide soles, definitely forgiving. I like the look of player's clubs but really can't play them. I looked at the Callaway Fusion which seemed good for me, but they are hard to find in excellent condition. I thought about the Epic Irons, until I found out they are low spin/high launch. The Ping i200, maybe but it doesn't seem much different than i3+ irons I have now.

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  • pm4610pm4610 Members  368WRX Points: 64Posts: 368 Greens
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    by they way thanks, for the replies/assistance!

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  • mogc60mogc60 Members  1018WRX Points: 492Posts: 1,018 Platinum Tees
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    Srixon 565/85 is a nice compromise. Wilson C300 could be a great fit too

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    CALLAWAY EPIC FLASH SZ 9 EV BLACK 75 6.5 44 1/4”
    CALLAWAY EPIC FLASH SZ 15 MATRIX HD9 STRONG 41.5”
    WILSON FG5 TOUR 17* RIP PHENOM 100 S
    SRIXON Z FORGED 3-PW CATALYST 100 6.5
    CLEVELAND RTX4 50* CATALYST 100 6.0
    CLEVELAND RTX4 54* CATALYST 100 6.0
    CLEVELAND RTX4 58* MODUS 120X
    SEEMORE mFGP20 PLATINUM 38”
    SNELL MTB-X

  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members  4933WRX Points: 784Posts: 4,933 Titanium Tees
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    Check out the Callaway X Hot or X2 Hot irons. Might be what you're looking for.

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  • phatchrisrulesphatchrisrules Southern Ontario, CanadaUnregistered  2130WRX Points: 394Handicap: 6.5Posts: 2,130 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @pm4610 said:

    I can't break 100. So I'm definitely not in the players club category at all. Offset doesn't me. Wide chunky/clunky soles do annoy me. I 'm willing to sacrifice MAX forgiveness to get something without very wide soles, definitely forgiving. I like the look of player's clubs but really can't play them. I looked at the Callaway Fusion which seemed good for me, but they are hard to find in excellent condition. I thought about the Epic Irons, until I found out they are low spin/high launch. The Ping i200, maybe but it doesn't seem much different than i3+ irons I have now.

    Mizuno MPH4/H5, Titleist AP1, Taylormade M2/M4, Wilson C300 Forged, Srixon 545/65/85, Ping GMax (probably the best SGI of all time), Callaway XR. Don't worry about "low spin/high launch". Clubs can be bent to whatever spec needed so you could easily play a set of Mizuno 900 Hot Metal or Callaway Big Bertha or Cobra King Oversize. If you shoot ~100, a wide soled, cup face, high launching iron is going to be your friend more often than not compared to a smaller soled, mid launching CB with little forgiveness when you need it most. Don't get dragged into the "play a hard to hit club as you'll be better later" sentiment. Should you play the same irons as Shane Lowry who just won the Open as someone suggested with the Srixon 785? Absolutely-freaking-not.

    Play what your handicap needs and work out the swing kinks with them. If you absolutely must play something small with some offset help then I guess you're looking at New Level 1031, Mizuno Hot Metal Pro, Taylormade M3/M5, Ping i20/i25/iE1/i200/i210, and Callaway Steelhead Pro. However, these really aren't aimed at your handicap level and I would strongly suggest something easier to hit.

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    Do you think you are hitting the ball to high/ballooning? You didn't say what you are hitting for a ball, but if it's a high spin ball maybe try using one thats lower spin before you change irons to fix a problem. Then if the ball makes a big change, you will have more irons to look at.

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  • nuttinbutapeanutnuttinbutapeanut Members  198WRX Points: 94Handicap: 7Posts: 198 Fairways
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    On -, @pm4610 said:

    Any recommendations on a used 1-2 years old that is NOT low spin, high launch, Max distance?
    Thanks,
    Paul

    May have to back more than 1-2 years unless you can play blades.....?

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  • pm4610pm4610 Members  368WRX Points: 64Posts: 368 Greens
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    can not play blades. right, maybe 3-4 years?

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  • mwink822mwink822 Members  2699WRX Points: 157Posts: 2,699 Titanium Tees
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    Ping i210 really sound like the ticket, however, you may be able to get along well enough with Mizuno JPX 900 or 919 Forged or the Mizuno JPX 919 Hot Metal Pro. Barring any of those, Titleist AP1 or AP3 may be worth a look as well.

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    On -, @phatchrisrules However, these really aren't aimed at your handicap level and I would strongly suggest something easier to hit.

    i believe my misses are my misses and ain't no club gonna save me from those. I have really good shots and then really bad shots. Cant' string the good shots together, but I can string the bad shots together just fine :-( I just can't bare to look at those super game improvement clubs chunky and clunky. I can't handle blades so some sort of compromise...even basic game improve would be okay. and of course I want graphite shafts.
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    On -, @jplroper Do you think you are hitting the ball to high/ballooning? You didn't say what you are hitting for a ball, but if it's a high spin ball maybe try using one thats lower spin before you change irons to fix a problem. Then if the ball makes a big change, you will have more irons to look at.

    I play a spinner ball than I probably should. but I like spin, it gives my ball a high "traj", but what you suggested is worth a try.
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  • LaznastyLaznasty The Amazing Golf Ball Whacker Guy Valparaiso, IndianaMembers  817WRX Points: 254Posts: 817 Golden Tee
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    Taylormade p750's.
    Mizuno 919 hot metal pro.
    Callaway x-forged or apex pro.
    ping i210 or i500
    Titleist AP2

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    On -, @pm4610 said:

    On -, @jplroper Do you think you are hitting the ball to high/ballooning? You didn't say what you are hitting for a ball, but if it's a high spin ball maybe try using one thats lower spin before you change irons to fix a problem. Then if the ball makes a big change, you will have more irons to look at.

    I play a spinner ball than I probably should. but I like spin, it gives my ball a high "traj", but what you suggested is worth a try.
     I'm a bit confused, your looking for high spin and low launch? Then you say you are playing a ball that is relatively high spin? Personally I would go with an easy to hit iron, choose the amount of offset you want and sole thickness get an appropriate shaft and play a "cheap" golf ball that was lower spin. When a Pinnacle goes swimming its not as big a loss as a ProV1. 
    
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    Bridgestone J38/40 DPC

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  • RJ_MJ_JJRJ_MJ_JJ Members  117WRX Points: 97Handicap: between my earsPosts: 117 Fairways
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    On -, @Laznasty said:

    Taylormade p750's.
    Mizuno 919 hot metal pro.
    Callaway x-forged or apex pro.
    ping i210 or i500
    Titleist AP2

    I tried the i500s a few months ago. They ballooned and went nuclear (flew an extra 15-20 yards for seemingly no reason) a few times.The i210s are a little lower launch and more consistent on distance, IMO. AP2s are also a great option.

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  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2588WRX Points: 1,635Handicap: 5Posts: 2,588 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @RJ_MJ_JJ said:

    On -, @Laznasty said:

    Taylormade p750's.
    Mizuno 919 hot metal pro.
    Callaway x-forged or apex pro.
    ping i210 or i500
    Titleist AP2

    I tried the i500s a few months ago. They ballooned and went nuclear (flew an extra 15-20 yards for seemingly no reason) a few times.The i210s are a little lower launch and more consistent on distance, IMO. AP2s are also a great option.

    This one is kind of a conundrum. If the guy can't break 100 I don't see AP2 doing anything good for him. My rec would be Ping G400. They go high and still spin a bit. My friend plays them and can hold greens no issue. Feel pretty good and the sole is cut away at the back so it has the mass to get the ball up but doesn't play silly wide.

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  • JDMRN81JDMRN81 PAMembers  617WRX Points: 144Handicap: 12.7Posts: 617 Golden Tee
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    Maltby DBM's are what you're looking for. Very forgiving in a nice, slimer package. I'm a mid handicapper and I've played dozens of irons (from blades to SGI) over the past 3 years. I originally build a set of DBM's this winter as backups but I keep going back to them. Extremely underrated irons!

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  • pm4610pm4610 Members  368WRX Points: 64Posts: 368 Greens
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    On -, @RJ_MJ_JJ conundrum, agreed. I just want a simple club with graphite shafts. No **** HOT, Scorchers, etc. Ping G400's still hold their value and are expensive for not being the current model. I once had a set Ping Raptures...when flushed 15-20 extra distance and when not flushed, way short. I have to have a club that can easily hold a green. Also, I don't play on the lushest of courses. I'm in Illinois and mostly hard greens, depends.
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  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members  2305WRX Points: 539Posts: 2,305 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @pm4610 said:

    Any recommendations on a used 1-2 years old that is NOT low spin, high launch, Max distance?...
    I've been playing with PING I3+ and time for a change regardless.

    Not sure what you're looking for...

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    On -, @RJ_MJ_JJ conundrum, agreed. I just want a simple club with graphite shafts. No **** HOT, Scorchers, etc. Ping G400's still hold their value and are expensive for not being the current model. ... I have to have a club that can easily hold a green. Also, I don't play on the lushest of courses. ...

    Now I have a better idea. Your current irons, the Ping I3+ chart out in the Maltby grid as Game Improvement - not as friendly as the SGI Ping Eye2, but moderately helpful to golfer.

    You want a club that will help you hold the greens. But, you evidently have trouble with your swing... "no golf DNA" as you said. The proper SGI club will help you hold the green - within reason. A strike at midball isn't going to land and bite.

    Two things can help with stopping, descent and ball: the angle of descent - some high launch, low spin shafts such as NS Pro 8950 got a lot of their stop from coming down at a steep angle. Next is the ball: If you have a distance ball, you generate little backspin.

    Main point: clubfitting is all about trade-offs. If you want to create spin on the ball, you need some centerish hits and a ball that's not a rock. And, have you been fitted for clubs? If the answer is no, you may have a bag of sticks that is totally out of whack with your natural swing tendencies.

    As for iron model, check out BD's idea:

    On -, @balls_deep said:

    This one is kind of a conundrum. If the guy can't break 100 I don't see AP2 doing anything good for him. My rec would be Ping G400. They go high and still spin a bit. My friend plays them and can hold greens no issue.

    In summary, get a fitting and get back to us with data info.

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    to all...fair enough! I learned quite a bit. Thanks!!

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    +1 on the Maltbys. I just put a set of the PTM chrome forged heads on some KBS c-taper 120's that were given to me and they really play. Very forgiving with minimal offset and that great forged feel and look like players irons. You could buy one and give it a try. The heads are only $33 brand new and have a universal hosel. Put it together with your favorite shaft or have Golfworks do it for you with an inexpensive grip. Less than $60/per club. Cheers!

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  • pm4610pm4610 Members  368WRX Points: 64Posts: 368 Greens
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    Here's what happened, a friend recommended the Big Bertha Fusion irons. I found a better than average set on eBay for $189 so I took the chance. They are truly awesome! I didn't think clubs would make this much of a difference. They have graphite shafts which I didn't realize would be that much of difference, but they are. I'm in the honeymoon period, so we shall see. I haven't hit the course yet, so not sure if my score will lower but it sure is sweet hitting them on the range. I've come to the realization that the Ping i3+'s I had were really difficult to hit for me anyway. Huge difference for me.

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    Would second titleist AP1s or AP2s. Both are on the moderate spin side and are definitely not meant for the crazy distance some other irons go for. AP1s might make the most sense, though if you want a set you could grow into you could go for a combo set with long irons in the AP1 and short in the AP2.

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