How to improve short game technique without access to quality in-person instruction

gentlesgentles Members Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

Looking for some advice about really making some improvements in my chipping and pitching. Currently feel that it is the worst part of my game, and I really struggle reproducing quality contact, even in practice, which makes me think it is a technique issue. I currently feel like I rely heavily on hand-eye coordination (e.g. "winging it") and decent putting to make up and downs. For a decent golfer (~6 handicap) I leave myself a lot of 10 footers for par which wears you out!

A few other things about my current short game:

  • miss tends to predominantly thin, and to the right, with the occasional smothered pull . This is the exact same pattern I struggle with on my full swing
  • struggle out of rough, especially when ball is sitting down
  • don't put much spin on shots, very rare to feel like I made perfect contact

I don't have access to a quality instructor who specialises in short game, which is part of the reason this part of my game has deteriorated.** My goal is to learn one basic technique for pitch shots that I can then expand and build on**...in my opinion having a single motion that can create a consistent repeatable ball flight is more useful than having a toolbox full of different shots I can't execute consistently.

**I want to hear from anyone who managed to make significant improvements in short game without having good quality in-person instruction. ** I'm currently thinking that online course + video will be the easiest path, but I don't want to spend money unless i have heard other success stories...here is my thinking.

  • Online lessons - not sure how well they work given how important lie and shot determine the optimal shot - would welcome any recommendations for instructors
  • Online courses e.g. new GG website, coursekings, montes videos etc (would also welcome recommendations here)
  • more time practicing and self discovery + taking videos and comparing to pros (last part seems like a bad idea)

Thanks!

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  • ddettsddetts Roy McAvoy Sioux Falls, SDClubWRX Posts: 1,700 ClubWRX

    I benefited quite a bit from @MonteScheinblum Use the Bounce 2.0. Really helped my bunker play, pitching technique and lots of cool specialty shots.


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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members Posts: 4,188 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Go to a practice green with your bucket of range balls. Pick out several landing spot on the green and try to land close to the spot as you could from various distance and using different clubs. Observe the landing / rolling out . Basically, you need to hit thousands of gold balls to figure out which club to use for what types of shot. Practice enough before you'll have confidence in executing the shots.
    We love to practice driver at the driving range, but I seldom observe golfers spending hours chipping and pitching.

  • Exactice808Exactice808 Just want to hit ball far and go find it... Members Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I personally feel that I have improved my short game without a quality instruction. But we are on GolfWRX so flame suite activated.

    Only had a flop shot 50 yards and in, everything is 60* and one of this full wrist ****'s and steep AoA and divot. Now I can play a varities of shots and more so very confident 50 yards and in. (Confidence in my own means) does not mean Im stoning flags to 3ft circles, BUT I dont have doubt in my ability or hesitations. I personally think hesitation is likely the biggest killer in a touch shot around the green.

    OK So what did I do.

    1) Indoor pitching net. you know those cheap little pop up nets. and a hitting mat.
    2) The intent was to try different soft 5ft chips, understanding the low point, understanding the affects of forward shaft lean. ball placement and how that affected the leading edge and the low point on a chip.
    3) After the above happened, I found that my hands and wrist were culprits, once you introduce, forward shaft lean or once you move the placement of the ball front of stance, middle back etc. If you add hands to the swing it requires a lot of timing. When this clicked I realized if and when to apply certain positions and shaft lean worked better for specific shots then other shots. I would eliminate a LOT of wrist and hand movements and chip almost like a putt.
    3) The indoor chipping then moved out doors to the yard, I would get a Lowes/Home Depot bucket, in my yard about 10 yards away, First was bucket straight up, the idea now was just using the loft to pop the ball in the bucket. all touch but understanding that I didnt have to use my hands or force the ball to go vertical but use the LOFT, that is why we got ,50,54,56,58,60* wedges. Once this set in, I turned the bucket on its side, so the hole was facing me and tried to deloft and hit lower shots into the bucket with my 54,56,58,60 realizing how to deloft without digging, you dont have to come in "steep and take a divot" to get the ball on a lower trajectory.
    4) The biggest benefit personally that worked because I was fortunate, I waited till a golf course closed (course was about 5 minute drive from my house)..... pro shop closed but still sunlight available. took a little bag of balls (about 10) with my 56 & 60* and chipped on the real course. At a real green. carry distance no more than 50 yards max. The intent was to increase my "experience" reality is..... cant beat it..... if I have 10,000 chips ...compared to a sunday player that has 1,000 the likely hood is I will hopefully be a little better due to sheer experience?

    The above experience is to road my I took to get to my short game abilities that I feel very comfortable with. You need to hit the shots, but no one wants to go to a driving range an buy a bucket of balls to hit at the 50 yard marker..... But they surely will hit to the 150 and driver all driving range session.

    Understanding how to use the loft of the club and take away alot of needless wrist and hand action help for me. GL op!

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  • rickeydidiorickeydidio Members Posts: 46 ✭✭

    Go watch as many of the James Ridyard videos and Instagram clips that you can. He works with Frankie Molinari and it’s a really simple looking motion.

  • i*windowsi*windows Members Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    watch James Ridyard videos, or buy his series, currently has a 10% discount.

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    You got a basement with carpet and a "short" box from Amazon? Practice chipping/pitching into the box, different distances, different trajectories. Not super-helpful with your 30-60 yard shots, but definitely something you can practice for around the green.

  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers Posts: 7,378 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 6, 2019 3:01pm #8

    @ddetts said:
    I benefited quite a bit from @MonteScheinblum Use the Bounce 2.0. Really helped my bunker play, pitching technique and lots of cool specialty shots.

    Yep. Add in his Efficient swing take away drills and you will be in really good shape. I just hit 10 foot chips indoors to get the motion down and find the low point. Gradually just increase the back swing length and/or club as the shot gets longer. I was struggling with it for some time so finally was able to get in for a lesson. Chipping was addressed in 5 balls, bunker play was fixed in 3 or 4 balls. Issue was just tempo ( I was going way too fast). The 10 foot chips while still picking up the club and turning really help with that.

    @wkuo3 said:
    Go to a practice green with your bucket of range balls. Pick out several landing spot on the green and try to land close to the spot as you could from various distance and using different clubs. Observe the landing / rolling out . Basically, you need to hit thousands of gold balls to figure out which club to use for what types of shot. Practice enough before you'll have confidence in executing the shots.
    We love to practice driver at the driving range, but I seldom observe golfers spending hours chipping and pitching.

    If you have a reliable technique (ie the one mentioned above) it doesn't take 1000s of balls to figure out each shot. The motion is slower and less complex so you can see dramatic improvement relatively quickly if you apply it correctly. If you are going to throw a ball to a person 5, 10, 15, 20 feet away, do you need to make that throw 1000s of times to get the distance right?

  • 596596 Lakeland, FLMembers Posts: 3,684 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I'll agree with the indoor chipping net. I had my right hip replaced 4 weeks ago and it's all I've been doing. 5 to 10 foot chips into a small net. Over the last 3 weeks my chipping has improved 10 fold. It's no longer a thought process, it's become quite natural and easy. I can now hit chips in a few different ways without thinking.

  • danattherockdanattherock Members Posts: 3,552 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Lots of great videos on YouTube. Phil Mickelson's entire secret of the short game 2 DVD set in on there. Among many others, Seve's got a few full length videos. Lee Trevino was among a few guys in a best chipping lesson ever sort of 22 minute video. All kinds of free content available.

  • McgeenoMcgeeno Members Posts: 2,069 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    "If you really want to do something you will find a way. If you don't you will find an excuse"
    Youtube videos, indoor chipping nets, online lessons, driving further for instruction if possible.
    There are plenty of ways for you to get this done.

  • andrueandrue Members Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 9, 2019 8:58am #12

    I improved mine immensely by going to a local course that has a three hole, par 3 course they call 'The Academy'. I go there and typically spend an hour or two chipping onto the greens (all of which are elevated as are most at that course) and doing some putting. It's also a good way to practice approach shots since even the longest of the holes is only about 170 yards.

    Before I started this earlier in the year the best I could say was that I usually got my ball onto the green somewhere if I was within thirty yards. I'm now at the point where I nearly always get onto the green with any chip and often stop the ball within one putt range. My goal by the end of summer is to 'often' get the ball into the hole. One of the biggest changes I made - at a friend's suggestion - is to use a proper follow-through if the ball needs to be flown. With a bump and run (which I use if on or very close to the fringe) it's more like a long putting stroke. But from several yards off the fringe I feel more like I'm carrying the ball toward the pin in my follow through. It produces a higher flight and softer landing.

    But my general technique: Address the ball with my feet open to the target line, chest parallel to target line. Put most weight on lead food. Initial ball position is on a line drawn through my trail foot. Do a couple of practice swings ensuring wrists are fixed and noting where the club head is 'scraping' the ground. If it's not in front of the ball (ie closer to the target) adjust ball position or possibly the swing until it is. While doing these strokes also think about where the hole is, this will help confirm length and type of stroke required. Also check club face as there's a tendency with this setup for it to become closed on the down swing - you want it to be facing your target line at impact. Take the stroke.

    But don't obsess about technique. That's what I did on previous attempts to get good at chipping and it just didn't work. Without doubt the key to chipping is practice, practice, practice. And if in doubt practice some more :)

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    edited Aug 9, 2019 1:56pm #13

    Brad Faxon's Golf Channel Academy episode is very good. Lots of theory, technique, and slo-mo replays. He does a very good job of telling you why he does what he does.

    Also check out Paul Runyan on Youtube. Just listening to his voice puts you in the right frame of mind.

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  • JDCONJDCON PrincetonMembers Posts: 306 ✭✭✭✭

    @ddetts said:
    I benefited quite a bit from @MonteScheinblum Use the Bounce 2.0. Really helped my bunker play, pitching technique and lots of cool specialty shots.

    Do you think @MonteScheinblum 's video series compliment's his online lesson's well? I recently bought an online lesson, now I want to buy a package, but I'm also interested in his series of videos. I just love the confidence with which Monte teaches and his matter of fact approach. It's very real and feels genuine.

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    @danattherock said:
    Lots of great videos on YouTube. Phil Mickelson's entire secret of the short game 2 DVD set in on there. Among many others, Seve's got a few full length videos. Lee Trevino was among a few guys in a best chipping lesson ever sort of 22 minute video. All kinds of free content available.

    No question, tonnes of top notch material.

  • Ping's DuckPing's Duck Members Posts: 184 ✭✭✭

    @gentles said:
    Looking for some advice about really making some improvements in my chipping and pitching. Currently feel that it is the worst part of my game, and I really struggle reproducing quality contact, even in practice, which makes me think it is a technique issue. I currently feel like I rely heavily on hand-eye coordination (e.g. "winging it") and decent putting to make up and downs. For a decent golfer (~6 handicap) I leave myself a lot of 10 footers for par which wears you out!

    A few other things about my current short game:

    • miss tends to predominantly thin, and to the right, with the occasional smothered pull . This is the exact same pattern I struggle with on my full swing
    • struggle out of rough, especially when ball is sitting down
    • don't put much spin on shots, very rare to feel like I made perfect contact

    I don't have access to a quality instructor who specialises in short game, which is part of the reason this part of my game has deteriorated.** My goal is to learn one basic technique for pitch shots that I can then expand and build on**...in my opinion having a single motion that can create a consistent repeatable ball flight is more useful than having a toolbox full of different shots I can't execute consistently.

    **I want to hear from anyone who managed to make significant improvements in short game without having good quality in-person instruction. ** I'm currently thinking that online course + video will be the easiest path, but I don't want to spend money unless i have heard other success stories...here is my thinking.

    • Online lessons - not sure how well they work given how important lie and shot determine the optimal shot - would welcome any recommendations for instructors
    • Online courses e.g. new GG website, coursekings, montes videos etc (would also welcome recommendations here)
    • more time practicing and self discovery + taking videos and comparing to pros (last part seems like a bad idea)

    Thanks!

    Don't necessarily need on-line for this. If you have a good size yard, school yard, etc. many of the basics can be sorted out there all by yourself, trust your own feedback, after watching some of the great content available on YT.
    Practice, practice, practice. So many ways to flight it, chop it, bump it, throw it, flop it, scoot it to its final resting position, but it's easiest overall taking hands out and putting legs in to lead the discovery parade. Practice, practice, practice until it becomes fun finding several ways to the same destination.

  • Nard_SNard_S Members Posts: 3,440 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Learned a lot by watching Tiger and Spieth chipping and pitching, there use of shoulder rotation is markedly different from what most ams do. Getting trail to target, being more connected with shoulders to hands is key thing that revamped my touch shots.

  • jbw749jbw749 Members Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @gentles said:
    Looking for some advice about really making some improvements in my chipping and pitching. Currently feel that it is the worst part of my game, and I really struggle reproducing quality contact, even in practice, which makes me think it is a technique issue. I currently feel like I rely heavily on hand-eye coordination (e.g. "winging it") and decent putting to make up and downs. For a decent golfer (~6 handicap) I leave myself a lot of 10 footers for par which wears you out!

    A few other things about my current short game:

    • miss tends to predominantly thin, and to the right, with the occasional smothered pull . This is the exact same pattern I struggle with on my full swing
    • struggle out of rough, especially when ball is sitting down
    • don't put much spin on shots, very rare to feel like I made perfect contact

    I don't have access to a quality instructor who specialises in short game, which is part of the reason this part of my game has deteriorated.** My goal is to learn one basic technique for pitch shots that I can then expand and build on**...in my opinion having a single motion that can create a consistent repeatable ball flight is more useful than having a toolbox full of different shots I can't execute consistently.

    **I want to hear from anyone who managed to make significant improvements in short game without having good quality in-person instruction. ** I'm currently thinking that online course + video will be the easiest path, but I don't want to spend money unless i have heard other success stories...here is my thinking.

    • Online lessons - not sure how well they work given how important lie and shot determine the optimal shot - would welcome any recommendations for instructors
    • Online courses e.g. new GG website, coursekings, montes videos etc (would also welcome recommendations here)
    • more time practicing and self discovery + taking videos and comparing to pros (last part seems like a bad idea)

    Thanks!

    Use your putting routine for your chipping and pitching. Focus on the landing spot in your mind just as you would the bottom of the cup while putting. Don't give the swing any mechanical thoughts just like you would putting.
    Google Paul Runyan's technique and get familiar with what clubs produce carry vs roll.
    Use only 1 or 2 balls and practice most of your time pitching from 5 to 30 yards especially out of the rough, for example short sided in the rough 5 yards from the pin happens all the time, 20 yards from the rough on a par 5 happens all the time. When you have a flat green with a good lie chip with a P wedge or 9 iron and land it roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of the way there.
    When pitching with a 58 or 60 land it roughly 3/4 of the way there.
    Spend 80% of your practice time on short game.
    Go sink all the putts and try to get up and down even with the poor chips/pitches surprisingly you will make a lot of 7 to 12 footers and get used to draining them.

  • ddettsddetts Roy McAvoy Sioux Falls, SDClubWRX Posts: 1,700 ClubWRX

    @JDCON said:

    @ddetts said:
    I benefited quite a bit from @MonteScheinblum Use the Bounce 2.0. Really helped my bunker play, pitching technique and lots of cool specialty shots.

    Do you think @MonteScheinblum 's video series compliment's his online lesson's well? I recently bought an online lesson, now I want to buy a package, but I'm also interested in his series of videos. I just love the confidence with which Monte teaches and his matter of fact approach. It's very real and feels genuine.

    I think the videos are great. I would say how much it compliments an online lesson is going to depend on the individual, their level of play and what Monte has that person working on. Use The Bounce 2.0 isn't geared toward mistakes and how to correct but rather Monte's philosophy on short game, technique and a lot of cool specialty shots.


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  • cdfscdfs Members Posts: 9 ✭✭

    Have Phil Mickelsons book and DVDs, watched several different YouTube tutorials and tried everything I stumbled upon. Important thing is, stick to whatever you try for some weeks, even if it gets worse. If you have the feeling that with one technique it sometimes works out very good, but you can't get any consistency into it, it could be worth trying the next one. Finally for me Stan Utleys "The Art of the Short Game"-Book was the best investment, his described technique works best for me and I can keep it quite consistent, feels to me quite as natural as throwing a ball. The only inconsistens part for is, when being off from playing for some weeks, I lack distance control. This is established after some practice again and solid contact is always there from the start.

  • DShepleyDShepley Members Posts: 56 ✭✭

    Practice, practice, practice, you don't need 100 different shots to have a good short game but just a few you can trust. Learn a reliable shot that you can play in the air and a reliable shot that you can play on the ground and don't vary between clubs much. By that I mean, learn to play different trajectories and carry differences by moving the ball around in your stance, opening and closing the face, and taking shorter or longer swings with the same basic technique. I agree with above posts about finding some instruction that teaches you to use the bounce of the club, there is more margin for error with a wide swing bottom. Get comfortable letting the clubhead pass your hands.

  • JAMH03JAMH03 Members Posts: 956 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @gentles said:
    Looking for some advice about really making some improvements in my chipping and pitching. Currently feel that it is the worst part of my game, and I really struggle reproducing quality contact, even in practice, which makes me think it is a technique issue. I currently feel like I rely heavily on hand-eye coordination (e.g. "winging it") and decent putting to make up and downs. For a decent golfer (~6 handicap) I leave myself a lot of 10 footers for par which wears you out!

    A few other things about my current short game:

    • miss tends to predominantly thin, and to the right, with the occasional smothered pull . This is the exact same pattern I struggle with on my full swing
    • struggle out of rough, especially when ball is sitting down
    • don't put much spin on shots, very rare to feel like I made perfect contact

    I don't have access to a quality instructor who specialises in short game, which is part of the reason this part of my game has deteriorated.** My goal is to learn one basic technique for pitch shots that I can then expand and build on**...in my opinion having a single motion that can create a consistent repeatable ball flight is more useful than having a toolbox full of different shots I can't execute consistently.

    **I want to hear from anyone who managed to make significant improvements in short game without having good quality in-person instruction. ** I'm currently thinking that online course + video will be the easiest path, but I don't want to spend money unless i have heard other success stories...here is my thinking.

    • Online lessons - not sure how well they work given how important lie and shot determine the optimal shot - would welcome any recommendations for instructors
    • Online courses e.g. new GG website, coursekings, montes videos etc (would also welcome recommendations here)
    • more time practicing and self discovery + taking videos and comparing to pros (last part seems like a bad idea)

    Thanks!

    What's your short game going to be like when you get this done? IE what outcomes are you looking for?


     



  • GolfTurkeyGolfTurkey Members Posts: 592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    My vote would be for purchasing Dan Carraher's short game series. I have pretty much negative golf talent and since I have committed to using his short game technique I can't remember duffing a shot.

  • gentlesgentles Members Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Lots of great responses so far. thanks to all who have commented.

    My focus for now is understanding the (of which there are many) correct technique for hitting short game shots - I think the two most important factors to success are ability to make desired contact (i.e. face, launch, spin), and then adjust speed so that the ball ends up where you want it to. Without making consistent contact its almost impossible to reliably control flight and distance.

    I found this pyramid from a James Ridyard video which I think is useful - I want to try and get a firm grasp of the "basic" part of the pyramid before adding in the other elements.

    I've poked around youtube at some of Dan's and James Ridyard's stuff and it makes the most sense to me, so i'm going to start there.

    I spent a good few hours at the practice green yesterday testing out these concepts and I noticed a dramatic improvement in strike quality, albeit most of my practice was fairway.

    Question for all - how do you adjust your technique for different lies? Just by feel or do you have a few adjustments for different types of lies (i.e. sitting up, nestled down, grass lying against, wet rough et

    Does anyone take online lessons specifically for wedge game? How has that worked?

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  • andrueandrue Members Posts: 1,272 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 12, 2019 8:43pm #25

    For different lies I mostly don't really know what I do. I just do a few practice swings until I sweep the ground the way that feels right. It doesn't feel like I make much of an adjustment other than for slope.

    But there is one lie that I really struggle with - short sided against the grain. I had one of those on Sunday and as I was playing alone on a quiet course I spent fifteen minutes trying to get it right. A yard off the fringe, four yards to the pin and grass that if upright would've come half way up the ball but that was actually bent against my downswing.

    Sad to say that was 15 minutes wasted as the best I managed was stopping the ball a yard past the pin. The rest were anything up to a couple of yards before or after the pin to say nothing of a couple that just flew in the wrong direction :-/

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    Dan's paid video series on his website goes into adjustments for uphill and downhill lies, rough etc. He has some free videos on YouTube that covers some of it. I have had an online chipping lesson and it helped.

  • wagsgtwagsgt Members Posts: 612 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I have seen Dans stuff and can recommend it. Never seen Ridyard actual video but seen a lot YouTube and listened to him talk seems similar to Dans. But I can’t say 100%

  • malarijmmalarijm Cleveland, OHMembers Posts: 21 ✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2019 7:31pm #28

    At least once a week I will take 3 balls and a wedge (either 56 or 60) to the chipping area. I'll pick a lie and get creative with the first two balls without thinking about technique, but rather just an athletic motion and experimenting to get the ball to do what I want it to do. Then the last ball I will play the way I would on the course if I were using that club.

    Example:
    1st ball: use trajectory to stop the ball (high shot)
    2nd ball: use spin to stop the ball (think low checker)
    3rd ball: low spin chunk and run using the bounce
    Pick a new spot and repeat

    You get a feel for how far you should carry the ball and how to predict the spin or lack of spin out of various lies when choosing your landing point. I will still play the 8 iron bump and run all the time on the course, but this allowed me to practice with some purpose and learn how the ball reacts on the green after different shots.

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  • chrisf60526chrisf60526 Members Posts: 162 ✭✭✭

    Glad i found this thread as my inconsistent short game is costing me serious strokes. As a 16-17 HDCP, the amount of bladed/skulled chips and pitches starts to add up quite quick. I bought Monte's Use the Bounce 2.0 last week and its really good. The issue with using the bounce IMO, is that initially its feels very odd as your natural tendency is to to not pull the trail shoulder through. In fact, after practicing it last week for 2 hours, my first playing round was shaky. I missed a par 3 left and had alot of green to work with and skulled it. A par/bogey turned into a triple.

    If you go this route, you gotta practice it as it feels weird but the ball does come out soft and consistent.

  • MelloYelloMelloYello Upstate, SCMembers Posts: 3,521 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 14, 2019 12:42pm #30

    All the explanations in the world aren't going to give you the skill to grab a wedge and hit a shot which is what you want.

    If you're a 6 handicap you've already heard all the stuff people are going say. I highly doubt you're going to unlock the secret on YouTube. The best thing to watch are good players whose motions demonstrate a bit of grace and touch. Your job is to experiment around until it clicks in with you, too.

    Watch some videos if you must but this is pretty basic stuff that you're body is going to have to figure out as you experiment around. If you don't have the talent to chip and pitch you need to find it and that isn't by adopting some methodology. Phil starts his DVD explaining that there are a million ways to putt but that it isn't the case with the short game. Every player who is decent has figured out the proper way to move the club. There's essentially one way to do it.

    Personally, it blows my mind that people find chipping & pitching hard because it's literally about the simplest thing in golf. I think the fact so many struggle shows just how bad most people are with their hands and how many terrible compensations people have with their bigger swings. You can fake being a good driver with some stupidly-strong grip but you can't fake understanding how to chip or pitch properly.

    I'm a 7 handicap and my wedge-play is the best part of my game. All I can tell you is that one day for me it clicked. I realized how to chip and once I could do that without fear of burying the leading edge I was off and running. So for me it was all about learning how to use the bounce and then improvements in being able to vary how much I'm using the bounce allowed me to adjust for how I wanted to hit a shot.

    Chips, pitches, lobs, flops...whatever...it's all the same when it clicks and all you do is make little adjustments which are pretty common sense.

    Also, it's important that you experiment around to find it because all that experimenting is ultimately going to become your "feel." That's the information, the knowledge and the experience you'll use to understand what'll happen when you do X, Y or Z. Feel and touch is not something God-given that you're trying to unlock. I don't think any good player would tell you that. Feel and touch is a thing you develop because you've done something a thousand ways and you understand exactly how much you can push the envelop in a certain direction before making a mistake.

    Driver: TaylorMade M3 (10.5) w. Tensei Pro Orange
    Fairway: Titleist 915 F (18) w. Diamana Blueboard
    Hybrid: Tour Edge Exotics E8 (19)
    Irons: Titleist 716 CB (4-Pw)
    Wedges: Vokey SM6 52-F / 56-F / 60-S
    Putter: Scotty Cameron Newport 2 Select
  • gentlesgentles Members Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @MelloYello said:
    All the explanations in the world aren't going to give you the skill to grab a wedge and hit a shot which is what you want.

    If you're a 6 handicap you've already heard all the stuff people are going say. I highly doubt you're going to unlock the secret on YouTube. The best thing to watch are good players whose motions demonstrate a bit of grace and touch. Your job is to experiment around until it clicks in with you, too.

    Watch some videos if you must but this is pretty basic stuff that you're body is going to have to figure out as you experiment around. If you don't have the talent to chip and pitch you need to find it and that isn't by adopting some methodology. Phil starts his DVD explaining that there are a million ways to putt but that it isn't the case with the short game. Every player who is decent has figured out the proper way to move the club. There's essentially one way to do it.

    Personally, it blows my mind that people find chipping & pitching hard because it's literally about the simplest thing in golf. I think the fact so many struggle shows just how bad most people are with their hands and how many terrible compensations people have with their bigger swings. You can fake being a good driver with some stupidly-strong grip but you can't fake understanding how to chip or pitch properly.

    I'm a 7 handicap and my wedge-play is the best part of my game. All I can tell you is that one day for me it clicked. I realized how to chip and once I could do that without fear of burying the leading edge I was off and running. So for me it was all about learning how to use the bounce and then improvements in being able to vary how much I'm using the bounce allowed me to adjust for how I wanted to hit a shot.

    Chips, pitches, lobs, flops...whatever...it's all the same when it clicks and all you do is make little adjustments which are pretty common sense.

    Also, it's important that you experiment around to find it because all that experimenting is ultimately going to become your "feel." That's the information, the knowledge and the experience you'll use to understand what'll happen when you do X, Y or Z. Feel and touch is not something God-given that you're trying to unlock. I don't think any good player would tell you that. Feel and touch is a thing you develop because you've done something a thousand ways and you understand exactly how much you can push the envelop in a certain direction before making a mistake.

    Good post. I agree that there is value in experimenting to find the technique that works. My challenge now is to find something and stick with it 100% and put in the practice time. I work with an instructor on full swing so i'm working on the same things all the time reaps benefits over time. My short game isn't terrible by any stretch, and I can get away with flaws in technique with good hands and conservative shot selection...I want to build a motion that doesn't rely on deft hand-eye but instead on creating a big margin for error.

    I do disagree that you can fake being a good driver of the ball though! 7 iron sure but not a driver if my recent performances are anything to go by

    Taylormade 2016 M2 10.5 Aldila Tour Blue 75x
    Taylormade 2016 M2 DF 3hl Aldila Tour Blue 85x
    Callaway Apex 20* Aldila Tour Blue 85x
    Taylormade RSI UDI 4i DG AMT x100
    Taylormade P770 5-P DG AMT x100
    Ping Glide 51,55, 59 DG S400
    Ping Anser Milled 5

    On the bench/testing: G400 LST, Callaway 3deep, Cobra LTD 3-4, Callaway Apex 23*, UDI 2 and 3 irons, Ping Glide 53, PM Grind 64

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