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  • tobiasjdtobiasjd Members  500WRX Points: 89Posts: 500 Golden Tee
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    Well his final round tied his best putting performance on tour, gaining 5 strokes on the field. :o

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    Explains his good finish this week. Explains why he was No. 1 for a time too. The excellence of his wedge & putter game masked the mediocrity of the rest. His temperament is not of help imo, he's too intense, works when he's 25% from 25 feet but back fires when things are a sputter. I like him, really don't think much of his swing though. His short game is world class, so he'll win again but doubt he's the dominant force he once was.

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    Spieth will win next week if he puts this in his bag.

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    We live in wrx world. We have NFI about world class golf. Spieth may have his struggles at present but he’s playing better.

    He’s the 31st best golfer in the world. Just ponder that for a second to see if you think he’s got the full swing yips.

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  • juliette91juliette91 Members  1558WRX Points: 170Posts: 1,558 Platinum Tees
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    I started this thing and had no idea people felt so strongly about it—mostly opposed to my speculation. All I can say is that sheer numbers of people for or against some idea doesn’t make their opinions right. Heard a talking head on tv say that if it were left to the public we’d still be hanging people.

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    On -, @juliette91 said:

    I started this thing and had no idea people felt so strongly about it—mostly opposed to my speculation. All I can say is that sheer numbers of people for or against some idea doesn’t make their opinions right. Heard a talking head on tv say that if it were left to the public we’d still be hanging people.

    No, it doesn't. I would always go with an experts view over the man in the street. Perhaps you could expand on what your qualifications are vis a vis professional golf and the technical aspects of the modern golf swing?

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    On -, @juliette91 said:

    I started this thing and had no idea people felt so strongly about it—mostly opposed to my speculation. All I can say is that sheer numbers of people for or against some idea doesn’t make their opinions right. Heard a talking head on tv say that if it were left to the public we’d still be hanging people.

    responding on an internet forum does not necessarily a strongly felt opinion make ... it's an internet forum ... operative word there is "forum" ...

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    your opinion isn't that important ... no one's is ... have a fab tuesday ...

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    As I like to say, just because you agree with me doesn't mean you are smart and just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you are stupid. And that goes both ways.

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    On -, @North Texas said:

    As I like to say, just because you agree with me doesn't mean you are smart and just because you disagree with me doesn't mean you are stupid. And that goes both ways.

    Amen.

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    On -, @Shilgy said:

    On -, @Nard_S said:

    Explains his good finish this week. Explains why he was No. 1 for a time too. The **excellence of his wedge & putter game masked the mediocrity of the rest. **His temperament is not of help imo, he's too intense, works when he's 25% from 25 feet but back fires when things are a sputter. I like him, really don't think much of his swing though. His short game is world class, so he'll win again but doubt he's the dominant force he once was.

    Except we know that was not true. He was very highly ranked tee to green.

    It's nothing stellar. There's plenty of players with less majors who were flat out better. With a wedge, from 125 out he's fantastic, around the green the same. He's deadly with that Vokey and putter. Not so much with those AP2's.

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    On -, @tiderider said:

    On -, @juliette91 said:

    I started this thing and had no idea people felt so strongly about it—mostly opposed to my speculation. All I can say is that sheer numbers of people for or against some idea doesn’t make their opinions right. Heard a talking head on tv say that if it were left to the public we’d still be hanging people.

    responding on an internet forum does not necessarily a strongly felt opinion make ... it's an internet forum ... operative word there is "forum" ...

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    aka as "shooting the breeze" ... To chat or converse aimlessly or casually, without any serious topic of conversation.

    your opinion isn't that important ... no one's is ... have a fab tuesday ...

    People seems to think that their opinion has more weight when everything on this board is speculation. When someone says "That's a fact" …..Take it with a grain salt....LOL!

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    On -, @juliette91 said:

    Hawkeye, appreciate your thoughtful response but agree with Titleist99 who said it far better than me. Many people comment on many subjects here and I'd say most of those comments don't have nearly the experienced backstory as I have with the full swing yips. So I'm not taking those back just because I don't fit the prerequisites you've described for credible commentary. I know what happens with the yips, I know shots generally go way offline to different zip codes but sometimes they're not quite that far offline and just look bad but not abominable. And it's not just my personal experience either. I was part of a yip study by the Mayo Clinic of Rochester NY on the subject and had a lot of follow up with the study authors and others who follow this dreaded golf infection. It often affects only better golfers and those who tend to think a lot vs. a DJohnson type who can act without too much thinking. I have more knowledge about this subject than I will talk about online but even if I was someone who hadn't had the yips at all, couldn't tell a yip from bad mechanics, I'd still be entitled to speak my mind on this forum. You'd be entitled to challenge if I knew what the H I was talking about. That's why it's a discussion board and not an edict.

    Yet you KNOW, you weren't speculating, which was the point, and then double down on it by suggesting disagreeing with you is disrespectful because you've had the issue.

    Of course discussion boards are for throwing out all sorts of stuff, everybody has opinions, Brandel still thinks Tiger had the chipping yips along with Haney, so just say "I had this issue, maybe Jordan does too"?

    Guess I was struck by the continued definiteness of it all and as I said, you may be proved right in the end.

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    Jordan Spieth is quickly becoming one of my favorite golfers. He never gives up on a hole and anything can happen on the tee. Jordan will be all over the lot and after the round is over he will sign a score card for a 67, amazing!

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    On -, @KRAMER1997 said:

    Spieth will win next week if he puts this in his bag.

    POW!!!!!!

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    Ha, don't count on me for advice on the golf swing #97, but you can count on me for knowing as much as any professional golfer about the yips. That's not exactly a stellar calling card but I wouldn't have initially posted anything if I didn't feel I had the experience to back that up. Hope JS never had them and if he did has kissed them bye bye.

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    On -, @KRAMER1997 said:

    Spieth will win next week if he puts this in his bag.

    What the heck did I just watch?

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    On -, @Nard_S said:

    Explains his good finish this week. Explains why he was No. 1 for a time too. The excellence of his wedge & putter game masked the mediocrity of the rest. His temperament is not of help imo, he's too intense, works when he's 25% from 25 feet but back fires when things are a sputter. I like him, really don't think much of his swing though. His short game is world class, so he'll win again but doubt he's the dominant force he once was.

    Bro, you must have missed something for a few years. He’s always been a little hot and cold from short range with the putter, but it was his stellar approach play that was winning him golf tournaments. His iron play was almost up to prime TW standards when he was playing his best. This article gives a quick snapshot of the change over the last few years.
    https://www.15thclub.com/2019/07/31/misconception-jordan-spieth/

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    On -, @juliette91 said:

    Ha, don't count on me for advice on the golf swing #97, but you can count on me for knowing as much as any professional golfer about the yips. That's not exactly a stellar calling card but I wouldn't have initially posted anything if I didn't feel I had the experience to back that up. Hope JS never had them and if he did has kissed them bye bye.

    Are you Ian Baker Finch?

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    https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/27162587/navigating-cluttered-mind-jordan-spieth

    From article:
    Despite his early success, Spieth was never considered one of golf's great ball strikers. During the 2015 season, he ranked 78th in driving distance (291.8 yards) and 80th in driving accuracy (62.9 percent of fairways hit). His greatest strengths were putting, chipping and his imagination around the green.

    Quote from Curtis Strange in same:
    "In my opinion, his stats from tee to green were never up to par with his record that he established early on," Strange said. "He was a great chipper and putter. I applaud him for trying to get better. But in the long run, you're trying to be a better ball striker. I hope he can accomplish that. He's certainly accomplished a lot with what he has."

    Sums it up well,

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    On -, @Cincy_Ken said:

    On -, @Nard_S said:

    https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/27162587/navigating-cluttered-mind-jordan-spieth

    From article:
    Despite his early success, Spieth was never considered one of golf's great ball strikers. During the 2015 season, he ranked 78th in driving distance (291.8 yards) and 80th in driving accuracy (62.9 percent of fairways hit). His greatest strengths were putting, chipping and his imagination around the green.

    Quote from Curtis Strange in same:
    "In my opinion, his stats from tee to green were never up to par with his record that he established early on," Strange said. "He was a great chipper and putter. I applaud him for trying to get better. But in the long run, you're trying to be a better ball striker. I hope he can accomplish that. He's certainly accomplished a lot with what he has."

    Sums it up well,

    That is a terribly uninformed take from Strange. Spieth was 4th in SG Tee to green 2015 and second in 2017. Even in a winless 2018 he was top 25 SG tee to green while his putting slipped outside the top 100. Around the green does count in that stat to Spieths benefit but in his magical year of 2015 he's top 15 in both off tee and approach. Hes second in approach in 2017. To say he wasn't an elite ball striker is just wrong.

    I'd agree. We can all quibble about what it means to be considered in "golf's great" but the article is hugely flawed just by the fact that it only listed driving related figures.

    Yes, maybe he ran in a few more putts at crucial times and that's helped his record. But you have to get the ball in play and on the green in the first place to have that chance. That's what he's not doing consistently enough now. Even when he's started with a couple of good rounds, one of them is usually held together with duct tape and twine (bomb putts, hole outs, crazy up and downs, etc) and it finally catches up to him when the full swing just puts him in too many bad spots.

    I don't even like the guy that much but to say he wasn't hitting it great is just dumb.

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    On -, @agolf1 said:

    On -, @Cincy_Ken said:

    On -, @Nard_S said:

    https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/27162587/navigating-cluttered-mind-jordan-spieth

    From article:
    Despite his early success, Spieth was never considered one of golf's great ball strikers. During the 2015 season, he ranked 78th in driving distance (291.8 yards) and 80th in driving accuracy (62.9 percent of fairways hit). His greatest strengths were putting, chipping and his imagination around the green.

    Quote from Curtis Strange in same:
    "In my opinion, his stats from tee to green were never up to par with his record that he established early on," Strange said. "He was a great chipper and putter. I applaud him for trying to get better. But in the long run, you're trying to be a better ball striker. I hope he can accomplish that. He's certainly accomplished a lot with what he has."

    Sums it up well,

    That is a terribly uninformed take from Strange. Spieth was 4th in SG Tee to green 2015 and second in 2017. Even in a winless 2018 he was top 25 SG tee to green while his putting slipped outside the top 100. Around the green does count in that stat to Spieths benefit but in his magical year of 2015 he's top 15 in both off tee and approach. Hes second in approach in 2017. To say he wasn't an elite ball striker is just wrong.

    I'd agree. We can all quibble about what it means to be considered in "golf's great" but the article is hugely flawed just by the fact that it only listed driving related figures.

    Yes, maybe he ran in a few more putts at crucial times and that's helped his record. But you have to get the ball in play and on the green in the first place to have that chance. That's what he's not doing consistently enough now. Even when he's started with a couple of good rounds, one of them is usually held together with duct tape and twine (bomb putts, hole outs, crazy up and downs, etc) and it finally catches up to him when the full swing just puts him in too many bad spots.

    I don't even like the guy that much but to say he wasn't hitting it great is just dumb.

    You're definitely right. A lot of Spieth's good rounds recently I've called smoke and mirror shows; he's had a ton of rounds recently where it struck it miserably and still made a score. I believe he'll figure out the ball striking sometime in the next year and will once again be a top 5 golfer. I don't think he ever gets to 2015 level but that's a year that's really only been surpased by Tiger and Ben Hogan.

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    You don't have to attend Julliard to appreciate good music. On the perch of where this guy is historically and which is quite good his ball striking is not what got him there. He's a scorer for sure. He is no Faldo nor Watson. He's not even as good as Norman or Price. Rose and Stenson are better. His strength is not tee to green., guess what DJ's is not around or on it. But he wins a lot. His 2019 stats validate my POV. He'll win again, might even rack up some more majors, but no one is pining to have his ball striking. They'll take his tenacity & grit and his short game. Again, I really like the guy, but he has an innate swing issue, it will be his achillea' s, his weakness for a long, long time.

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    On -, @Nard_S said:

    You don't have to attend Julliard to appreciate good music. On the perch of where this guy is historically and which is quite good his ball striking is not what got him there. He's a scorer for sure. He is no Faldo nor Watson. He's not even as good as Norman or Price. Rose and Stenson are better. His strength is not tee to green., guess what DJ's is not around or on it. But he wins a lot. His 2019 stats validate my POV. He'll win again, might even rack up some more majors, but no one is pining to have his ball striking. They'll take his tenacity & grit and his short game. Again, I really like the guy, but he has an innate swing issue, it will be his achillea' s, his weakness for a long, long time.

    If you want to go by his 2019 Stats go ahead. The 2019 stats say he's 44th in Fed Ex pointa and is nowhere close to the Presidents Cup team. If you want to look at when he made a name for himself he was slightly better Tee to green than putting in his career year of 2015, better putting in 2016, and far better tee to green than putting in 2017. His swing is obviously the issue this year but it's not like it's long been a weekness for him. Even in a winless 2018 he hit it more than good enough to win tournaments and had a bad putting year.

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    I started this discussion and while I think JS is less likely than likely to have the driving yips it is hard to account for his wild tee shots that led to the tour leading multiple strokes over par on holes. You can have swing flaws, mechanical hitches but they generally--at tour pro level--do not so consistently lead to way off tee shots sufficiently off to produce for tour level short game players league leading double and triple bogeys. That these high hole scores occur mostly on the weekend makes a case for something pressure oriented causing these big blips. Anyway, we'll likely never know.

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    On -, @juliette91 said:

    I started this discussion and while I think JS is less likely than likely to have the driving yips it is hard to account for his wild tee shots that led to the tour leading multiple strokes over par on holes. You can have swing flaws, mechanical hitches but they generally--at tour pro level--do not so consistently lead to way off tee shots sufficiently off to produce for tour level short game players league leading double and triple bogeys. That these high hole scores occur mostly on the weekend makes a case for something pressure oriented causing these big blips. Anyway, we'll likely never know.

    I agree - the weekend thing indicates a mental (pressure) component leading to high scores - especially in the past two years. It showed up during his last win at the Open and infamously at No. 12 at Augusta National. It will be fascinating to see if he can find a way to overcome it.

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    Looking at Spieth's full swing stats vs. 2015, it's hard not to think that his problem is with his swing. Maybe a coaching change is in order.

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    Dude needs a new swing coach for sure

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