Global Junior Golf Ranking

tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

I just noticed now some tournaments are sending results to Global Junior Golf Ranking. Does anyone know much about it?

https://www.juniorgolfranking.com

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  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Looks like a lot pga sectionals are using them now in addition to JGS

    In order for an individual to be ranked by Global Junior Golf Rankings™, they must compete in events that adhere to the following guidelines:

    Must be between the ages of 5-19 years old
    Must have competed in two or more one-day or multi-day stroke play tournaments with the following:
    Total of five players or more in each division
    Completed FOUR 18-hole rounds with a no-stroke-limit rule in place for the 5-19 division
    The event must be completed and the results submitted, within one week, including all matching player information (i.e., name, city, state, and country.)​

  • luderifficluderiffic Members Posts: 13 ✭✭

    5 year olds being ranked now?

  • leezer99leezer99 I swear I am quitting this site every day... Members Posts: 1,230 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @luderiffic said:
    5 year olds being ranked now?

    5 year olds aren't playing 18 hole rounds with no stroke limit. US Kids up until 10 I think are 9 holes with a 10 stroke limit.

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • wildcatdenwildcatden China Cat Sunflower Members Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @leezer99 said:

    @luderiffic said:
    5 year olds being ranked now?

    5 year olds aren't playing 18 hole rounds with no stroke limit. US Kids up until 10 I think are 9 holes with a 10 stroke limit.

    They will be soon if this Global Junior Golf Ranking thing takes off. Mothers are now putting Trackman and GCQuads on their Amazon baby shower gift registry.

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    @wildcatden said:

    @leezer99 said:

    @luderiffic said:
    5 year olds being ranked now?

    5 year olds aren't playing 18 hole rounds with no stroke limit. US Kids up until 10 I think are 9 holes with a 10 stroke limit.

    They will be soon if this Global Junior Golf Ranking thing takes off. Mothers are now putting Trackman and GCQuads on their Amazon baby shower gift registry.

    We have a place locally that has a pro from a private club that gives lessons who uses trackman. You can rent the indoor trackman bay for $60/hr and get all the numbers you want. Totally pointless to buy your own. We get a couple kids together and split the cost for the hour.

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 7, 2019 7:19pm #7

    Thread is going way off track. Most tournaments for younger kids have stroke limits so I believe they will not count. They have a lot tournament associations signed up

    https://www.juniorgolfranking.com/tournament_affiliates.asp

    It's interesting that they will count 1 day events. The bigger question is will this matter in a year or two.

    How the
    Rankings are Computed
    We use four criteria to compute a player's overall ranking and their ranking within their graduation class.

    Tournament Score (80%)
    After all of the tournament results are submitted, the rankings are calculated excluding the 20% of a players scoring differential. This 80% is the players score compared to the yardage and difficulty of the course. This is also the average difference of their individual round scores compared to their tournament rounds completed in the last one-year period.
    Head-to-Head (10%)
    The number displayed, is the result of a player playing against another competitor in the same GJGR tournament. This criteria counts for 10% of a player's ranking calculation.
    Top-Five Finish (5%)
    This criteria displays the finishes for a player. Top-Five Finishes counts 5% in the ranking computation, which means the more tournaments a competitor finishes in the top-five, he receives credit for the Finish.
    Weather (5%)
    The weather criteria* will be 5% of a player's ranking calculation and will be determined as follows:

  • propredicrpropredicr Members Posts: 290 ✭✭✭✭

    How many do you need in the field to post a top 5 finish? 10 players?

  • TripleBogeysrbetterTripleBogeysrbetter Members Posts: 140 ✭✭✭

    They have a list of tours they're associated with as well. They use weather as factor in their rankings. Which is something I wish JGS used. That 75 could have been an 82 if the weather was different.

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    @leezer99 said:

    @wildcatden said:

    @leezer99 said:

    @luderiffic said:
    5 year olds being ranked now?

    5 year olds aren't playing 18 hole rounds with no stroke limit. US Kids up until 10 I think are 9 holes with a 10 stroke limit.

    They will be soon if this Global Junior Golf Ranking thing takes off. Mothers are now putting Trackman and GCQuads on their Amazon baby shower gift registry.

    We have a place locally that has a pro from a private club that gives lessons who uses trackman. You can rent the indoor trackman bay for $60/hr and get all the numbers you want. Totally pointless to buy your own. We get a couple kids together and split the cost for the hour.

    Sorry, but I need my numbers at each tournament. :/

  • admorkadmork Orlando, FlMembers Posts: 75 ✭✭✭

    @tiger1873 said:
    Looks like a lot pga sectionals are using them now in addition to JGS

    In order for an individual to be ranked by Global Junior Golf Rankings™, they must compete in events that adhere to the following guidelines:

    Must be between the ages of 5-19 years old
    Must have competed in two or more one-day or multi-day stroke play tournaments with the following:
    Total of five players or more in each division
    Completed FOUR 18-hole rounds with a no-stroke-limit rule in place for the 5-19 division
    The event must be completed and the results submitted, within one week, including all matching player information (i.e., name, city, state, and country.)​

    I do not see the AJGA, the HJGT, IMG and the FCWT being affiliates. Does it mean those events would not count in this ranking?

  • TripleBogeysrbetterTripleBogeysrbetter Members Posts: 140 ✭✭✭

    @admork said:

    @tiger1873 said:
    Looks like a lot pga sectionals are using them now in addition to JGS

    In order for an individual to be ranked by Global Junior Golf Rankings™, they must compete in events that adhere to the following guidelines:

    Must be between the ages of 5-19 years old
    Must have competed in two or more one-day or multi-day stroke play tournaments with the following:
    Total of five players or more in each division
    Completed FOUR 18-hole rounds with a no-stroke-limit rule in place for the 5-19 division
    The event must be completed and the results submitted, within one week, including all matching player information (i.e., name, city, state, and country.)​

    I do not see the AJGA, the HJGT, IMG and the FCWT being affiliates. Does it mean those events would not count in this ranking?

    Thats correct.

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  • TripleBogeysrbetterTripleBogeysrbetter Members Posts: 140 ✭✭✭

    @kekoa said:

    @leezer99 said:

    @wildcatden said:

    @leezer99 said:

    @luderiffic said:
    5 year olds being ranked now?

    5 year olds aren't playing 18 hole rounds with no stroke limit. US Kids up until 10 I think are 9 holes with a 10 stroke limit.

    They will be soon if this Global Junior Golf Ranking thing takes off. Mothers are now putting Trackman and GCQuads on their Amazon baby shower gift registry.

    We have a place locally that has a pro from a private club that gives lessons who uses trackman. You can rent the indoor trackman bay for $60/hr and get all the numbers you want. Totally pointless to buy your own. We get a couple kids together and split the cost for the hour.

    Sorry, but I need my numbers at each tournament. :/

    Is it bad that I carried my GC2/HMT in the cart for each shot? :-)

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  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    It doesn’t rank the biggest events. Rankings are pointless if coaches don’t use them

  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @iteachgolf said:
    It doesn’t rank the biggest events. Rankings are pointless if coaches don’t use them

    I don’t think that matters at this point since there new. You have to give them a few years to be relevant. They do have a good start and seem to have a growing list. I noticed them because I seen a few tournaments now reporting to them. They have a lot pga sections and capturing 1 day tournaments so I expect them to capture more kids. If that is relevant or not I think it will take time to figure it out.

    The biggest issue I see is they charge to really see anything.

  • wildcatdenwildcatden China Cat Sunflower Members Posts: 951 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @tiger1873 said:

    @iteachgolf said:
    It doesn’t rank the biggest events. Rankings are pointless if coaches don’t use them

    The biggest issue I see is they charge to really see anything.

    That's the whole point.

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  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Their Rankings are meaningless. Very similar to this being meaningless.

    https://www.highschoolgolf.org/

  • TripleBogeysrbetterTripleBogeysrbetter Members Posts: 140 ✭✭✭

    @heavy_hitter said:
    Their Rankings are meaningless. Very similar to this being meaningless.

    https://www.highschoolgolf.org/

    I would be willing to bet GJGS competes with JGS in the near future.

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    @TripleBogeysrbetter said:

    @heavy_hitter said:
    Their Rankings are meaningless. Very similar to this being meaningless.

    https://www.highschoolgolf.org/

    I would be willing to bet GJGS competes with JGS in the near future.

    It could if they start capturing more events. Only thing I see with JGS only taking multi day events is that kids are getting ranked pretty high every year and only playing in 4 or 5 qualifying events.

    There's definitely something more important that I should be doing.

  • TripleBogeysrbetterTripleBogeysrbetter Members Posts: 140 ✭✭✭

    It could if they start capturing more events. Only thing I see with JGS only taking multi day events is that kids are getting ranked pretty high every year and only playing in 4 or 5 qualifying events.

    You still have to play well and against a good SOT field. Mistake we probably have made. Interested in ones closer to home.

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  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @TripleBogeysrbetter said:

    @heavy_hitter said:
    Their Rankings are meaningless. Very similar to this being meaningless.

    https://www.highschoolgolf.org/

    I would be willing to bet GJGS competes with JGS in the near future.

    I don't see it happening. There aren't good events and college coaches aren't looking there. The general public knows it. I don't like the idea of 1 day events being included in any ranking. When do the kids ever get a break? One day events are practice rounds for the big events. They are rounds where you are trying out new things. I see them fading. People aren't going to pay either.

  • tiger1873tiger1873 Members Posts: 1,156 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 9, 2019 1:25am #22

    @heavy_hitter said:

    @TripleBogeysrbetter said:

    @heavy_hitter said:
    Their Rankings are meaningless. Very similar to this being meaningless.

    https://www.highschoolgolf.org/

    I would be willing to bet GJGS competes with JGS in the near future.

    I don't see it happening. There aren't good events and college coaches aren't looking there. The general public knows it. I don't like the idea of 1 day events being included in any ranking. When do the kids ever get a break? One day events are practice rounds for the big events. They are rounds where you are trying out new things. I see them fading. People aren't going to pay either.

    The. Biggest issue is they need to be more open and at least make it easier to see actual rankings and score. The website is not user friendly enough and they need to give you more not less then JGS without having to pay $20. I should be able to click on any player and see what tournament a kid has played. If the database is large enough it is worth it since there are tournaments there that are not on JGS. For the instance It would be very interesting to see kids ranked when you include 1 day qualifiers.

    Time will tell though. I think it has potential especially for younger kids and the fact that a lot of pga sections are using it gives it some credibility.

  • TripleBogeysrbetterTripleBogeysrbetter Members Posts: 140 ✭✭✭
    edited Aug 9, 2019 2:21pm #23

    @tiger1873 said:

    @heavy_hitter said:

    @TripleBogeysrbetter said:

    @heavy_hitter said:
    Their Rankings are meaningless. Very similar to this being meaningless.

    https://www.highschoolgolf.org/

    I would be willing to bet GJGS competes with JGS in the near future.

    I don't see it happening. There aren't good events and college coaches aren't looking there. The general public knows it. I don't like the idea of 1 day events being included in any ranking. When do the kids ever get a break? One day events are practice rounds for the big events. They are rounds where you are trying out new things. I see them fading. People aren't going to pay either.

    The. Biggest issue is they need to be more open and at least make it easier to see actual rankings and score. The website is not user friendly enough and they need to give you more not less then JGS without having to pay $20. I should be able to click on any player and see what tournament a kid has played. If the database is large enough it is worth it since there are tournaments there that are not on JGS. For the instance It would be very interesting to see kids ranked when you include 1 day qualifiers.

    Time will tell though. I think it has potential especially for younger kids and the fact that a lot of pga sections are using it gives it some credibility.

    I actually found them easier to search. I'm not trying to sound pro-GJGS.
    Also, I don't think 1 day events are always practice rounds. If you have AJGA Q. that would be nice if they were ranked. PGA Junior championship qualifiers something.

    JGS is 36 holes or nothing.

    BTW - JGS is 29.95 for rankings and GJGS is 19.95. Like I said Im not pro or anti anyone. Son is ranked on both.

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  • heavy_hitterheavy_hitter Members Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @TripleBogeysrbetter said:

    @tiger1873 said:

    @heavy_hitter said:

    @TripleBogeysrbetter said:

    @heavy_hitter said:
    Their Rankings are meaningless. Very similar to this being meaningless.

    https://www.highschoolgolf.org/

    I would be willing to bet GJGS competes with JGS in the near future.

    I don't see it happening. There aren't good events and college coaches aren't looking there. The general public knows it. I don't like the idea of 1 day events being included in any ranking. When do the kids ever get a break? One day events are practice rounds for the big events. They are rounds where you are trying out new things. I see them fading. People aren't going to pay either.

    The. Biggest issue is they need to be more open and at least make it easier to see actual rankings and score. The website is not user friendly enough and they need to give you more not less then JGS without having to pay $20. I should be able to click on any player and see what tournament a kid has played. If the database is large enough it is worth it since there are tournaments there that are not on JGS. For the instance It would be very interesting to see kids ranked when you include 1 day qualifiers.

    Time will tell though. I think it has potential especially for younger kids and the fact that a lot of pga sections are using it gives it some credibility.

    I actually found them easier to search. I'm not trying to sound pro-GJGS.
    Also, I don't think 1 day events are always practice rounds. If you have AJGA Q. that would be nice if they were ranked. PGA Junior championship qualifiers something.

    JGS is 36 holes or nothing.

    BTW - JGS is 29.95 for rankings and GJGS is 19.95. Like I said Im not pro or anti anyone. Son is ranked on both.

    I find it horrible to search the global.

  • wlmwlm Members Posts: 98 ✭✭✭

    It’s not comprehensive at all. Seems like it’s missing a large group of kids.

  • iteachgolfiteachgolf Members Posts: 16,932 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @wlm said:
    It’s not comprehensive at all. Seems like it’s missing a large group of kids.

    Missing 100% of my students when I looked

  • Pinewood GolferPinewood Golfer Members Posts: 146 ✭✭✭

    @tiger1873 said:

    @iteachgolf said:
    It doesn’t rank the biggest events. Rankings are pointless if coaches don’t use them

    I don’t think that matters at this point since there new. You have to give them a few years to be relevant. They do have a good start and seem to have a growing list. I noticed them because I seen a few tournaments now reporting to them. They have a lot pga sections and capturing 1 day tournaments so I expect them to capture more kids. If that is relevant or not I think it will take time to figure it out.

    The biggest issue I see is they charge to really see anything.

    They HAVE been around several years. They suck. They can’t calture enough events. It’s not hard at all to do. Honestly, for someone who knows what they’re doing, they can capture all results submitted to JGS since they’re publicly searchable, and plug those into their formula. But they don’t. Their rankings could not be worth less.

  • CTgolfCTgolf Members Posts: 472 ✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 10, 2019 2:05pm #28

    Many top players are not ranked at all.

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