Grips - More Taper?

A.PrinceyA.Princey Major HackerMembers Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
edited Aug 8, 2019 9:13am in WRX Club Techs #1

Wondering how many folks embrace taper in grips?? I'm beginning to think the trend of less taper, or extra wraps under the lower hand might be bad for me.

Does anyone build up the top hand and INCREASE the taper? I'm beginning to think the bigger butt end helps me stabilize the swing easier and smaller bottom portion is better for finger manipulation and feel. It almost feels like a strong low hand can manhandle the club even easier when the portion it's attached to is bigger.

'16 M2 10.5*, Diamana Ltd. 70 S+ 43.5"
Ping G SFT 16*, DIamana Ltd. 70 S+ 41.5"
Ping Rapture 3i, AWT-R
Ping G25 4-G, DG-R400
Vokey 56(57*), 60(63*) DG-R400
Byron DH89 Longneck 33" (or any of 10 4 other putters...)

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  • ValtielValtiel Konica-Minolta Bizhub Members Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I used to feel this way. I liked taper and I felt that building up the bottom hand had a negative impact for me. I've since changed my view on that though after stumbling into a particular grip build on a used club and now the feeling of standard taper feels unbalanced to me. I get what you're saying though, but the idea behind a built up lower hand is to reduce the amount of rotation during release. The bigger the grip diameter, the less influence your hand movements have, hence Bryson DeChambeau with his mega jumbo grips.

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  • RobotDoctorRobotDoctor Senior Hacker ClubWRX Posts: 4,687 ClubWRX

    I like a very slight taper on the grip. The grips I use are built that way so it's two wraps of tape and on they go.

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  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I’m just saying that a larger diameter seems to create more influence from that respective hand. Larger diameter on the low hand has me steering club more with that hand, if that makes sense

    '16 M2 10.5*, Diamana Ltd. 70 S+ 43.5"
    Ping G SFT 16*, DIamana Ltd. 70 S+ 41.5"
    Ping Rapture 3i, AWT-R
    Ping G25 4-G, DG-R400
    Vokey 56(57*), 60(63*) DG-R400
    Byron DH89 Longneck 33" (or any of 10 4 other putters...)
  • KevinnzKevinnz Members Posts: 273 ✭✭✭✭

    Lamkin z5 standard plus is a reduced taper grip, the lower portion is fairly fat. I love them.

  • SocratesSocrates How can it be so *&#% hard to make a shoulder turn? WinnipegClubWRX Posts: 9,467 ClubWRX

    I don't build up the grip (top hand), but I chose the MCC Align Midsize which has a nice taper and lets me have a relaxed grip that I know won't get away from from me. Top hand feels very secure. Don't like grips like the +4, at all.

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  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 14, 2019 3:11am #7

    Little update, but grip shape/taper definitely affects my release and ball flight. It literally changed everything I thought I knew about fitting. It's possibly a feel issue or a swing sensitivity, but the larger diameter on the butt end, with noticeable taper gradient towards the head, secures the club so much in my lead hand. Ball flight is higher and markedly straight, but distance seems slightly short of normal. Despite a slight distance drop off, the new flight has made gapping much better from the top end to the bottom, and the increase in accuracy is great. I'll continue to follow up with my long term results.

    '16 M2 10.5*, Diamana Ltd. 70 S+ 43.5"
    Ping G SFT 16*, DIamana Ltd. 70 S+ 41.5"
    Ping Rapture 3i, AWT-R
    Ping G25 4-G, DG-R400
    Vokey 56(57*), 60(63*) DG-R400
    Byron DH89 Longneck 33" (or any of 10 4 other putters...)
  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    This year I moved to less taper for two reasons:
    1. Don't need to build up low-hand area for wedges.
    2. Less taper means better grip pressure, especially with lower dominant hand.

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  • ValtielValtiel Konica-Minolta Bizhub Members Posts: 2,333 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @A.Princey said:
    Little update, but grip shape/taper definitely affects my release and ball flight. It literally changed everything I thought I knew about fitting. It's possibly a feel issue or a swing sensitivity, but the larger diameter on the butt end, with noticeable taper gradient towards the head, secures the club so much in my lead hand. Ball flight is higher and markedly straight, but distance seems slightly short of normal. Despite a slight distance drop off, the new flight has made gapping much better from the top end to the bottom, and the increase in accuracy is great. I'll continue to follow up with my long term results.

    It does indeed make a huge difference, I myself am experimenting with it at the moment. Its a great part about buying used clubs to try out on eBay/here; you get to try different grips will all sorts of different tape build ups that you might never try yourself. That was how I got off on to the path i'm on now,

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    Callaway XHot 3Deep Pro 14.5* Fujikura Motore VC 8.3 Tour Spec X || Nike SQ2 13* Diamana Blueboard 83x
    Nike Tour Issue SQ2 17* Diamana Blueboard 103x || SQ2 15* Diamana Blueboard 93x
    PING Anser 20* Aldila Rogue Black 110MSI 105h Tour-X || Taylormade V-Steel 21* Project X Rifle Satin 6.5
    Mizuno MP-H4 3i 21* Project X PXi 7.0
    Mizuno MP-H4 4i 24* Project X PXi 7.0
    Mizuno MP-59 4i-PW 24*- 48* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey Mild Raw 8620 54* Brunswick Precision Rifle FCM 7.0
    Vokey  SM6 58* Oil Can Low Bounce K-Grind Brunswick Precision FCM 7.3 SSx1
    Vokey Special 62* Black Oxide V-Grind Brunswick Precision FCM 7.3 SSx2
    Scotty Cameron Santa Fe Bullseye shaft

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  • A.PrinceyA.Princey Major Hacker Members Posts: 2,248 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 14, 2019 12:19pm #10

    I'd say grip fitting should almost be in its own realm of the fitting process.

    '16 M2 10.5*, Diamana Ltd. 70 S+ 43.5"
    Ping G SFT 16*, DIamana Ltd. 70 S+ 41.5"
    Ping Rapture 3i, AWT-R
    Ping G25 4-G, DG-R400
    Vokey 56(57*), 60(63*) DG-R400
    Byron DH89 Longneck 33" (or any of 10 4 other putters...)
  • Trying4BetterTrying4Better Members Posts: 130 ✭✭✭

    This made me think about baseball bats and their current trend. It seems many manufacturers are going to extreme amounts of taper, with very thick butt end and very narrow top hand. It seems a baseball players bat grip is just as important as a golf club grip.

    So maybe you are on to something here...

  • mogc60mogc60 Members Posts: 975 ✭✭✭✭✭

    If you want to get real extreme and feel what a difference the taper can make....
    Take a standard grip and cut the butt cap off and install it upside down. So the skinniest part of the grip is on the butt end of the shaft. It’s amazing how easy it is to release the club this way. In my opinion, the cap area of all grips is too thick relative to the lower hand. The grip size and taper plays a huge role in how the club feels overall.

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  • skralyskraly ClubWRX Posts: 1,563 ClubWRX

    @A.Princey said:
    Wondering how many folks embrace taper in grips?? I'm beginning to think the trend of less taper, or extra wraps under the lower hand might be bad for me.

    Does anyone build up the top hand and INCREASE the taper? I'm beginning to think the bigger butt end helps me stabilize the swing easier and smaller bottom portion is better for finger manipulation and feel. It almost feels like a strong low hand can manhandle the club even easier when the portion it's attached to is bigger.

    @A.Princey said:
    Wondering how many folks embrace taper in grips?? I'm beginning to think the trend of less taper, or extra wraps under the lower hand might be bad for me.

    Does anyone build up the top hand and INCREASE the taper? I'm beginning to think the bigger butt end helps me stabilize the swing easier and smaller bottom portion is better for finger manipulation and feel. It almost feels like a strong low hand can manhandle the club even easier when the portion it's attached to is bigger.

    Lamkin Z5’s seem to have quite a bit of taper and aren’t very pricy. You might give a couple of them a try.

  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 9,164 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @A.Princey said:
    I'd say grip fitting should almost be in its own realm of the fitting process.

    Its the FIRST of all parameters during fitting if we want to make it right, since Grip weight is part of both Total , and Balance, and the shape or taper is part of face angle timing, so it better be there from the start, and all the way to the end. Thats why i used compressed air for grips on all shafts for fitting, we used the grip the player wanted to play from the start, and if the player wanted to play a grip i did not have in stock, he would bring one to the fitting session.

    Im not sure, but New Decade has a vary sharp taper, more than most others ive seen, so maybe thats the grip for you? (you dont say what model you play)

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