106-115 MPH swing speed, can't hit driver more than 200 yds

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  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers Posts: 7,403 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @SNIPERBBB said:

    @Three_Jack said:

    @carrera said:
    Agree - get on a good monitor and post the results. Most folks don't have 9 mph range on their normal driver swing speeds....it is a big gap from 106-115 and that suggests that the measurements aren't reliable.

    Even @ 106, hitting ANYWHERE on the face will carry 200. I just plugged in an absolute HORRIBLE shot for 106 swing speed into the flightscope traj optimizer. 159 ballspeed, 20 degrees launch, 5000rpm spin, and it still carried 237.

    With 3000 rpms the same shot carries 256.

    I put in 5* horizontal spin, 160 ball speed, 35* launch, 4000 spin and got 207 carry. Not sure if it's possible to get those numbers with driver at 115 club speed

    35* launch would be square off the top line...not sure if you can get 160 ball speed hitting it there lol

  • Matadorb32Matadorb32 Members Posts: 63 ✭✭

    @DLev45 said:
    What irons are you playing, @Matadorb32 ?

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  • chigolfer1chigolfer1 Members Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @justasgood said:
    SS numbers inflated. Maybe 95 at best and 230 is about right with a 150yd 7 iron

    Yep, those are almost my numbers precisely give or take.

  • Matadorb32Matadorb32 Members Posts: 63 ✭✭

    Thanks everyone, for looking at my swing. I agree, I must have some inflated numbers. After looking at my video, I can see the over the top wipe contact. How do I fix that?

  • DLev45DLev45 Members Posts: 174 ✭✭✭
    edited Aug 12, 2019 6:50pm #36

    @Matadorb32 said:

    @DLev45 said:
    What irons are you playing, @Matadorb32 ?

    Mizuno JPX 900 forged, .25" short

    Well that pretty much cements it.

    That's a 24 degree 5-iron you're hitting 175-180, a 31 degree 7-iron that's carry 150-160, and a 45 degree PW that you hit 115-120. You just don't swing as fast as you think you do. Those distances with those lofts put you somewhere between 93-100. And an open-face, OTT pull-slice with the driver is only going to go 200 in that speed range. See this chart.

  • cvhookem63cvhookem63 Fujikura Ventus Experience ETXClubWRX Posts: 4,776 ClubWRX

    I'd say the swing plays a part in it - out to in with the face open will definitely get you that pull fade and will lose some distance. You might try lofting down your driver/putting a lower spinning shaft in it for a quick "fix". It is hard to tell from the video, but I would say the driver swing speed is closer to 95-100 mph with those iron yardages. You might try working on taking it away more to the inside - maybe practicing with some exaggerated in-to-out swings to start. It looks like you were at least thinking about that with the pre-swing motion on the 2nd swing.

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  • Matadorb32Matadorb32 Members Posts: 63 ✭✭
    edited Aug 12, 2019 6:51pm #38

    @cvhookem63 said:
    I'd say the swing plays a part in it - out to in with the face open will definitely get you that pull fade and will lose some distance. You might try lofting down your driver/putting a lower spinning shaft in it for a quick "fix". It is hard to tell from the video, but I would say the driver swing speed is closer to 95-100 mph with those iron yardages. You might try working on taking it away more to the inside - maybe practicing with some exaggerated in-to-out swings to start. It looks like you were at least thinking about that with the pre-swing motion on the 2nd swing.

    Thanks, yeah I am "feeling" in-to-out in my swing but clearly on the video you can see me coming pretty far the opposite way. I guess I'm leaving the face open too so I don't have a crazy pull and wiping across the ball for contact. I need to figure out how to do that but I always feel my shoulders flinging up pre-impact which may be causing that.

    I am already at the lowest loft that driver offers, 9 degrees.

  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers Posts: 7,403 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Matadorb32 said:
    Thanks everyone, for looking at my swing. I agree, I must have some inflated numbers. After looking at my video, I can see the over the top wipe contact. How do I fix that?

    Quite a few things going on. Your initial pump/rehearsal seems off, seems like you are intentionally sucking the club way inside, but that might actually work against you on the way down. Back swing is way too long as well.

  • Matadorb32Matadorb32 Members Posts: 63 ✭✭

    @Krt22 said:

    @Matadorb32 said:
    Thanks everyone, for looking at my swing. I agree, I must have some inflated numbers. After looking at my video, I can see the over the top wipe contact. How do I fix that?

    Quite a few things going on. Your initial pump/rehearsal seems off, seems like you are intentionally sucking the club way inside, but that might actually work against you on the way down. Back swing is way too long as well.

    I just went out in the back yard to practice a few dry swings. Something I remembered I was doing back when I was hitting the ball well was having a lot of secondary tilt. Like feeling like I'm leaning 90 degrees from the target -- but in reality nowhere near that. On video I've found this to help the in-to-out path and it also helps keep my backswing at or before parallel.

  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers Posts: 7,403 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Im not sure how adding secondary tilt has to do with sucking the club way inside. You are going way past parallel as well so not sure its helping there either

  • DevilDogDevilDog Members Posts: 1,836 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @chigolfer1 said:
    Yeah, sorry, honestly this doesn't add up. I don't see how you are truly swinging 106-115 with driver but getting those distances with irons. Those are just above mine and I know I'm not swinging close to that. OTOH, with those distances, I have a very hard time believing you can't hit any driver 200 yards. And, if you really are swinging a driver 106-115, I don't care how bad the impact position is, on anything that isn't just a complete mishit, I don't see how it doesn't go over 200 yards.

    I ask the same question. My son is around 112 mph right now and he launches his 8 iron in the high 160 carry range. His driver is around 300 total

  • Rory4PresRory4Pres Members Posts: 971 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Matadorb32 said:
    106-115 MPH swing speed verified with multiple devices. For some back story, used to have a Cobra Fly-Z with a stiff black tie in, had no problem carrying it 240-260. Decided to sell it stupidly, and experimented for about a year with an XR 15 Pro and a XR16 (non-pro) with a myriad of shaft options, was able to knock one out there maybe 230 every once in a while, sold one of them and broke the other one. So I decided to get back into a Cobra and got a sweet deal on a brand new Cobra f8 with the stock Aldila NV 2KXV blue Stiff shaft. Verifying with GPS, I've used this club on course and I'm hitting it almost exactly 200 yards (+/- 5yds) on every drive. It's always in the fairway but hitting hybrids or long irons into every green is a struggle. I've tried messing with all of the loft/lie settings and weight settings, and while this does change the ball flight quite a bit, the distance remains around 200 yards with absolutely 0 roll. Often finding my drives a foot behind the pitch mark even in somewhat dry conditions. This thing launches into orbit and basically just appears to fall 90 degrees straight into the ground. Useful shot I suppose for a 200 yard par 3. But I really want more out of my driver.

    Things I've checked or tried:
    1. center face contact - my impact pattern seems pretty consistent, and I can reasonably control where on the face I'm trying to impact it. Move it out towards the toe for some more draw, towards the heel for more fade, etc.
    2. swing speed - The faster I swing, the higher the ball goes. swing 90mph and it's a lower trajectory out to 200 yards. Swing 115 - super high trajectory, dive bomb right at 200 yards...
    3. attack angle - I've tried hitting down on the ball, lowers trajectory quite a bit, a bit more erratic. I've moved the ball way up in my stance, and verifed with video that I am in fact hitting up on the ball... doesn't matter -- 200 yards.

    other distances for reference:
    3h - 225-235
    5i - 175-180
    7i - 150-160
    PW - 115-120

    My current theory is that the Aldila NV 2KXV blue Stiff shaft may be a bit too whippy for me and I need something stiffer. But as I understand, if the shaft is too weak it has more of an impact on shot dispersion... if anything, a weaker shaft would actually be longer just more erratic, right?

    Anything I can do to get back some distance?

    First off, I'm not even sure how this is possible. 115mph swing with a ball flight of only 200 BUT rather than focus on that, you need a different shaft in your driver. Go to a golf shop and hit multiple shafts on their simulator. Try to find a setup that give you about 2000-2300 rpm spin. That should help tremendously. If you find that missing the sweet spot of your driver is the primary cause, try choking up or shortening your driver by 1/2 or 1".

  • b_f_c_99b_f_c_99 No Warm Up Needed. Members Posts: 274 ✭✭✭✭

    Your pre-swing rehearsal looks like your trying to hold off the release. In your mind maybe you think this will help 'lag' or forward shaft lean but in reality your programming a fall back wipe sort of move. Nicklaus said you can't release the club to early. Try and make your hands release over your left foot and see what happens.

  • ScottJNScottJN Members Posts: 54 ✭✭

    Get an online lesson with one of the recommended teachers here. They’ll give you drills to fix some basics that’ll be much more worth your cash than any equipment.

  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

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  • Three_JackThree_Jack Members Posts: 21 ✭✭

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

  • Matadorb32Matadorb32 Members Posts: 63 ✭✭

    Just want to clear up any further argument. I'm pretty sure my SSR and the flightscope at GG were giving me false/inflated readings. Realistically I think I'm swinging maybe 100-105 MPH with a wide open face and a slap across the ball.

  • GolfTurkeyGolfTurkey Members Posts: 592 ✭✭✭✭✭

    I really really want to see a ball with a 200 foot peak ... I'm off to the range tomorrow to practise flop shots with my driver!

  • justasgoodjustasgood Without Tempo, you are just a hacker. Members Posts: 2,671 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Matadorb32 said:
    Just want to clear up any further argument. I'm pretty sure my SSR and the flightscope at GG were giving me false/inflated readings. Realistically I think I'm swinging maybe 100-105 MPH with a wide open face and a slap across the ball.

    I’d say right now you are 90 -95 and, with sound mechanics and positions, you could get to 100

  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,609 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    Don’t you think that “ 200 yards “ is likely hyperbole to exclaim how “ less than optimized” the shot is ???

    Come on.

    Swinging 115 ( I’m not saying he is that fast just in general ) and carrying it 234 feels like it goes 150.

    I can say that cause I’ve been there. I won’t post my actual numbers because that will start a separate war. But let’s just say that I was 40 % short of optimum numbers at one point. And through the winter to now I gained and average of 40 yards carry. And I was hitting the middle of the face the whole time. Swinging harder or faster with these other flaws will not make the ball go farther. Just spins up more .

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  • rich srich s Members Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    1) You are not swinging that fast
    2) > @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    I could hit it one yard out of the middle with that much speed. I do think the point has been made though that he is not swinging that fast.

  • Three_JackThree_Jack Members Posts: 21 ✭✭

    @rich s said:
    1) You are not swinging that fast
    2) > @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    I could hit it one yard out of the middle with that much speed. I do think the point has been made though that he is not swinging that fast.

    Can you explain how you could hit it one yard hitting the middle of the clubface with a 115mph clubhead speed?

  • Matadorb32Matadorb32 Members Posts: 63 ✭✭

    @Three_Jack said:

    @rich s said:
    1) You are not swinging that fast
    2) > @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    I could hit it one yard out of the middle with that much speed. I do think the point has been made though that he is not swinging that fast.

    Can you explain how you could hit it one yard hitting the middle of the clubface with a 115mph clubhead speed?

    I can pull this shot off, no problem. This used to be my stock drive. Basically you just miss the ball with the driver and the wind from the driver will propel the ball forward. Another alternative way, which only works in really damp conditions is to hit -30 degrees down on a driver and plug it hard.

  • SNIPERBBBSNIPERBBB Hit Ball Hard SE OhioMembers Posts: 2,682 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Matadorb32 said:

    @Three_Jack said:

    @rich s said:
    1) You are not swinging that fast
    2) > @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    I could hit it one yard out of the middle with that much speed. I do think the point has been made though that he is not swinging that fast.

    Can you explain how you could hit it one yard hitting the middle of the clubface with a 115mph clubhead speed?

    I can pull this shot off, no problem. This used to be my stock drive. Basically you just miss the ball with the driver and the wind from the driver will propel the ball forward. Another alternative way, which only works in really damp conditions is to hit -30 degrees down on a driver and plug it hard.

    And impale your groin on the shaft after it snaps?

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  • rich srich s Members Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2019 5:33pm #56

    @Three_Jack said:

    @rich s said:
    1) You are not swinging that fast
    2) > @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    I could hit it one yard out of the middle with that much speed. I do think the point has been made though that he is not swinging that fast.

    Can you explain how you could hit it one yard hitting the middle of the clubface with a 115mph clubhead speed?

    If the club face is dead square (0 degrees face to path) to the ball, it imparts max energy. The more tilted the face of the driver is the less energy it imparts to the ball. If the face is at 89.9 degrees to path and it hits the ball in the middle of the face, how far do you think it will go? If you had a 85 degree wedge with the same length shaft as your driver, how far do you think the ball will go? Same principal. My guess is his face is wide open and he is wiping across it so his smash factor is insanely low.

  • malarijmmalarijm Cleveland, OHMembers Posts: 24 ✭✭

    Any golf galaxy I have been to uses a GC2 (no HMT) or some other ball censor that calculates estimated swing speed based on ball speed. I swing driver around 110 and I was getting 126 mph in my data one day, but I knew the unit had no way of actually calculating head speed. It was giving me an "estimated" smash of 1.3 that it gives for the 7 iron setting with a 165 ball speed and viola, I'm Matthew Wolff. FWIW it was giving an estimated smash factor of 1.45 when we switched to driver setting.

    If OPs machine was set to seven iron, his 115 on-screen swing speed with a 1.3 smash factor would be a 150 ball speed, which is a little more in line with what he is explaining. That would put him around 100 mph which it sounds like he has deduced himself a few posts above.

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  • Three_JackThree_Jack Members Posts: 21 ✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2019 6:22pm #59

    @rich s said:

    @Three_Jack said:

    @rich s said:
    1) You are not swinging that fast
    2) > @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    I could hit it one yard out of the middle with that much speed. I do think the point has been made though that he is not swinging that fast.

    Can you explain how you could hit it one yard hitting the middle of the clubface with a 115mph clubhead speed?

    If the club face is dead square (0 degrees face to path) to the ball, it imparts max energy. The more tilted the face of the driver is the less energy it imparts to the ball. If the face is at 89.9 degrees to path and it hits the ball in the middle of the face, how far do you think it will go? If you had a 85 degree wedge with the same length shaft as your driver, how far do you think the ball will go? Same principal. My guess is his face is wide open and he is wiping across it so his smash factor is insanely low.

    I feel like you don't even realize what your suggesting. You're basically asking someone to swing a club at 115 mph and hit the center of the clubface while having the clubface parallel to the swing plane. You would have a way better chance to hit the hosel if the clubface was this far open.

  • rich srich s Members Posts: 735 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Three_Jack said:

    @rich s said:

    @Three_Jack said:

    @rich s said:
    1) You are not swinging that fast
    2) > @Three_Jack said:

    @bladehunter said:

    @glk said:
    Way across line. Open face. Big wipe - out to in. Got to be high launch with lots of loft added. Put 135 ball speed(flightscope traj optimizer) 4000 spin and with fade spin got 201 with no roll with launch of 25* - ball went 160 feet high. Lol. Ball speed of 150 requires more spin and higher launch and goes over 200 feet high - really doubt this is happening. It is your swing and not equipment. And it’s not just fixing one thing.

    This ^^^. You can hit center with loads of speed and an open face and cut across path and go nowhere. Spin north of 4K etc. some refuse to believe this. But it’s doable. I’ve done it. Not anymore. Go see somebody OP. Get fixed.

    No... you cannot hit center with 115 clubhead speed and carry the ball 200 yards. I just put in 160ball speed(which is really low for 115 clubhead speed), 24* vertical launch, 4330 backspin, 30 degrees of spin axis and STILL got 234 yards of carry. This ball flight had a 200 foot peak. Not sure why people believe that you can hit a modern driver on the face with 115 mph clubhead speed and not get 250+ yards of carry with garbage contact.

    I could hit it one yard out of the middle with that much speed. I do think the point has been made though that he is not swinging that fast.

    Can you explain how you could hit it one yard hitting the middle of the clubface with a 115mph clubhead speed?

    If the club face is dead square (0 degrees face to path) to the ball, it imparts max energy. The more tilted the face of the driver is the less energy it imparts to the ball. If the face is at 89.9 degrees to path and it hits the ball in the middle of the face, how far do you think it will go? If you had a 85 degree wedge with the same length shaft as your driver, how far do you think the ball will go? Same principal. My guess is his face is wide open and he is wiping across it so his smash factor is insanely low.

    I feel like you don't even realize what your suggesting. You're basically asking someone to swing a club at 115 mph and hit the center of the clubface while having the clubface parallel to the swing plane. You would have a way better chance to hit the hosel if the clubface was this far open.

    I think you are missing my point. Like I said before though, he is not swinging this fast

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