European Tour vs PGA tour tv coverage

KRAMER1997KRAMER1997 Members Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

I was watching the Irish Open a couple of weeks ago and I noticed it was refreshing to just watch golf for a change and not have to hear Gary Mccord or some random CEO blabbing to Jim Nantz about how they love golf. In fact during a European tour broadcast, you rarely ever see the announcers and they tend to show more golf then CBS or NBC does when they cover the PGA tour. Why can't the PGA tour cover golf the way the European Tour does? Also, the European Tour has been killing it on social media with videos like the 14 club challenge and the hickory challenge.

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  • gvogelgvogel Members Posts: 7,714 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I think that most of us agree that PGA Tour coverage is much worse than the Euro tour coverage. In my opinion this will not change until the folks broadcasting the events in the US realize that golf fans are knowledgeable, and resent all the extra stuff that they pack into the coverage: Konica Minolta swing biz, etc. I think that the US broadcasting team thinks that their golf audience is larger than it actually is, and they need to both "educate" and 'humor" us.

    You are right. The US coverage is getting stale. There are too many announcers, each trying to justify their existence in the booth, or on the course. For comparison, Rich Gannon and Judy Rankin do a superior job for the ladies tour, just the two of them. There might also be one on-course reporter. This is a case of less is more.

    I have made the same comment on the Tour de France. Two knowledgeable people in the booth, one guy on a motorcycle, and an ex-racer that they call in for tactics once in awhile.

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  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Members Posts: 27,158 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Less is more with golf commentators.

    They should ship Mccord to Europe, lol, drive viewership to zero. But then again,

    Wasn't David Hassehoff huge in Germany?

  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 5,386 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 12, 2019 6:22pm #4

    With the new PGA Tour schedule salted away the top item on the agenda is the new tv contracts for 2021. Things could stay the same, but I suspect things are about to change. CBS could be replaced by FOX on PGA Tour coverage. (especially with the Viacom merger going ahead) The PGA Tour could buy the Golf Channel and move everything there. (say goodbye to your Euro Tour coverage) Or they could go the Netflix/ Disney +/ WWE Network route and head for the internet.

    Interesting times ahead.

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  • KRAMER1997KRAMER1997 Members Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

    @Darth Putter said:
    With the new PGA Tour schedule salted away the top item on the agenda is the new tv contracts for 2021. Things could stay the same, but I suspect things are about to change. CBS could be replaced by FOX on PGA Tour coverage. (especially with the Viacom merger going ahead) The PGA Tour could buy the Golf Channel and move everything there. (say goodbye to your Euro Tour coverage) Or they could go the Netflix/ Disney +/ WWE Network route and head for the internet.

    Interesting times ahead.

    NBC already owns the Golf Channel and has since 2010 or 2011.

  • lowheellowheel LOWHEEL Members Posts: 6,456 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @bscinstnct said:
    Less is more with golf commentators.

    They should ship Mccord to Europe, lol, drive viewership to zero. But then again,

    Wasn't David Hassehoff huge in Germany?

  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

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    @KRAMER1997 said:

    @Darth Putter said:
    With the new PGA Tour schedule salted away the top item on the agenda is the new tv contracts for 2021. Things could stay the same, but I suspect things are about to change. CBS could be replaced by FOX on PGA Tour coverage. (especially with the Viacom merger going ahead) The PGA Tour could buy the Golf Channel and move everything there. (say goodbye to your Euro Tour coverage) Or they could go the Netflix/ Disney +/ WWE Network route and head for the internet.

    Interesting times ahead.

    NBC already owns the Golf Channel and has since 2010 or 2011.

    That doesn't preclude the PGA Tour from buying it, if the price is right.

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  • Railroading13Railroading13 NebraskaMembers Posts: 662 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The European Tour has always been better to watch, back to the good ole days of Renton Laidlaw. I think it's a culture thing? PGA Tour is way over commercialized - they show less golf, talk more, prop up "superstars", and advertise more. Euro tour to me has always been laid back, the courses are more interesting, and the coverage centers around the game itself, not the game as entertainment... if that makes sense

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  • JD3JD3 Members Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 12, 2019 10:02pm #10

    Euro coverage makes US look good by comparison. Like I said in another thread Euro coverage is just two dull sounding guys mumbling on about a subject - golf - they know nothing about.

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  • KRAMER1997KRAMER1997 Members Posts: 205 ✭✭✭

    @JD3 said:
    Euro coverage makes US look good by comparison. Like I said in another thread Euro coverage is just two dull sounding guys mumbling and droning on about a subject - golf - they know nothing about.

    Yeah but I'd rather have that than 3 commercial breaks per hour, a 10-minute chat with the CEO of the tournament sponsor, and constant reminders of who's leading the Fedex Cup/Wyndham rewards standings.

  • grm24grm24 Western PAMembers Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @KRAMER1997 said:

    @Darth Putter said:
    With the new PGA Tour schedule salted away the top item on the agenda is the new tv contracts for 2021. Things could stay the same, but I suspect things are about to change. CBS could be replaced by FOX on PGA Tour coverage. (especially with the Viacom merger going ahead) The PGA Tour could buy the Golf Channel and move everything there. (say goodbye to your Euro Tour coverage) Or they could go the Netflix/ Disney +/ WWE Network route and head for the internet.

    Interesting times ahead.

    NBC already owns the Golf Channel and has since 2010 or 2011.

    Comcast has completely owned Golf Channel since the early 2000's. Comcast has owned NBC since 2011. Comcast moved Golf Channel under the NBC Sports umbrella after Comcast took control of NBC.

  • Oz MaxOz Max Members Posts: 144 ✭✭✭

    @JD3 said:
    Euro coverage makes US look good by comparison. Like I said in another thread Euro coverage is just two dull sounding guys mumbling on about a subject - golf - they know nothing about.

    Euro Tour coverage is awesome, the guys are super knowledgeable, Sam Torrance or Thomas Bjorn are in the booth quite often, and one would not question their input. PGA tour has better strength of field, maybe, but that stops there.

  • smashdnsmashdn Let's cut them trees down. Members Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    The Euro Tour coverage is not shy about showing whole groups walking around the greens or walking down the fairways. Not sure if that is a product of less cameras or what but there are times when I have watched it and thought, "Did they run out of guys hitting shots?" (Also thought, "Where are the spectators?")

    My favorite stuff to watch on a golf tournament are the player-caddie conversations. This may sound dumb, but I like to see the guys warming up on the range too. Not just blasting balls but actually on them long enough to get an idea what they are doing to warm up.

    I like the swing breakdowns when done sparingly.

  • JD3JD3 Members Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Euro coverage reminds me of those two old men in the balcony on the muppets.

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  • bullie76bullie76 Members Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    CBS is the only network I have a problem with here in the States. I watched the U.S. Women's Amateur this past weekend and Fox did a great job with the coverage.

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    edited Aug 13, 2019 12:33pm #18

    @Darth Putter said:

    @KRAMER1997 said:

    @Darth Putter said:
    With the new PGA Tour schedule salted away the top item on the agenda is the new tv contracts for 2021. Things could stay the same, but I suspect things are about to change. CBS could be replaced by FOX on PGA Tour coverage. (especially with the Viacom merger going ahead) The PGA Tour could buy the Golf Channel and move everything there. (say goodbye to your Euro Tour coverage) Or they could go the Netflix/ Disney +/ WWE Network route and head for the internet.

    Interesting times ahead.

    NBC already owns the Golf Channel and has since 2010 or 2011.

    That doesn't preclude the PGA Tour from buying it, if the price is right.

    Maybe not. PGA Tour is a non-profit organization. The Golf Channel is a for-profit entity. Not sure how the latter could be owned by the former. The Tour is threatening to go the Netflix/ Disney +/ WWE Network route and head for the internet, but I think that's a massive mistake.

  • BlackDiamondPar5BlackDiamondPar5 Members Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    US, CBS in particular, is horrible. Too many commercials. There is no flow to watching it because there are so many commercials. The productions are over commentated, over produced, over commercialized pap. Only way to change things is to vote with your remote.

  • DpavsDpavs OverWRX'ed Members Posts: 3,416 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I wish the two would get together and settle somewhere in the middle...for me Euro too boring, US too gabby.

  • JaNelson38JaNelson38 Members Posts: 2,781 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 13, 2019 3:07pm #21

    People continue to not understand just how expensive live sports is to produce and broadcast. Its not just the commentators and the cameras - that's actually the small part. The highest costs are the costs of paying the sports league for the rights to broadcast their events. And as long as PGA Tour events are going to put up purses in the $7-10 million range each week, the costs of producing the TV broadcasts are going to remain high. TV networks are still businesses, and in the end successful businesses are in it to make money. TV networks dont make money if they dont sell commercials. And network TV hours during the afternoons on Saturdays and Sundays are some of the most expensive times for the networks, because they are usually broadcasting these expensive sporting events, whether its golf or something else.

    You want fewer commercials? Welp...the PGA Tour needs to lower the costs of its business then. We've already seen tournament sponsors start to drop out because of high costs.

  • 1s1k1s1k A-Town, MAMembers Posts: 512 ✭✭✭✭✭

    The European crowds are much better and tolerable also. They're not yelling get in the hole after a tee shot on a par 5 or other moronic phrases.

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    @JaNelson38 said:
    People continue to not understand just how expensive live sports is to produce and broadcast. Its not just the commentators and the cameras - that's actually the small part. The highest costs are the costs of paying the sports league for the rights to broadcast their events. And as long as PGA Tour events are going to put up purses in the $7-10 million range each week, the costs of producing the TV broadcasts are going to remain high. TV networks are still businesses, and in the end successful businesses are in it to make money. TV networks dont make money if they dont sell commercials. And network TV hours during the afternoons on Saturdays and Sundays are some of the most expensive times for the networks, because they are usually broadcasting these expensive sporting events, whether its golf or something else.

    You want fewer commercials? Welp...the PGA Tour needs to lower the costs of its business then. We've already seen tournament sponsors start to drop out because of high costs.

    More golf shots and less babbling would be a good start. They need to stop acting like their paid by the word. I recall one time a player and caddie having a very interesting discussion about how to get out of a bad situation. It was a great discussion except someone in the booth kept babbling over the top of the discussion. Between the constant babble and commercials every 5 minutes most televised golf is intolerable.

  • JohnnyCashForeverJohnnyCashForever From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. PAMembers Posts: 346 ✭✭✭✭

    @lowheel said:

    @bscinstnct said:
    Less is more with golf commentators.

    They should ship Mccord to Europe, lol, drive viewership to zero. But then again,

    Wasn't David Hassehoff huge in Germany?

    The Hoff has an introspective moment with a cheeseburger...

  • JohnnyCashForeverJohnnyCashForever From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. PAMembers Posts: 346 ✭✭✭✭

    I will say this, anecdotally, American PGA Tour golf has more shot tracer than the European Tour (and the LPGA Tour for that matter). Gotta have my shot tracer.

  • Oliver KlozoffOliver Klozoff Members Posts: 234 ✭✭✭

    Fox Sports is the best. Maybe it's because the cover the USGA tournaments and aren't required to fill up so much dead time with them. Except the finals of match play.

    Europe broadcasting next best. Quieter. Funnier.

    US. I can only take Faldo. The rest talk too much.

  • SkhackerSkhacker The Minimalist Golfer Members Posts: 1,549 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I find myself watching considerably more European Tour golf as I find the courses more interesting, the commentators talk less and there are fewer commercials. Over the last couple of years, the only PGA Tour golf I watch is final rounds. Otherwise, I just catch the highlights.

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