Putter weight question

I have a TFI Smartsquare putter which began life at 35" with stock grip. I cut it down 1-3/4" and added a flatso 3.0. Here's the rub, the website says this putter is 420g stock, but my cut down putter weighs 524g, so is the stock weight referring to head only? The flatso grip is only 60g so its not overly heavy. Also my swingweight is D6.5, so does that mean stock swingweight was probably over D8, is that high for a mallet putter? Picture of putter for reference.

If you putt with glove on remember to factor that into swing weight, technically it reduces your swing weight by almost 6 points. (doesn't change your swing dynamic much though because the weight gets added at the bottom of your swing axis) Cheers. :smile:

I have figured out over my years that a given weight from the manufacturer is normally for the head. I've got a few I measured at 350-355, then assembled run low to mid 500's.

> @8overpar said:

> I have figured out over my years that a given weight from the manufacturer is normally for the head. I've got a few I measured at 350-355, then assembled run low to mid 500's.

Cool, that is what I deducted, just wanted to verify. Thank you!

Cutting the shaft 2 inches might reduce overall weight by like 5-7 grams, so at 524g TOTAL with the 60g grip (measuring D6-7), your actual head weight is probably much more "normal" in the 340-350g range, which is very typical. A 420g head at 35'' would swing weight something silly high, not sure what but probably well over G0, and it would have felt like a total hammer when you first had it. It would also still SW insanely high now, too.

FYI typical putter shafts weigh anywhere from 110-120 grams.... I don't know what specific shaft your putter has but it's unlikely it weighs 40g. Not sure what number the OEM was giving to equal 420g because I don't think it's just the putter head and I also don't think it's the total club weight either.

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> Cutting the shaft 2 inches might reduce overall weight by like 5-7 grams, so at 524g TOTAL with the 60g grip (measuring D6-7), your actual head weight is probably much more "normal" in the 340-350g range, which is very typical. A 420g head at 35'' would swing weight something silly high, not sure what but probably well over G0, and it would have felt like a total hammer when you first had it. It would also still SW insanely high now, too.

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> FYI typical putter shafts weigh anywhere from 110-120 grams.... I don't know what specific shaft your putter has but it's unlikely it weighs 40g. Not sure what number the OEM was giving to equal 420g because I don't think it's just the putter head and I also don't think it's the total club weight either.

Damnit, see now we're back to square one with that information LOL. As far as the shaft, it's an unmarked double bend shaft, I'm assuming a generic Cleveland shaft.

> @awolmartinez said:

> > @Z1ggy16 said:

> > Cutting the shaft 2 inches might reduce overall weight by like 5-7 grams, so at 524g TOTAL with the 60g grip (measuring D6-7), your actual head weight is probably much more "normal" in the 340-350g range, which is very typical. A 420g head at 35'' would swing weight something silly high, not sure what but probably well over G0, and it would have felt like a total hammer when you first had it. It would also still SW insanely high now, too.

> >

> > FYI typical putter shafts weigh anywhere from 110-120 grams.... I don't know what specific shaft your putter has but it's unlikely it weighs 40g. Not sure what number the OEM was giving to equal 420g because I don't think it's just the putter head and I also don't think it's the total club weight either.

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> Damnit, see now we're back to square one with that information LOL. As far as the shaft, it's an unmarked double bend shaft, I'm assuming a generic Cleveland shaft.

Yeah, no idea TBH. Just look at any OEM website when they list putter head weight - They are all like 345, 355, etc. Even the high MOI putters like the "Tank" version from Odyssey still probably only weight like 370-380g. EVNROLL has putters at 35'' that are listed as E4 on the swing weight scale. Even with a really heavy grip you're still only talking ~365g head.

To have a 420g head SW anywhere in the D range at 35'', you'd need to use a grip weighing about 250g. Using a normal 60g grip, you literally wouldn't be able to get a shaft light enough to SW a 420g head in the D range.

https://www.clevelandgolf.com/en/tfi-rho-putter/11000123.html

^ this putter looks very similar. Head weight is listed as 370g and grip of 65g. My guess is whatever you saw was possibly head weight + grip weight and didn't take into account shaft weight.

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> FYI typical putter shafts weigh anywhere from 110-120 grams.... I don't know what specific shaft your putter has but it's unlikely it weighs 40g. Not sure what number the OEM was giving to equal 420g because I don't think it's just the putter head and I also don't think it's the total club weight either.

> Yeah, no idea TBH. Just look at any OEM website when they list putter head weight - They are all like 345, 355, etc. Even the high MOI putters like the "Tank" version from Odyssey still probably only weight like 370-380g. EVNROLL has putters at 35'' that are listed as E4 on the swing weight scale. Even with a really heavy grip you're still only talking ~365g head.

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> To have a 420g head SW anywhere in the D range at 35'', you'd need to use a grip weighing about 250g. Using a normal 60g grip, you literally wouldn't be able to get a shaft light enough to SW a 420g head in the D range.

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> https://www.clevelandgolf.com/en/tfi-rho-putter/11000123.html

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> ^ this putter looks very similar. Head weight is listed as 370g and grip of 65g. My guess is whatever you saw was possibly head weight + grip weight and didn't take into account shaft weight.

Eureka! You were right I FINALLY found SOMETHING in the form of specs on this damn thing and 420g is in fact the head + grip weight. So that puts my shaft weight at 104g. Wow what a rabbit hole I had to go down just to find this measly little chart.

Good work! Sometimes that's what golf is, a rabbit hole. haha

> @Z1ggy16 said:

> Good work! Sometimes that's what golf is, a rabbit hole. haha

I wish my friends would have warned me before they invited me in LOL... Alas, it's too late now. I already swallowed the red pill, and now my game is as confusing as my references! ???

Thanks again for the guidance ?

> @DeepPutts said:

> If you putt with glove on remember to factor that into swing weight, technically it reduces your swing weight by almost 6 points. (doesn't change your swing dynamic much though because the weight gets added at the bottom of your swing axis) Cheers. :smile:

I have never heard this. Do you have a source?

> @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> > @DeepPutts said:

> > If you putt with glove on remember to factor that into swing weight, technically it reduces your swing weight by almost 6 points. (doesn't change your swing dynamic much though because the weight gets added at the bottom of your swing axis) Cheers. :smile:

>

> I have never heard this. Do you have a source?

I also have never heard this before. If this is true, what about my Garmin watch does that factor into swing weight as well? I wouldn't think either of these would matter, but there's much I do not yet know.

Gloves do not equal swing weight. If so, I would be calculating the mass of my phalanges as well.

> @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> Gloves do not equal swing weight. If so, I would be calculating the mass of my phalanges as well.

Don't forget the Superbowl ring you wear when you play golf, that's at least 20 oz! ?

I kid, I really have no idea what counts and what doesn't, I have actually thought about my inconsistencies, and tried playing without my watch to see if it made a difference, since I do much better at the range where I do not wear it. Turns out, it's not the lack of watch, I'm just not good, and the mats are hiding my flaws, go figure!

> @awolmartinez said:

> > @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> > Gloves do not equal swing weight. If so, I would be calculating the mass of my phalanges as well.

>

> Don't forget the Superbowl ring you wear when you play golf, that's at least 20 oz! ?

> I kid, I really have no idea what counts and what doesn't, I have actually thought about my inconsistencies, and tried playing without my watch to see if it made a difference, since I do much better at the range where I do not wear it. Turns out, it's not the lack of watch, I'm just not good, and the mats are hiding my flaws, go figure!

Speaking of rabbit holes! IMO we don't need to worry about watches, rings, gloves, or what color shirt we are wearing. Just work on grooving your swing, and have fun! It is just a game at the end of the day. Cheers!

> @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> Gloves do not equal swing weight. If so, I would be calculating the mass of my phalanges as well.

Absolutely they do. I'm afraid you'll have to argue this one out with one of the most knowledgeable equipment minds in the history of the sport. Frank Thomas. And he is definitely correct. Youtube search "Frank Thomas Should You Wear A Golf Glove?". Cheers. :smile:

> @awolmartinez said:

> > @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> > Gloves do not equal swing weight. If so, I would be calculating the mass of my phalanges as well.

>

> Don't forget the Superbowl ring you wear when you play golf, that's at least 20 oz! ?

> I kid, I really have no idea what counts and what doesn't, I have actually thought about my inconsistencies, and tried playing without my watch to see if it made a difference, since I do much better at the range where I do not wear it. Turns out, it's not the lack of watch, I'm just not good, and the mats are hiding my flaws, go figure!

All joking aside a 20 ounce ring would change your swing weight. But... It wouldn't alter your swing all that much because of the way the weight is transferred. I defer to the legendary Frankly Golf on this and all things of this nature. Frank is spot on. Cheers. :smile:

> @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> > @DeepPutts said:

> > If you putt with glove on remember to factor that into swing weight, technically it reduces your swing weight by almost 6 points. (doesn't change your swing dynamic much though because the weight gets added at the bottom of your swing axis) Cheers. :smile:

>

> I have never heard this. Do you have a source?

Yes sir, but this forum will not permit to post links. Please search youtube for "Frank Thomas Should You Wear A Golf Glove?" Cheers. :smile:

> @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> > @awolmartinez said:

> > > @"Puttersaurus Rex" said:

> > > Gloves do not equal swing weight. If so, I would be calculating the mass of my phalanges as well.

> >

> > Don't forget the Superbowl ring you wear when you play golf, that's at least 20 oz! ?

> > I kid, I really have no idea what counts and what doesn't, I have actually thought about my inconsistencies, and tried playing without my watch to see if it made a difference, since I do much better at the range where I do not wear it. Turns out, it's not the lack of watch, I'm just not good, and the mats are hiding my flaws, go figure!

>

> Speaking of rabbit holes! IMO we don't need to worry about watches, rings, gloves, or what color shirt we are wearing. Just work on grooving your swing, and have fun! It is just a game at the end of the day. Cheers!

I agree with this, the reason I teach putting is to help people enjoy golf. Full stop. Brad Faxon has a great quote, "Sometimes people get so caught up in mechanics they forget we just need to put a ball in a hole." So I agree with you 100%. Golf the way you golf, have fun, don't think about it. For sure. That said I think it's an interesting fact and still relevant to the OP. Cheers mate. :smile: