Wedge Flex vs. stiff flex for stiif shaft iron players

Those who play stiff shafts in your irons: do you play your specialty wedges with the standard wedge flex, or stiffer?

DG wedge flex is a stiff, S200. I've never had issues with those.

Largely based on feel and preferred shot you will play with your wedge. If you use the wedge for full shots then there could be benefits from using the same shaft as your irons.

For me same as my stiff iron c-tapers. I like it that way because I have the same feel all the way through the irons. Also I can still hit them high, lower spinner, just about any trajectory. All about the feel to me.

> @Ripken08 said:

> DG wedge flex is a stiff, S200. I've never had issues with those.

Actually it could be an s200 or an s300 depending on the OEM.

I typically opt for the same shaft as in my irons, but go soft stepped once for a slightly less stout feel on partial shots.

Just picked up a couple new gap wedges to try, was thinking of dropping a matching kbs tour into one of the wedges

Last I knew, Titleist - Vokey uses DGS200 and DGS300 even DGR300 at times to configure Wedge flex. There is a tip stiffness difference between S200 and S300. DGS200 tip is a bit softer so the reason I been using it in LW since taking up the game. My SW, however, has the same shaft as the rest of my irons, except slightly heavier.

As a high spin player, I play the same shafts in my wedges as I do in my irons.

> @Pepperturbo said:

> Last I knew, Titleist - Vokey uses DGS200 and DGS300 even DGR300 at times to configure Wedge flex. There is a tip stiffness difference between S200 and S300. DGS200 tip is a bit softer so the reason I been using it in LW since taking up the game. My SW, however, has the same shaft as the rest of my irons, except slightly heavier.

Dynamic has been sorted to sub flexes since 1980, they are all the same shaft, its only a weight difference, and its NOT correct that S200 has a softer tip, we have no clue where its softer or stronger, but somewhere on the shaft, they "miss 1.5 grams", and thats could tip, mid, butt or equally all over.

Weight sorting after production is the only difference, and for DG we can count 1 grams as 0.9 CPM, so saying S200 is softer at the tip is not correct, its slightly softer in general, and about 2 CPM as average at the butt, but we have no clue where those 1.5 grams is "missing", and sometimes S200 measure stronger than S300...

Gold Standard sorting.

S200 . 125.5 to 128.5 grams - official 127

S300 - 128.5 to 131.5 grams - official 130

S400 - 131.5 to 134.5 grams - official 132

S400 Tour Issue 131.5 - 132.5 grams - official 132

As Stuart say, "Wedge flex" could be any of them, depending on OEM, but S200 is the most common with that label.

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > Last I knew, Titleist - Vokey uses DGS200 and DGS300 even DGR300 at times to configure Wedge flex. There is a tip stiffness difference between S200 and S300. DGS200 tip is a bit softer so the reason I been using it in LW since taking up the game. My SW, however, has the same shaft as the rest of my irons, except slightly heavier.

>

> Dynamic has been sorted to sub flexes since 1980, they are all the same shaft, its only a weight difference, and its NOT correct that S200 has a softer tip, we have no clue where its softer or stronger, but somewhere on the shaft, they "miss 1.5 grams", and thats could tip, mid, butt or equally all over.

>

> Weight sorting after production is the only difference, and for DG we can count 1 grams as 0.9 CPM, so saying S200 is softer at the tip is not correct, its slightly softer in general, and about 2 CPM as average at the butt, but we have no clue where those 1.5 grams is "missing", and sometimes S200 measure stronger than S300...

>

> Gold Standard sorting.

> S200 . 125.5 to 128.5 grams - official 127

> S300 - 128.5 to 131.5 grams - official 130

> S400 - 131.5 to 134.5 grams - official 132

> S400 Tour Issue 131.5 - 132.5 grams - official 132

>

> As Stuart say, "Wedge flex" could be any of them, depending on OEM, but S200 is the most common with that label.

I understand DG weight sorting and its failings better than I share here but thanks. A while back I lived in an area not too far from Titleist. Titleist came to our private club to conduct fittings and one of the Titleist wedge fitters told me that. Given my wedge game, I choose to believe what I was told.

That explains it...another sales rep....no wonder i lost most of my hearing....ive heard enough.

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > Last I knew, Titleist - Vokey uses DGS200 and DGS300 even DGR300 at times to configure Wedge flex. There is a tip stiffness difference between S200 and S300. DGS200 tip is a bit softer so the reason I been using it in LW since taking up the game. My SW, however, has the same shaft as the rest of my irons, except slightly heavier.

> >

> > Dynamic has been sorted to sub flexes since 1980, they are all the same shaft, its only a weight difference, and its NOT correct that S200 has a softer tip, we have no clue where its softer or stronger, but somewhere on the shaft, they "miss 1.5 grams", and thats could tip, mid, butt or equally all over.

> >

> > Weight sorting after production is the only difference, and for DG we can count 1 grams as 0.9 CPM, so saying S200 is softer at the tip is not correct, its slightly softer in general, and about 2 CPM as average at the butt, but we have no clue where those 1.5 grams is "missing", and sometimes S200 measure stronger than S300...

> >

> > Gold Standard sorting.

> > S200 . 125.5 to 128.5 grams - official 127

> > S300 - 128.5 to 131.5 grams - official 130

> > S400 - 131.5 to 134.5 grams - official 132

> > S400 Tour Issue 131.5 - 132.5 grams - official 132

> >

> > As Stuart say, "Wedge flex" could be any of them, depending on OEM, but S200 is the most common with that label.

>

> I understand DG weight sorting and its failings better than I share here but thanks. A while back I lived in an area not too far from Titleist. Titleist came to our private club to conduct fittings and one of the Titleist wedge fitters told me that. Given my wedge game, I choose to believe what I was told.

Unfortunately the sales rep heard a false myth and began passing it on as fact

> @Cwebb said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > Last I knew, Titleist - Vokey uses DGS200 and DGS300 even DGR300 at times to configure Wedge flex. There is a tip stiffness difference between S200 and S300. DGS200 tip is a bit softer so the reason I been using it in LW since taking up the game. My SW, however, has the same shaft as the rest of my irons, except slightly heavier.

> > >

> > > Dynamic has been sorted to sub flexes since 1980, they are all the same shaft, its only a weight difference, and its NOT correct that S200 has a softer tip, we have no clue where its softer or stronger, but somewhere on the shaft, they "miss 1.5 grams", and thats could tip, mid, butt or equally all over.

> > >

> > > Weight sorting after production is the only difference, and for DG we can count 1 grams as 0.9 CPM, so saying S200 is softer at the tip is not correct, its slightly softer in general, and about 2 CPM as average at the butt, but we have no clue where those 1.5 grams is "missing", and sometimes S200 measure stronger than S300...

> > >

> > > Gold Standard sorting.

> > > S200 . 125.5 to 128.5 grams - official 127

> > > S300 - 128.5 to 131.5 grams - official 130

> > > S400 - 131.5 to 134.5 grams - official 132

> > > S400 Tour Issue 131.5 - 132.5 grams - official 132

> > >

> > > As Stuart say, "Wedge flex" could be any of them, depending on OEM, but S200 is the most common with that label.

> >

> > I understand DG weight sorting and its failings better than I share here but thanks. A while back I lived in an area not too far from Titleist. Titleist came to our private club to conduct fittings and one of the Titleist wedge fitters told me that. Given my wedge game, I choose to believe what I was told.

>

> Unfortunately the sales rep heard a false myth and began passing it on as fact

They were from the tour trailer.

> @"Howard Jones" said:

> That explains it...another sales rep....no wonder i lost most of my hearing....ive heard enough.

Howard, you provide a great deal of information to this site, but in this case, you have lost your ability to hear other than your thoughts. Have a good day.

I have a similar question to the OP as well. I recently went to a fit for the P790s and got fit into the Project X LZ 120 6.0's +1/2". I game the Vokey 50*, Vokey 54* and Hi-Toe 58*. I take full swings with the Vokey's but not the Hi-Toe. I also dont chip with the 50* but chip with the Vokey 54* and Hi-Toe 58*.

I have never done soft stepping before but if I consistency out of the irons while still maintaining spin I would assume put the same shaft that are in the irons with same weight and flex in the 50* and 54* as they are full swing clubs. Not sure...what would you guys think?

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > That explains it...another sales rep....no wonder i lost most of my hearing....ive heard enough.

>

> Howard, you provide a great deal of information to this site, but in this case, you have lost your ability to hear other than your thoughts. Have a good day.

This aint my thoughts, its a shaft design, in this case the same, even the same production line where the end product is suppose to be the same. After production they are sorted by weight, noting else. Why would S200 end up with a softer tip than S300? like i said, we dont even know what part of the shaft that became 1.5-3.0 grams lighter and thats why S200 might be measured to a stronger butt flex than S300, even if we expected it to be softer, so those grams missing is "somewhere" over the whole shaft, there is no design or production difference who should make the tip softer as a constant.

> @Pepperturbo said:

> > @Cwebb said:

> > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > > Last I knew, Titleist - Vokey uses DGS200 and DGS300 even DGR300 at times to configure Wedge flex. There is a tip stiffness difference between S200 and S300. DGS200 tip is a bit softer so the reason I been using it in LW since taking up the game. My SW, however, has the same shaft as the rest of my irons, except slightly heavier.

> > > >

> > > > Dynamic has been sorted to sub flexes since 1980, they are all the same shaft, its only a weight difference, and its NOT correct that S200 has a softer tip, we have no clue where its softer or stronger, but somewhere on the shaft, they "miss 1.5 grams", and thats could tip, mid, butt or equally all over.

> > > >

> > > > Weight sorting after production is the only difference, and for DG we can count 1 grams as 0.9 CPM, so saying S200 is softer at the tip is not correct, its slightly softer in general, and about 2 CPM as average at the butt, but we have no clue where those 1.5 grams is "missing", and sometimes S200 measure stronger than S300...

> > > >

> > > > Gold Standard sorting.

> > > > S200 . 125.5 to 128.5 grams - official 127

> > > > S300 - 128.5 to 131.5 grams - official 130

> > > > S400 - 131.5 to 134.5 grams - official 132

> > > > S400 Tour Issue 131.5 - 132.5 grams - official 132

> > > >

> > > > As Stuart say, "Wedge flex" could be any of them, depending on OEM, but S200 is the most common with that label.

> > >

> > > I understand DG weight sorting and its failings better than I share here but thanks. A while back I lived in an area not too far from Titleist. Titleist came to our private club to conduct fittings and one of the Titleist wedge fitters told me that. Given my wedge game, I choose to believe what I was told.

> >

> > Unfortunately the sales rep heard a false myth and began passing it on as fact

> They were from the tour trailer.

>

I'm not sure what that has to do with it? Whether an S200 is from a tour trailer or not, they don't have a softer tip section than an S300. It's the same shaft, but because of the manufacturing tolerance that everything has, it happens to be a couple grams lighter in weight.

Along the same lines, an S400 doesn't have a stiffer tip section than an S300

> @Cwebb said:

> > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > @Cwebb said:

> > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > > @"Howard Jones" said:

> > > > > > @Pepperturbo said:

> > > > > > Last I knew, Titleist - Vokey uses DGS200 and DGS300 even DGR300 at times to configure Wedge flex. There is a tip stiffness difference between S200 and S300. DGS200 tip is a bit softer so the reason I been using it in LW since taking up the game. My SW, however, has the same shaft as the rest of my irons, except slightly heavier.

> > > > >

> > > > > Dynamic has been sorted to sub flexes since 1980, they are all the same shaft, its only a weight difference, and its NOT correct that S200 has a softer tip, we have no clue where its softer or stronger, but somewhere on the shaft, they "miss 1.5 grams", and thats could tip, mid, butt or equally all over.

> > > > >

> > > > > Weight sorting after production is the only difference, and for DG we can count 1 grams as 0.9 CPM, so saying S200 is softer at the tip is not correct, its slightly softer in general, and about 2 CPM as average at the butt, but we have no clue where those 1.5 grams is "missing", and sometimes S200 measure stronger than S300...

> > > > >

> > > > > Gold Standard sorting.

> > > > > S200 . 125.5 to 128.5 grams - official 127

> > > > > S300 - 128.5 to 131.5 grams - official 130

> > > > > S400 - 131.5 to 134.5 grams - official 132

> > > > > S400 Tour Issue 131.5 - 132.5 grams - official 132

> > > > >

> > > > > As Stuart say, "Wedge flex" could be any of them, depending on OEM, but S200 is the most common with that label.

> > > >

> > > > I understand DG weight sorting and its failings better than I share here but thanks. A while back I lived in an area not too far from Titleist. Titleist came to our private club to conduct fittings and one of the Titleist wedge fitters told me that. Given my wedge game, I choose to believe what I was told.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately the sales rep heard a false myth and began passing it on as fact

> > They were from the tour trailer.

> >

>

> I'm not sure what that has to do with it? Whether an S200 is from a tour trailer or not, they don't have a softer tip section than an S300. It's the same shaft, but because of the manufacturing tolerance that everything has, it happens to be a couple grams lighter in weight.

>

> Along the same lines, an S400 doesn't have a stiffer tip section than an S300

Believe what you will. Have a good day