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Apparently regripping during swing, is this possible ?

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Hi,

I am a 20 capper really struggling with my long game ( among all the rest :) ).
I have been seeing a pro on a regular basis but keep having the same problem :
I grip my club with a 3 knuckle left hand grip and a strongish right hand club, clubface square to target.
Even after a 20% slow motion swing, my clubface returns at least 10 degrees or more closed ....
My pro says I probably “regrip” mid swing but I strongly doubt this.
All advice is welcome !!

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  • royemansroyemans Members  76WRX Points: 33Posts: 76 Fairways
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    Not for the faint of heart ..

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  • andrueandrue Members  1524WRX Points: 280Handicap: 21Posts: 1,524 Platinum Tees
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    I've been known to do that occasionally as well (22 capper). It seemed to stop when I adopted a single plane swing.

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    My pro isn’t sure either, I do try to keep my grip pressure constant.
    To “save” the shot I raise the handle quite a bit.

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  • royemansroyemans Members  76WRX Points: 33Posts: 76 Fairways
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    How did a single plane swing help ?
    According to my pro ( plane truth certified) I am a hybrid between single and 2 plane ...

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  • larrybudlarrybud Rochester Hills, MIMembers  11599WRX Points: 486Handicap: 3.4Posts: 11,599 Titanium Tees
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    I don't see any regripping during the swing. Ask him to point out on video when he sees it happening.
    It returns closed because your grip is too strong to begin with. Anybody can set up with the face square to the target at address, with a weak or strong grip. Doesn't mean the grip is correct.
    Sounds like the pro doesn't really know what you're doing. The last time a guy I was seeing said "I don't know" i found a new pro.

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  • royemansroyemans Members  76WRX Points: 33Posts: 76 Fairways
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    Thanx for the advice !
    Both hands too strong ?

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  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Southern CaliforniaMembers  19030WRX Points: 1,697Posts: 19,030 Titanium Tees
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    You’re over hinging your wrists in the backswing and over tilting your shoulders in the downswing. Path is likely way right and you’d miss is way right if you didn’t close it. There is no regripping.

    Everyone is a hybrid.

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    On -, @MonteScheinblum said:

    You’re over hinging your wrists in the backswing and over tilting your shoulders in the downswing. Path is likely way right and you’d miss is way right if you didn’t close it. There is no regripping.

    Everyone is a hybrid.

    Thank you very much for the advice !
    Meaning too much secondary tilt in downswing ( head going back too much ) ?

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  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Southern CaliforniaMembers  19030WRX Points: 1,697Posts: 19,030 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @royemans said:

    On -, @MonteScheinblum said:

    You’re over hinging your wrists in the backswing and over tilting your shoulders in the downswing. Path is likely way right and you’d miss is way right if you didn’t close it. There is no regripping.

    Everyone is a hybrid.

    Thank you very much for the advice !
    Meaning too much secondary tilt in downswing ( head going back too much ) ?

    Yes. Watching your wrist action, the slide and left shoulder pitching up is probably a reaction. Post a DTL

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  • royemansroyemans Members  76WRX Points: 33Posts: 76 Fairways
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    Thank you very much !!

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  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members  5015WRX Points: 841Posts: 5,015 Titanium Tees
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    What happens when you only take a 3/4 swing? Can you get the clubface back to square with a 3/4 swing?

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    No, even half swings suffer.
    After Montes comment I reviewed my take away in slomo and I think I found something.
    At the start of my swing I think I flatten my left wrist, twisting it even stronger, but am really not sure.
    Could this be it ??

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  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Southern CaliforniaMembers  19030WRX Points: 1,697Posts: 19,030 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @royemans said:

    No, even half swings suffer.
    After Montes comment I reviewed my take away in slomo and I think I found something.
    At the start of my swing I think I flatten my left wrist, twisting it even stronger, but am really not sure.
    Could this be it ??

    No. The clubface being closed is hit the issue.

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  • royemansroyemans Members  76WRX Points: 33Posts: 76 Fairways
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    Thank you very much.
    If I understand correctly :
    Strong grip > closed face > handle raising to save the shot ?
    I will try to adapt to a more neutral grip !

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  • MonteScheinblumMonteScheinblum Rebellion Golf Southern CaliforniaMembers  19030WRX Points: 1,697Posts: 19,030 Titanium Tees
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    a closed club face is NOT the issue

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    At the start of my swing I think I flatten my left wrist, twisting it even stronger, but am really not sure.
    Could this be it ??

    IMO subconsciously regripping your club to start your back swing to a more left hand strong grip can and will create a closed club face at impact.

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  • royemansroyemans Members  76WRX Points: 33Posts: 76 Fairways
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    Again, not my best work but my typical swing
    @ Monte : a DTL as requested

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    On -, @royemans said:

    How did a single plane swing help ?
    According to my pro ( plane truth certified) I am a hybrid between single and 2 plane ...

    I don't know the reason but since switching to single plane (or at least not trying to raise my arms at the end of the back swing) I feel more comfortable. Fewer moving parts I suppose. Pretty much all I have to do is turn away from the target then turn back to face it. Arms, wrists and hands take care of themselves.

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    Maybe further info helps :
    Driver :
    CHS 104
    AoA +5 —> maybe the culprit as well ?
    Launch 16
    Spin 2200
    Path in to out 5-6

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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members  4370WRX Points: 386Posts: 4,370 Titanium Tees
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    Most the extra moves were caused by the grip.
    How your hands are on the golf grip and how it interact with the golf swing to return the grip ( the club face) to the golf ball is a one movement of cause and effect.
    Incorrectly gripping, will promote all the issue, where a correct gripping position will allow all the movements in a golf swing to happen naturally ( at least at the portion away from the core ). Please discuss this with your instructor.

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    On -, @MonteScheinblum said:

    a closed club face is NOT the issue

    A DTL is posted as requested.

    This has been a recurring problem for the last year, I am quite at a loss on how to solve this.

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    Look at your hands right as you start the swing. The still shot you posted face on shows a grip that looks almost neutral then just as you start the takeaway you take your real grip. That is the only re-grip in the swing.

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    On -, @Toolish So the neutraal grip becomes very strong during the take away ?
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    On -, @royemans said:

    On -, @MonteScheinblum said:

    a closed club face is NOT the issue

    A DTL is posted as requested.

    This has been a recurring problem for the last year, I am quite at a loss on how to solve this.

    You have a lot of good going on.

    Do you have this problem with all clubs or just the longer ones?

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    On -, @royemans said:

    On -, @Toolish So the neutraal grip becomes very strong during the take away ?

    I'm with Toolish here. Yes, if you watch your left hand at takeaway in the first video, you left hand rolls MUCH stronger as you begin the takeaway than what it was at address. This should not be happening. It almost seems like your grip is too loose and you grip tighter to take the club back. I honestly think I would hook the ball off the planet if I did that!

    BT

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  • royemansroyemans Members  76WRX Points: 33Posts: 76 Fairways
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    Thanks for the advice.
    Going to the range tomorrow and will try to sort out the grip issue !!

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  • talfredsontalfredson Moville, IowaMembers  44WRX Points: 33Posts: 44 Bunkers
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    Strong grip user here. Been going with a very strong grip last 2 years. Hit a power fade. If I don't square the club face my left arm is collapsing or my right forearm is rolling over my left forearm. Also if I'm pulling it I'm not releasing my right side enough and I'm hanging back.

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    Hold that wrist angle through impact and almost feel like the face it following the ball down the fairway.

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  • ToolishToolish Members  63WRX Points: 95Posts: 63 Bunkers
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    On -, @royemans said:

    On -, @Toolish So the neutraal grip becomes very strong during the take away ?

    Yep, the screenshot you posted does not reflect how you are holding the club for the rest of your swing.

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  • Redjeep83Redjeep83 Members  6073WRX Points: 601Posts: 6,073 Titanium Tees
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    Not saying you are regripping during swing but it’s possible and many do it, mostly happens at top of swing. The left hand will loosen and regrip

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