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  • Rory4PresRory4Pres Members  1490WRX Points: 441Handicap: 1Posts: 1,490 Platinum Tees
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    As a big Rory fan, I'm happy for him to win it but can't say I completely agree with the decision. By them picking him, it down plays the significance of Majors in an attempt to make the Tour Championship seem more important than it really is. Nobody grew up dreaming of winning the tour championship, they grew up dreaming of winning the masters or british open. Don't downplay the majors, lord knows Joe Buck and Fox have already tried to make 1 of the big 4 seem like garbage.
    Like the NBA mvp pick, it's a lot more political than it should be because it's hard to pick one sometimes when it's not the year 2000 and your name isn't Tiger Woods.

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    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    As a big Rory fan, I'm happy for him to win it but can't say I completely agree with the decision. By them picking him, it down plays the significance of Majors in an attempt to make the Tour Championship seem more important than it really is. Nobody grew up dreaming of winning the tour championship, they grew up dreaming of winning the masters or british open. Don't downplay the majors, lord knows Joe Buck and Fox have already tried to make 1 of the big 4 seem like garbage.
    Like the NBA mvp pick, it's a lot more political than it should be because it's hard to pick one sometimes when it's not the year 2000 and your name isn't Tiger Woods.

    Why should the PGA Championship be more significant than the Players?

    You know why... Is the PGA a sub-par major, probably. Should the Players replace it as the 4th major, probably. But is the players a Major, no. Until it is, we're not comparing apples to apples.

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  • vbbvbb Members  1591WRX Points: 146Posts: 1,591 Platinum Tees
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    Reasonable people can disagree, but both had "a case" for being named POTY. If there is a legitimate argument to be made for more than one person, and because it is being voted on by people, popularity and likeability will inevitably become part of the equation. Brooks just isn't the most liked guy out there, so it isn't surprising that the pros picked Rory.

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    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    As a big Rory fan, I'm happy for him to win it but can't say I completely agree with the decision. By them picking him, it down plays the significance of Majors in an attempt to make the Tour Championship seem more important than it really is. Nobody grew up dreaming of winning the tour championship, they grew up dreaming of winning the masters or british open. Don't downplay the majors, lord knows Joe Buck and Fox have already tried to make 1 of the big 4 seem like garbage.
    Like the NBA mvp pick, it's a lot more political than it should be because it's hard to pick one sometimes when it's not the year 2000 and your name isn't Tiger Woods.

    Why should the PGA Championship be more significant than the Players?

    You know why... Is the PGA a sub-par major, probably. Should the Players replace it as the 4th major, probably. But is the players a Major, no. Until it is, we're not comparing apples to apples.

    Or maybe the players recognize that, whatever you call them, the Player’s is a tougher win, and “we’re” not doing the comparing, they are. There are no criteria for this award, it’s a weighing of accomplishments and perhaps strength of field is as good a factor as any.

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    On -, @vbb said:

    Reasonable people can disagree, but both had "a case" for being named POTY. If there is a legitimate argument to be made for more than one person, and because it is being voted on by people, popularity and likeability will inevitably become part of the equation. Brooks just isn't the most liked guy out there, so it isn't surprising that the pros picked Rory.

    I think the decision came down to gf's/wives... Clearly that awkward rejected kiss by Brooks at the PGA championship cost him the POTY award.

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    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    As a big Rory fan, I'm happy for him to win it but can't say I completely agree with the decision. By them picking him, it down plays the significance of Majors in an attempt to make the Tour Championship seem more important than it really is. Nobody grew up dreaming of winning the tour championship, they grew up dreaming of winning the masters or british open. Don't downplay the majors, lord knows Joe Buck and Fox have already tried to make 1 of the big 4 seem like garbage.
    Like the NBA mvp pick, it's a lot more political than it should be because it's hard to pick one sometimes when it's not the year 2000 and your name isn't Tiger Woods.

    Why should the PGA Championship be more significant than the Players?

    You know why... Is the PGA a sub-par major, probably. Should the Players replace it as the 4th major, probably. But is the players a Major, no. Until it is, we're not comparing apples to apples.

    That is just nomenclature. I'm not asking what the media calls a major, I'm asking what about the tournament should give it greater significance than the Players. And there is no good answer, which is why it seems fine to me for Tour players to give Rory's wins this season as much or more weight than Koepka's.

    It's not what the media calls a Major, it is a Major. That's a fact. There is a good answer. Majors have more significance than non-majors. The only thing that's changed is how "important" the PGA is putting winning the tour championship.

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  • Night trainNight train Members  2885WRX Points: 262Posts: 2,885 Titanium Tees
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    I think 14 top tens in 19 events had a LOT to do with the voting..........the players voting realize playing at that level is an incredible accomplishment !

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    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

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    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    As a big Rory fan, I'm happy for him to win it but can't say I completely agree with the decision. By them picking him, it down plays the significance of Majors in an attempt to make the Tour Championship seem more important than it really is. Nobody grew up dreaming of winning the tour championship, they grew up dreaming of winning the masters or british open. Don't downplay the majors, lord knows Joe Buck and Fox have already tried to make 1 of the big 4 seem like garbage.
    Like the NBA mvp pick, it's a lot more political than it should be because it's hard to pick one sometimes when it's not the year 2000 and your name isn't Tiger Woods.

    Why should the PGA Championship be more significant than the Players?

    You know why... Is the PGA a sub-par major, probably. Should the Players replace it as the 4th major, probably. But is the players a Major, no. Until it is, we're not comparing apples to apples.

    That is just nomenclature. I'm not asking what the media calls a major, I'm asking what about the tournament should give it greater significance than the Players. And there is no good answer, which is why it seems fine to me for Tour players to give Rory's wins this season as much or more weight than Koepka's.

    It's not what the media calls a Major, it is a Major. That's a fact. There is a good answer. Majors have more significance than non-majors. The only thing that's changed is how "important" the PGA is putting winning the tour championship.

    A "Major" is just a name given by the media. That's it. The name alone does not give it more significance. There is no good answer as to why the PGA Championship is still called a "Major" or why it should have greater significance than the Players.

    You seem like the type of person who likes to argue with an encyclopedia.

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  • Rory4PresRory4Pres Members  1490WRX Points: 441Handicap: 1Posts: 1,490 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

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    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    As a big Rory fan, I'm happy for him to win it but can't say I completely agree with the decision. By them picking him, it down plays the significance of Majors in an attempt to make the Tour Championship seem more important than it really is. Nobody grew up dreaming of winning the tour championship, they grew up dreaming of winning the masters or british open. Don't downplay the majors, lord knows Joe Buck and Fox have already tried to make 1 of the big 4 seem like garbage.
    Like the NBA mvp pick, it's a lot more political than it should be because it's hard to pick one sometimes when it's not the year 2000 and your name isn't Tiger Woods.

    Why should the PGA Championship be more significant than the Players?

    You know why... Is the PGA a sub-par major, probably. Should the Players replace it as the 4th major, probably. But is the players a Major, no. Until it is, we're not comparing apples to apples.

    That is just nomenclature. I'm not asking what the media calls a major, I'm asking what about the tournament should give it greater significance than the Players. And there is no good answer, which is why it seems fine to me for Tour players to give Rory's wins this season as much or more weight than Koepka's.

    It's not what the media calls a Major, it is a Major. That's a fact. There is a good answer. Majors have more significance than non-majors. The only thing that's changed is how "important" the PGA is putting winning the tour championship.

    A "Major" is just a name given by the media. That's it. The name alone does not give it more significance. There is no good answer as to why the PGA Championship is still called a "Major" or why it should have greater significance than the Players.

    I dug this up online to help you wrap your head around what a Major is and what it means besides the prize money:
    The perks of winning a major championship
    Prestige, obviously -- you're in a limited company of players to ever win a major
    If you win the Masters, you're in the Masters for life, basically, and you're in the U.S. Open, Open Championship and PGA Championship for five years
    If you win the U.S. Open, you're exempt in the U.S. Open for 10 years, and you're in the Masters, Open Championship and PGA Championship for five years
    If you win the British Open, you're in the Open until you're 60, and you're in the Masters, U.S. Open and PGA Championship for five years
    If you win the PGA Championship, you're in the PGA Championship for life, basically, and you're in the Masters, U.S. Open and Open Championship for five years
    You get a 5-year exemption on the PGA Tour for winning a major, and you can pretty much set your schedule for two years
    You get a spot in the Tournament of Champions
    You get 100 Official World Golf Ranking points, which pretty much locks up a spot in the top 50 in the Official World Golf Ranking for 18 months, no matter what
    You get 600 FedEx Cup points
    You get big Ryder Cup points if you're an American or European player

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  • 00steven00steven Northern MIMembers  298WRX Points: 176Handicap: 12.9Posts: 298 Greens
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    I get Brooks run in the majors, but if I take the term Player of the year literally, than Rory fits the bill. He was the best all year.

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    Also a question, is it the best for 18-19 PGA calendar or 2019 calendar year? I’m guessing 18-19?

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    On -, @00steven said:

    Also a question, is it the best for 18-19 PGA calendar or 2019 calendar year? I’m guessing 18-19?

    Good question. I'm guessing it's from the first event that gets fedex cup points and on.

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    On -, @Rory4Pres said:

    I dug this up online to help you wrap your head around what a Major is and what it means besides the prize money:
    The perks of winning a major championship
    Prestige, obviously -- you're in a limited company of players to ever win a major
    If you win the Masters, you're in the Masters for life, basically, and you're in the U.S. Open, Open Championship and PGA Championship for five years
    If you win the U.S. Open, you're exempt in the U.S. Open for 10 years, and you're in the Masters, Open Championship and PGA Championship for five years
    If you win the British Open, you're in the Open until you're 60, and you're in the Masters, U.S. Open and PGA Championship for five years
    If you win the PGA Championship, you're in the PGA Championship for life, basically, and you're in the Masters, U.S. Open and Open Championship for five years
    You get a 5-year exemption on the PGA Tour for winning a major, and you can pretty much set your schedule for two years
    You get a spot in the Tournament of Champions
    You get 100 Official World Golf Ranking points, which pretty much locks up a spot in the top 50 in the Official World Golf Ranking for 18 months, no matter what
    You get 600 FedEx Cup points
    You get big Ryder Cup points if you're an American or European player

    The Players Championship also comes with lots of exemptions and perks too as noted on this page:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Players_Championship

    I'm glad McIlroy won the PGA Tour Player of the Year Award instead of the guy who seems to spew [email protected] out of his mouth every time he opens it. 14 top tens in 19 events, best scoring average of the year, and winning the Players Championship makes a much more impressive year than winning or placing well in some tournament that was give the name "major" by some hack media person who couldn't shoot a decent score in his life (if he was ever a golfer to begin with), or an organization (with the power) that self appointed itself as a "major".

    I think the trophy in the bottom left is supposed to be the Vardon trophy, but does it look like Byron Nelson to anyone else.

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  • SavageCySavageCy Parts UnknownMembers  173WRX Points: 106Handicap: 6Posts: 173 Fairways
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    Rory had the more consistent and therefore better season. Top 10 finishes in 14 of 19 (74%) with 3 wins (0 majors) vs Brooks 9 of 21(43%) with 3 wins (1 major). He also was ahead of Brooks in several other cats from SG tee to green, SG putting, scrambling etc. Numbers don't lie, Rory is POY and for good reason not sure what all the fuss is about.

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    Rory would trade his wins for Brooks' wins (because of the Major). Brooks would not trade his wins and major for Rory's wins.

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    On -, @imakaveli said:

    We are putting Rory in the discussion because of the gazillions he won at the Tour Championship. Would they have been 2M$ nobody would have cared. 1, 10, or 100m$ doesn't differ. Rory is richer, but Brooks played better.

    Statistics would disagree with you

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    On -, @straightshot7 said:

    Rory would trade his wins for Brooks' wins (because of the Major). Brooks would not trade his wins and major for Rory's wins.

    Is that what they told you?

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    the PGA TOUR award is a purely subjective exercise...
    ..and it shows just how much the players value or respect Brooks..
    I liken it to a "all other things being equal..' situation..

    unfair to Brooks..but it is what it is..

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    On -, @SavageCy said:

    Rory had the more consistent and therefore better season. Top 10 finishes in 14 of 19 (74%) with 3 wins (0 majors) vs Brooks 9 of 21(43%) with 3 wins (1 major). He also was ahead of Brooks in several other cats from SG tee to green, SG putting, scrambling etc. Numbers don't lie, Rory is POY and for good reason not sure what all the fuss is about.

    Brooks was top 5 in four majors, only four other guys have ever done this (and won one). It's ridiculous that someone would be in this company and lose POY because someone else was in a few more top 10s.

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    On -, @cdnglf said:

    On -, @straightshot7 said:

    Rory would trade his wins for Brooks' wins (because of the Major). Brooks would not trade his wins and major for Rory's wins.

    Is that what they told you?

    Yes. In our group text. Tiger is also in there.

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    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @straightshot7 said:

    Rory would trade his wins for Brooks' wins (because of the Major). Brooks would not trade his wins and major for Rory's wins.

    No way Rory would trade the Players and Tour Championship for the PGA

    I dunno, he very likely might. Another major propels him up the all time accomplishment list. Another 15 million wont change his lifestyle dramatically. This is a kid who signed a massive deal with Nike that put him up there with legends of the game in other sports.

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    I have been playing golf for 61 years and have always felt and believed that winning Majors was the epitome of a golfers career..

    even today the atmosphere and anticipation for the majors is unlike any of the other tournaments including that of the so-called 5th major..

    these wannabe events--ie--the Players. Tour Championship, Fedex Cup etc...--have only MONEY as their main attraction ..
    imho they still do not and will never command the respect nor recognition given to the 4 Majors and hope it remains that way..

    but that's just me..

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    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @straightshot7 said:

    Rory would trade his wins for Brooks' wins (because of the Major). Brooks would not trade his wins and major for Rory's wins.

    No way Rory would trade the Players and Tour Championship for the PGA

    It's The Players, RBC Canadian Open, Tour Championship VS. THE CJ CUP @ NINE BRIDGES, PGA Championship, World Golf Championships-FedEx St. Jude Invitational

    20 years from now they will both have more money than they need, and the title of PGA Championship is the most important out of that group.

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