Best Driver of 2019 | Full Article _HERE_ | Discussion Thread _HERE_

Majors: Will We See a Change to the Current 4?

SkiSchoolProSkiSchoolPro Members Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited Aug 26, 2019 1:31pm in Tour Talk #1

Most seem to accept that the current 4 majors are what everyone will always accept as the major titles in golf BUT I think there are 3 important things to remember:
1. When some historical pros won their "Major" titles, these titles were not necessarily considered majors.
2. Some titles that were considered majors years ago are little more than a footnote today.
3. The PGA Tour would love to own/control 1 or more majors.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men's_major_golf_championships#History for an interesting read on the history of Majors.
Regarding #1 above- Is it less worthy to win a major title when you did not have the pressure of knowing it was a major?

@agolf1 said:
The PGA and it's major status is the one that will be remembered most years from now.

«134

Comments

  • PowderedToastManPowderedToastMan Members Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Well, I suppose there is precedent for majors changing. However, that was in the early days of the professional game. The current majors have been firmly in place since the tour was established and professional golf surpassed the amateur game.

    The tour could try to establish a 5th major, like the LPGA, though traditionalists would go crazy over that and history books would be retroactively changed, unless a new event was created. Won’t happen any time soon, unless the tour starts recognizing FedEx Cup winners as a major win. With the stakes the tour puts on the FedEx cup, it’s the only event I see them putting major labels on in the near future.

    In the event we lose one of the four existing majors: I suppose the members at Augusta National could decide they are done with their yearly invitational. Extremely unlikely, but technically possible.

    Only reasonable way I see majors changing is if an organization like the USGA, R&A, PGA of America or ANGC is caught breaking the law in some years long scheme or something like that. Something that forces them to call their big tournament quits and create a void for the Players Championship or FedEx Cup to be one of the four.

    Former professional golfer. Current amateur human being. Reformed club ho.

    In the bag:

    PING. Lots of PING.
  • dlygrissedlygrisse KansasMembers Posts: 13,515 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    No. Seems someone always starts this thread every few months, with the same conclusion. Why even discuss it, whats the point? the majors are the majors. would you rather have the LPGA system, or the "Champions Tour" system where they change every few years and no one really knows what's what? It would be ridiculous.

    I pick 14 of the following:
    Ping G400
    Callaway Epic Flash 3w 
    Ping G410 5 and 7 wood
    Callaway Apex 23*
    Ping G 4-U
    Ping Glide 2.0 Stealth 54, 58 SS or Vokey M Grind 58
    Grips NDMC +4
    Odyssey Pro #1 black
    Jones Utility
    ProV1x-mostly
    ECCO Biom Hybrid 3
  • OldTomMorrisOldTomMorris Edinburgh, ScotlandMembers Posts: 3,056 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I sincerely hope it remains intact as it is but point 3 is the worry form as the PGA Tour appears to becoming even more powerful. Recent innovations (new major schedule, handicapped PGA Tour events, return of Olympic golf) in the game show that anything is possible.

    Titleist 910D3 8.5°
    TaylorMade M3 15°
    Titleist CB (710) 3-PW
    Callaway Mack Daddy 4 Chrome 54° S Grind & 58° C Grind
    Scotty Cameron Studio Select Newport 2
    Titleist Pro V 1x
  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

  • SkiSchoolProSkiSchoolPro Members Posts: 784 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 26, 2019 2:21pm #7

    @OldTomMorris said:
    I sincerely hope it remains intact as it is but point 3 is the worry form as the PGA Tour appears to becoming even more powerful. Recent innovations (new major schedule, handicapped PGA Tour events, return of Olympic golf) in the game show that anything is possible.

    For the record, I am NOT saying that I advocate a change, but agree with @OldTomMorris
    I also find it interesting that people like to point to history, but tend to only look at fairly recent history. To pick up on @Ferguson's theme, many skier's snow expectations tend to go up AFTER a couple big snow years and down after a lean year or two...very few seem to look at trends and longer periods.

  • MountainGoatMountainGoat Mid-MarylandMembers Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 26, 2019 2:26pm #8

    @Ferguson said:
    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    I appear to have crossed some life threshold from whence there is no return, because I have no idea what this means.

    For my part, I'm losing touch with what makes a golf tournament a Major. I used to think that a Major was a tournament where all the best players appeared and was, therefore, the hardest to win. That's not so true anymore. Then, I thought a Major was a tournament that represented the best version of a distinct style of golf. So, someone who won all four was the golfer with the best total command of the game. I don't think that's necessarily true, either. So, what makes a Major a Major other than the fact that someone called them that 60 years ago?

  • TMoakley1547TMoakley1547 Members Posts: 142 ✭✭✭

    I could see the PGA Tour adding a tournament, or giving a current tournament (The Players, probably) and giving it "Major" status. But it would feel forced im sure, kind of like the FedEx Cup.

    I dont see it happening, but you never know these days.

  • disco111disco111 Members Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ferguson said:
    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    Oh wow man, that's like totally far out dude, even tubular with some narley thrown in...............most cool mi amigo.........

  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @disco111 said:

    @Ferguson said:
    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    Oh wow man, that's like totally far out dude, even tubular with some narley thrown in...............most cool mi amigo.........

    I can't believe I forgot to drop in at least one amigo.

  • daleheaddalehead Members Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Ferguson said:
    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    Google Translate was no help to me.

  • daleheaddalehead Members Posts: 1,587 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    The best reason for not changing the majors is number 3. The PGA Tour should never control a major. Despite what they think the Tour is not golf. It is a small, tight knit organization whose main goal is to make as much money for themselves as possible. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but golf is much more. Fortunately major status is not given by decree from the Tour, as witnessed by the status of the Players.

    Not to get on a soap box or anything, but we are golf. The folks who buy the equipment, pay the greens fees, go to and watch the tournaments. We get to decide what is a major. I vote for keeping things as they are.

  • davep043davep043 Members Posts: 3,627 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @TMoakley1547 said:
    I could see the PGA Tour adding a tournament, or giving a current tournament (The Players, probably) and giving it "Major" status. But it would feel forced im sure, kind of like the FedEx Cup.

    I dont see it happening, but you never know these days.

    The PGA Tour has been pushing the Players as the "5th major" for decades, and the media hasn't bought in. And as the wiki article mentions, the idea of the Majors was really a media invention, fueled perhaps by Arnold Palmer and Bob Drum. Coincidentally, Palmer's rising fame came around the same time as televised golf started becoming popular. So my guess, we'll see a change in the "majors" when the media becomes convinced we should have a change.

  • Brass_BullseyeBrass_Bullseye BrassBullseye Members Posts: 351 ✭✭✭✭

    @Ferguson said:

    @dalehead said:

    @Ferguson said:
    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    Google Translate was no help to me.

    The OP is a skier. To show him I was down with his OP, I offered a mélange of ski terms.

    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    Planker: Skier
    Stomped: to ski a tough line without falling
    Steezy: A combination of the words ‘style’ and ‘ease’ to describe the elegance of skier (or golfer in this case)
    Ripper: an accomplished skier
    Yard Sale: A huge wipeout, wreck, or crash that causes all your ski belongings, boards, poles, hat and goggles, to be scattered about the slopes is jokingly referred to as a yard sale.
    Green Parka: green jacket
    Pow Pow: newly fallen fresh powder, short for powder
    Gnarly: something totally wild, crazy or “sick”
    Death Cookies: Cookie size chunks of ice formed after snowmaking
    Dudes: men
    Amigo: friend, bra, bro
    Roars: Rory
    Bruce: Brooks
    Apres-golf: “after golf” think of 19th hole activities
    Liftie: Ski lift operator (golf cart)
    Tracked out: perfect fresh snow that’s been ridden over leaving no fresh areas for plankers

    There’s nothing funnier than a word by word explanation of the joke...

    Titleist TS2 Driver,
    Titleist 915F 3W
    Titleist 915H 2H
    Titleist 716 CB irons 3-PW
    Titleist SM6 Vokey Wedges, 52.08F, 56.08M
    Odyssey O-Works Red #7
  • tideridertiderider Members Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 26, 2019 5:43pm #17

    lol ... OP's been out on the slopes the past 15 years ... not that there's anything wrong with that ...

    Post edited by tiderider on
  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Brass_Bullseye said:

    @Ferguson said:

    @dalehead said:

    @Ferguson said:
    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    Google Translate was no help to me.

    The OP is a skier. To show him I was down with his OP, I offered a mélange of ski terms.

    Plankers know Tiger stomped the Masters this year. He was like a steezy ripper on the back nine. His opponents were left in a yard sale when he took the green parka. The majors are not like a run on pow pow. They are full of gnarly death cookies, dude. These dudes, like Roars and Bruce sit around apres-golf. John Daly was looking for liftie in the majors and only found one. Adding a major or changing a major would be like being tracked out, man.

    Planker: Skier
    Stomped: to ski a tough line without falling
    Steezy: A combination of the words ‘style’ and ‘ease’ to describe the elegance of skier (or golfer in this case)
    Ripper: an accomplished skier
    Yard Sale: A huge wipeout, wreck, or crash that causes all your ski belongings, boards, poles, hat and goggles, to be scattered about the slopes is jokingly referred to as a yard sale.
    Green Parka: green jacket
    Pow Pow: newly fallen fresh powder, short for powder
    Gnarly: something totally wild, crazy or “sick”
    Death Cookies: Cookie size chunks of ice formed after snowmaking
    Dudes: men
    Amigo: friend, bra, bro
    Roars: Rory
    Bruce: Brooks
    Apres-golf: “after golf” think of 19th hole activities
    Liftie: Ski lift operator (golf cart)
    Tracked out: perfect fresh snow that’s been ridden over leaving no fresh areas for plankers

    There’s nothing funnier than a word by word explanation of the joke...

  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Countdown to The Open Championship! IowaClubWRX Posts: 18,402 ClubWRX
    edited Aug 26, 2019 5:33pm #19

    LOL, I get my golf history from a wealth of sources, the titles of which don't start with "Wiki".

    Silly thread, is this the 3rd or 4th time been brought up on here in one form or another (probably more) just in the last six months?

    Nothing new in the OP that hasn't been known since Deane Beman ran things and nothing even remotely suggesting there would be any change, call to change, spare change, etc.

  • Skaffa77Skaffa77 No place like the Sand Hills! ClubWRX Posts: 6,897 ClubWRX

    Seeing how the FedEx Cup has continued to change and adapt and yet still doesn't quite capture the same attention, prestige or significance amongst players, media or fans...I would leave the existing, working formula of 4 set majors as is. Adding another major just waters down the significance of the existing majors and IMO will not yield more fan viewership in the long run. Replacing a major (especially The Masters) will create a ton of pushback and controversy amongst players, fans and media. Don't fix something that isn't screwed up.

  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,894 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I’d love to see a 5th. But. It needs to be the US AM again.

    Ping G410  11.2* Tensei pro OrangeV2 proto 70TX 
    Ping G410 15.5* Graphite Design ADDI 8x
    Ping G410 21* ADDI 105x 
    Ping Blueprint  4-PW   Modus 130X 
    Ping Glide Forged  50  54 60 s400
    Spider X Tour Armlock.  42 inch with jumbo max 17 inch  grip.   


  • Oliver KlozoffOliver Klozoff Members Posts: 247 ✭✭✭
    edited Aug 26, 2019 6:02pm #22

    We were talking about this the other day. The Masters, British Open, and US Open are pretty much locked in stone. They are majors and that isn't changing.

    The PGA was rendered irrelevant this year by moving up on the calendar. It was already lagging, but when it was the last of the 4 majors on the schedule it had a place as a way to sneak in a major and make someone's year. Now it seems lost. It's a bit relevant in Grand Slam talk now. But other than that it's not of much interest. And the Tour had already failed trying to make the Players the 5th major. But this year end Fed Ex Cup in the current format. Now that's got some chances to take the place of the PGA. I don't think you can give players a head start in a major though. Nor can it be at Least Lake every year. Interesting discussions about it though. My guess is they find a way to move the PGA date back to where it was in a few years. Who knows. Rose is right that the majors were too compressed though.

  • widow-makerwidow-maker Members Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Oliver Klozoff said:
    We were talking about this the other day. The Masters, British Open, and US Open are pretty much locked in stone. They are majors and that isn't changing.

    The PGA was rendered irrelevant this year by moving up on the calendar. It was already lagging, but when it was the last of the 4 majors on the schedule it had a place as a way to sneak in a major and make someone's year. Now it seems lost. It's a bit relevant in Grand Slam talk now. But other than that it's not of much interest. And the Tour had already failed trying to make the Players the 5th major. But this year end Fed Ex Cup in the current format. Now that's got some chances to take the place of the PGA. I don't think you can give players a head start in a major though. Nor can it be at Least Lake every year. Interesting discussions about it though. My guess is they find a way to move the PGA date back to where it was in a few years. Who knows. Rose is right that the majors were too compressed though.

    How in the world can the FedEx Cup ever hope to be a major when the players start the Tournament on uneven levels. One guy is 10 under at the start of play and you want the results of the Tournament to be a Major Championship?

    I don't think they should have moved the PGA Championship, but they've got the right 4 Tournaments that hold Major status. No reason to change a thing. It works well as it is. They're run by different organizations and that's part of what sets them apart from a regular Tour event. No reason to dilute it by adding another and no reason to change out one for another. What point would it make if you made the Players Championship a Major and took the designation away from the PGA Championship? It would mean nothing other than a money grab by some entity that thinks it has the power to do it.

    Nobody is in charge of determining what is and what isn't a Major. It happened organically and it's just the way it is. The PGA Tour isn't in charge of determining what is and what isn't a Major. It's not theirs to control.

  • nichhonichho Members Posts: 2,003 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @TMoakley1547 said:
    I could see the PGA Tour adding a tournament, or giving a current tournament (The Players, probably) and giving it "Major" status. But it would feel forced im sure, kind of like the FedEx Cup.

    I dont see it happening, but you never know these days.

    If the PGA Tour give the Players "major" status then perhaps the European Tour will give one of their events "major" status, who knows, perhaps the Scottish Open. The Aussies might want a piece of the action as well seeing how their national championship pre-dates the players by 70 years or the French which is 71 years older, or the South African or even China, not very old but they just might fancy adding major to the title, why not if that is the criteria.

    Callaway Rogue UST Recoil 
    Srixon Z H65 2h Myazaki Kaula
    Srixon Z H65 3h Myazaki Kaula
    Mizuno MP4 4-PW TTDG
    Japanese Tour Forged AW
    Taylormade EF Spin 56 KBS Wedge
    Vokey SM6 60 KBS Sinner
    Mizuno T105
  • MtlJeffMtlJeff MontrealMembers Posts: 28,705 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    If we have pro golf another 100 years, I would bet on the current structure of majors changing rather than staying the same . Over time things tend to change. Hard to believe Asia wont have a major at some point

    So yes, just not any time very soon

    Ping G400 Max 10 w/ Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Epic Subzero 14* w/Matrix Black Tie 80
    Callaway Apex Hybrid 20 w/S300
    Ping G410 4-SW w/S300
    Callaway MD 2.0 60 PM grind w/S300
    Odyssey O-works Red Tank #7
  • tideridertiderider Members Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I hereby decree that the John Deere Classic be taken as Major by all parties concerned herein, and any such perception to the contrary result in banishment from all civilizations, regardless of philosophical origin, accompanied by a pox on every facet of said individual's game.

    it really, really doesn't work like that, but go ahead and give it a try with whatever event you're enamored with ...

  • raynorfan1raynorfan1 Members Posts: 3,686 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    I suspect that if it sticks (and they get the format right), the Olympics will come to achieve 'major' status in the same way that it has in tennis (and other sports). Career accomplishments for guys like Andy Murray are always going to be: three grand slams and two gold medals. Always mentioned in the same breath.

  • Night trainNight train Members Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 27, 2019 1:21am #28

    The PGA of America has 29,000 members............they are the foundation of golf. They manage our courses, run our tournaments, teach our kids, help us decide on equipment,.............the list goes on! They deserve their major..........they are golfs true ambassadors!

  • disco111disco111 Members Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    The original grand slam / majors of golf were the Open/US open/British AM/US AM. The Am's were removed when the pro game came to be. Then we had the Western Open, which was considered a major by the players of that time period and that also was disregarded and another took it's place. It was either the Masters or the PGA, not sure which, but again, a change was made. Now the 4 current Majors have been around for some time, but the game itself has evolved and grown world wide. Perhaps every national open championship could/should be considered a major, as some are older than the Masters and the PGA. After all, it was the press at the time who coined the term "Major" and it took off from there. Perhaps it's time to put the record of majors aside and start a new majors chapter with many new national majors. Since IMO records should be broken on an equal basis, the advent of new equipment/balls has changed the game significantly and therefor it's not on equal status with how the record was established. It's like when Babe Ruth's home run record was eclipsed by Maris. He played 8 more games during the season than Ruth, so he really didn't break the record at the same level. The Bonds and McGuire era can be compared to today's golf with it's new and vastly improved balls and equipment, not to mention the enhanced physical abilities through modern chemistry. Just thinking out of the box, knowing that this will never happen, but should it?

  • Johnny BiarritzJohnny Biarritz Members Posts: 521 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Night train said:
    The PGA of America has 29,000 members............they are the foundation of golf. They manage our courses, run our tournaments, teach our kids, help us decide on equipment,.............the list goes on! They deserve their major..........they are golfs true ambassadors!

    Members are great, the organization is a joke. I'm constantly annoyed that they take away club pro spots in the PGA Championship. It was 50, now down to 20. All because they want to be the "strongest field." As if anyone cares. Now they move to May in a desperate search to be more relevant. Sorry, they're never going to be more than the 4th Major. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Own it. Give a ton of spots to club pros. How much would that help the game? I think it would help a bunch. Grow their clubs, their business, everything. One of my best friends in golf, I was a member at his club, got lessons from him for a while...I got the first lesson because I'd seen his name in the papers after he played in the 2001 PGA Championship. Sorry if some jobroni 101st on the money list gets bumped out of the event...he already wasn't eligible for The Masters anyway.

  • CattyCatty AustraliaMembers Posts: 40 ✭✭

    Should be Us Open, the Open, Masters and the Australian open as the 4 Majors.

    [font=helvetica, arial, sans-serif]Titleist D905
    Titleist Tour Model 2 thru PW
    Titleist Vokey 52, 56
    Scotty Cameron Newport
    [/font]

Leave a Comment

BoldItalicStrikethroughOrdered listUnordered list
Emoji
Image
Align leftAlign centerAlign rightToggle HTML viewToggle full pageToggle lights
Drop image/file