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  • Man_O_WarMan_O_War Members  3706WRX Points: 704Posts: 3,706 Titanium Tees
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    what makes a person the best driver ...ever?
    hitting it long and fairways mostly?
    Or keeping it in play to have a shot at a second shot even if it means being in the rough? Noman didn't think Nicklaus was such a great driver of the ball, but Nicklaus probably managed his driver misses better than most. It's a tough one to answer... could be a short knocker who was always in the fairway...

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  • jmcf1949jmcf1949 Members  91WRX Points: 71Posts: 91 Fairways
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    Jack drove the ball roughly 363 in a practice round of the NCAA Championships in 1959 or 1960 at the University of Michigan Golf Course. The hole plays downhill with a pond fronting the green so he didn't use driver for the event. He used his three wood.

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    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    Jack drove the ball roughly 363 in a practice round of the NCAA Championships in 1959 or 1960 at the University of Michigan Golf Course. The hole plays downhill with a pond fronting the green so he didn't use driver for the event. He used his three wood.

    so 210 carry and the rest roll?

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  • Golf ScientistGolf Scientist Members  185WRX Points: 76Handicap: 1Posts: 185 Fairways
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    On -, @Night train said:

    I never got to see Hogan and very little of Sam Sneed. Jack was a very impressive driver of the ball in his prime...........dominant is the word that comes to mind, he had a reserve that was incredible. I thought Greg Norman was incredible with the driver.................I think Rory has taken it up another notch, watching him hit driver is simply a display of grace, power and accuracy the game has never seen. His game has weak spots...........the driver isn't one of them!

    I didn't see Hogan or Snead live, but I feel like from everything I've seen of them they were both better know for their irons than their driving ability. I like Mcilroy and his swing, but I feel like he hits a lot more wayward drives into bad spots in rough and on wrong sides (as demonstrated in the first round on this year's BMW PGA in Europe). Norman would have the occasional block (like in the 86 Masters), but I feel like he was a better combination of distance and accuracy. Both Norman and Rory have impressed their peers with the way their ball sounds when it's hit, and how well they can play when they're on. I remember stories about Vjay talking about how the ball sounded like it was coming out of a cannon when he heard Norman hit the ball for the first time in person. I also remember the talk by Norman's playing partners during his 1993 British Open Championship win, and 1994 Players Championship. I wish there was still footage of Norman's entire Player's Championship victory. I saw the clip of Marice Alan (long drive world champion) reacting to seeing Mcilroy play live. When you can impress the types of golfers Norman and Rory have impressed that says something about their skills.

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    Greg Norman and 2nd place is very distant.

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    On -, @lowheel said:

    That video was before he rebuilt his swing with Butch Harmon. I believe his 90's swing was much superior to the one in the video.

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  • CattyCatty AustraliaMembers  109WRX Points: 82Handicap: 6.3Posts: 109 Fairways
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    I’ll 100th vote Norman. Loved his swing. His putting technique annoyed me but who cares about that in a driving thread.

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  • YuckYuck Fore! Members  2677WRX Points: 312Posts: 2,677 Titanium Tees
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    Not the best driver ever, but the best driver performance in a major I ever saw was Angel Cabrera at Oakmont.

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    On -, @caniac6 said:

    Richard Petty

    ROTFLMAO!!!---- Probably a lot on here do not know who he is much less how many races he won--- Gotta agree if you go off of wins he is the one

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    On -, @Yuck said:

    Not the best driver ever, but the best driver performance in a major I ever saw was Angel Cabrera at Oakmont.

    Cabrera hit 48% of his fairways at Oakmont in 2007 and was T48 in driving accuracy. 27 of 56 fairways. 9 of 28 in the final 2 rounds.

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    On -, @Yuck said:

    Not the best driver ever, but the best driver performance in a major I ever saw was Angel Cabrera at Oakmont.

    that drive on the 18th was such a message to the course and field. 355 down the middle

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    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    Jack drove the ball roughly 363 in a practice round of the NCAA Championships in 1959 or 1960 at the University of Michigan Golf Course. The hole plays downhill with a pond fronting the green so he didn't use driver for the event. He used his three wood.

    so 210 carry and the rest roll?

    Carried roughly 315 or so.

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    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    Jack drove the ball roughly 363 in a practice round of the NCAA Championships in 1959 or 1960 at the University of Michigan Golf Course. The hole plays downhill with a pond fronting the green so he didn't use driver for the event. He used his three wood.

    so 210 carry and the rest roll?

    Carried roughly 315 or so.

    It’s incredible how some people here just can’t accept that Jack hit the ball massive distances in his day.

    so he only got 48 yards of roll down hill?

    he was very long...but there is also a lot of exaggeration on his prowess. Like Jack said himself., he never missed a 4 footer..i've seen him miss shorter than that

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    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    Jack drove the ball roughly 363 in a practice round of the NCAA Championships in 1959 or 1960 at the University of Michigan Golf Course. The hole plays downhill with a pond fronting the green so he didn't use driver for the event. He used his three wood.

    so 210 carry and the rest roll?

    Carried roughly 315 or so.

    It’s incredible how some people here just can’t accept that Jack hit the ball massive distances in his day.

    so he only got 48 yards of roll down hill?

    he was very long...but there is also a lot of exaggeration on his prowess. Like Jack said himself., he never missed a 4 footer..i've seen him miss shorter than that

    very rarely when it counted ...

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    On -, @tiderider said:

    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    Jack drove the ball roughly 363 in a practice round of the NCAA Championships in 1959 or 1960 at the University of Michigan Golf Course. The hole plays downhill with a pond fronting the green so he didn't use driver for the event. He used his three wood.

    so 210 carry and the rest roll?

    Carried roughly 315 or so.

    It’s incredible how some people here just can’t accept that Jack hit the ball massive distances in his day.

    so he only got 48 yards of roll down hill?

    he was very long...but there is also a lot of exaggeration on his prowess. Like Jack said himself., he never missed a 4 footer..i've seen him miss shorter than that

    very rarely when it counted ...

    Which putts didn’t count? Was there a gimme rule in the 1960s?

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    On -, @Golf Scientist said:

    On -, @Night train said:

    I never got to see Hogan and very little of Sam Sneed. Jack was a very impressive driver of the ball in his prime...........dominant is the word that comes to mind, he had a reserve that was incredible. I thought Greg Norman was incredible with the driver.................I think Rory has taken it up another notch, watching him hit driver is simply a display of grace, power and accuracy the game has never seen. His game has weak spots...........the driver isn't one of them!

    I didn't see Hogan or Snead live, but I feel like from everything I've seen of them they were both better know for their irons than their driving ability. I like Mcilroy and his swing, but I feel like he hits a lot more wayward drives into bad spots in rough and on wrong sides (as demonstrated in the first round on this year's BMW PGA in Europe). Norman would have the occasional block (like in the 86 Masters), but I feel like he was a better combination of distance and accuracy. Both Norman and Rory have impressed their peers with the way their ball sounds when it's hit, and how well they can play when they're on. I remember stories about Vjay talking about how the ball sounded like it was coming out of a cannon when he heard Norman hit the ball for the first time in person. I also remember the talk by Norman's playing partners during his 1993 British Open Championship win, and 1994 Players Championship. I wish there was still footage of Norman's entire Player's Championship victory. I saw the clip of Marice Alan (long drive world champion) reacting to seeing Mcilroy play live. When you can impress the types of golfers Norman and Rory have impressed that says something about their skills.

    Samuel Jackson Snead was a very fine driver of the ball, perhaps one of, if not the best, ever. He often played his brassie (2-wood) for position in the fairway.

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    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @LICC said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    On -, @Man_O_War said:

    On -, @jmcf1949 said:

    Jack drove the ball roughly 363 in a practice round of the NCAA Championships in 1959 or 1960 at the University of Michigan Golf Course. The hole plays downhill with a pond fronting the green so he didn't use driver for the event. He used his three wood.

    so 210 carry and the rest roll?

    Carried roughly 315 or so.

    It’s incredible how some people here just can’t accept that Jack hit the ball massive distances in his day.

    so he only got 48 yards of roll down hill?

    he was very long...but there is also a lot of exaggeration on his prowess. Like Jack said himself., he never missed a 4 footer..i've seen him miss shorter than that

    I'm going by my estimation, I was there with my older brother. Remember back then the fairways weren't nearly as firm and fast as those on tour today.

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  • golfer07840golfer07840 Smart ass from Northwest NJMembers  2050WRX Points: 445Handicap: 15.3Posts: 2,050 Platinum Tees
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    The best driver right now is clearly Lewis Hamilton

    I'll show myself out now

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    It’s jack, Johnny Miller or weiskopf...

    i am intransigent on this....Norman 4th

    trevino if I want fairways but he hit it pretty low...which is necessary at Tennison where he cut his teeth...

    -Chris

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    So what was Jack's SS? Isn't this something we can deduce based on performance characteristics of the clubs from his era and find his SS based on 340-360 yard drives with high spin?

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    Byron Nelson ?

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    I remember reading somewhere carl welty theorizing after slowing down film frame rates it was in line with the big hitters he was famous for filming ( norman, couples, love et al. ) just like a brooks or dj today 120+ 125 when he needed it on a par 5.

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    That's about what I would expect, would be tough to get 350+ unless it's downhill, down wind, at elevation with a balata at 125 SS, wouldn't it? (I really don't know, those were before my time)

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  • mahoniemahonie EnglandMembers  3036WRX Points: 610Handicap: 11Posts: 3,036 Titanium Tees
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    Nicklaus in 1970 driving through the green at the 18th. 354 yards downwind but uphill:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pPicaKToelM

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    I dont think there's much doubt about his top-end speed. Certainly not super-human, but definitely would be one of the very fastest swingers in the current game with modern equipment for sure.

    IMO, the thing that made him such a great driver was that he had tremendous control and could place the ball as needed with a combo of distance (when required) and accuracy as well as anyone, using strategy to dissect the course like a chess game. Bomb & gouge didn't really exist in that era as the ball and equipment didnt lend itself to that style. Jack did what he had to do, with what he had to do it with, better than anyone ever has with the big stick.

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