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  • BaddsBadds Members Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:
    The guy quit on his team 2 weeks before the beginning of the season and people praise him? If he wanted out he should have made that decision in February. It's not the decision that's the problem it's the timing.

    "His" team? The operation, owned by the Irsay family is valued at a couple billion, has a roster payroll of $200 million or so, all organized under a collective bargaining agreement.

    It is the most mercenary thing in sports, right after Major League Baseball and the English Premier League.

    How does anyone root for an NFL franchise like it was their undergraduate alma mater?

    I have a lot more respect for my favorite professional team than the university from which I received my bachelors degree or my law degree. If you want to do a comparison, universities exploit athletes much more than professional teams.

    I’m not talking about “exploitation” per se.

    I just don’t have any interest in the NFL and I cannot understand why anybody would. But that’s just me. People are allowed to like the NFL if that is their thing. I suppose.

    I hate the NFL because of what it is doing to football and most particularly college football, which I do love. I really wonder what sort of CTE problems there might be if everyone stopped playing football after college and no one had an 8-10 year career of 3 preseason games, 16 regular season games and some odd number of playoff games.

    Not suggesting “exploitation” in that. Certainly not when the players elect to play, under elaborately negotiated professional contracts.

    But for me there is absolutely nothing redeeming about the NFL. And the more that college football becomes “NFL Lite,” the more it is degraded.

    We'll agree to disagree then. I find almost nothing interesting about college football other than thinking about players who will be good enough to play in the NFL.

  • the700levelthe700level Members Posts: 369 ✭✭✭✭

    @puttfordoux said:
    https://www.golftipsmag.com/andrew-luck-offers-a-lesson-for-golf-fans-too/
    t's been said that Luck, by retiring, may possibly be giving up close to a half-a-billion dollars

    Where did this number come from? Lost endorsements?

  • cdnglfcdnglf Members Posts: 3,475 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @the700level said:

    @puttfordoux said:
    https://www.golftipsmag.com/andrew-luck-offers-a-lesson-for-golf-fans-too/
    t's been said that Luck, by retiring, may possibly be giving up close to a half-a-billion dollars

    Where did this number come from? Lost endorsements?

    Top QBs now make more than $30M/year in salary. Assuming that continues to climb, and he had played another decade+, a half billion isn’t crazy.

  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    The lesson is mamas don't let your babies grow up to be football players. Make them play golf.

    swing is irrelevant, score is everything

    just say NO.... to practice swings
  • Rory4PresRory4Pres Members Posts: 1,044 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @cdnglf said:

    @the700level said:

    @puttfordoux said:
    https://www.golftipsmag.com/andrew-luck-offers-a-lesson-for-golf-fans-too/
    t's been said that Luck, by retiring, may possibly be giving up close to a half-a-billion dollars

    Where did this number come from? Lost endorsements?

    Top QBs now make more than $30M/year in salary. Assuming that continues to climb, and he had played another decade+, a half billion isn’t crazy.

    What's half a billion gonna do when you can't get out of bed. Spending the rest of your life as a rich vegetable sounds pretty awful.

    What's really amazing is the team isn't going to recoop the $24.8 million he owes them. That's amazing. I didn't know there was an NFL still with a heart. Lord knows Jerry would seek the $24.8 million plus interest.

  • cdnglfcdnglf Members Posts: 3,475 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 27, 2019 6:34pm #38

    @Darth Putter said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:
    The guy quit on his team 2 weeks before the beginning of the season and people praise him? If he wanted out he should have made that decision in February. It's not the decision that's the problem it's the timing.

    "His" team? The operation, owned by the Irsay family is valued at a couple billion, has a roster payroll of $200 million or so, all organized under a collective bargaining agreement.

    It is the most mercenary thing in sports, right after Major League Baseball and the English Premier League.

    How does anyone root for an NFL franchise like it was their undergraduate alma mater?

    I have a lot more respect for my favorite professional team than the university from which I received my bachelors degree or my law degree. If you want to do a comparison, universities exploit athletes much more than professional teams.

    I’m not talking about “exploitation” per se.

    I just don’t have any interest in the NFL and I cannot understand why anybody would. But that’s just me. People are allowed to like the NFL if that is their thing. I suppose.

    I hate the NFL because of what it is doing to football and most particularly college football, which I do love. I really wonder what sort of CTE problems there might be if everyone stopped playing football after college and no one had an 8-10 year career of 3 preseason games, 16 regular season games and some odd number of playoff games.

    Not suggesting “exploitation” in that. Certainly not when the players elect to play, under elaborately negotiated professional contracts.

    But for me there is absolutely nothing redeeming about the NFL. And the more that college football becomes “NFL Lite,” the more it is degraded.

    We'll agree to disagree then. I find almost nothing interesting about college football other than thinking about players who will be good enough to play in the NFL.

    The NCAA could walk into a three way fight with the IOC and FIFA for the title of "most corrupt and exploitative orginization in sports" and have a credible shot at winning.

    Hobofights.com thinks college football is shady

    Post edited by cdnglf on
  • TingtingTingting Members Posts: 724 ✭✭✭✭✭

    @Rory4Pres said:

    @cdnglf said:

    @the700level said:

    @puttfordoux said:
    https://www.golftipsmag.com/andrew-luck-offers-a-lesson-for-golf-fans-too/
    t's been said that Luck, by retiring, may possibly be giving up close to a half-a-billion dollars

    Where did this number come from? Lost endorsements?

    Top QBs now make more than $30M/year in salary. Assuming that continues to climb, and he had played another decade+, a half billion isn’t crazy.

    What's half a billion gonna do when you can't get out of bed. Spending the rest of your life as a rich vegetable sounds pretty awful.

    What's really amazing is the team isn't going to recoop the $24.8 million he owes them. That's amazing. I didn't know there was an NFL still with a heart. Lord knows Jerry would seek the $24.8 million plus interest.

    It's probably the same amount that should have been invested with a good o line.

  • JohnnyCashForeverJohnnyCashForever From this day on, the official language of San Marcos will be Swedish. PAMembers Posts: 369 ✭✭✭✭

    @15th Club said:

    I hate the NFL because of what it is doing to football and most particularly college football, which I do love. I really wonder what sort of CTE problems there might be if everyone stopped playing football after college and no one had an 8-10 year career of 3 preseason games, 16 regular season games and some odd number of playoff games.

    Aaron Hernandez had stage 3 CTE when he died. He was 27. It is most likely he started to develop CTE when he was in college or possibly in high school.

    If you're "really" wondering about the CTE problem, be careful. It might lead you to South Bend, Ann Arbor, Columbus, Knoxville, Tuscaloosa, Athens, Gainesville, Palo Alto, Austin, Clemson, and everywhere in between.

  • FergusonFerguson Members Posts: 5,182 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Only the "dimmest" bulbs in the pack let themselves be exploited.

  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Why is this in tour talk?

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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:
    The guy quit on his team 2 weeks before the beginning of the season and people praise him? If he wanted out he should have made that decision in February. It's not the decision that's the problem it's the timing.

    "His" team? The operation, owned by the Irsay family is valued at a couple billion, has a roster payroll of $200 million or so, all organized under a collective bargaining agreement.

    It is the most mercenary thing in sports, right after Major League Baseball and the English Premier League.

    How does anyone root for an NFL franchise like it was their undergraduate alma mater?

    I have a lot more respect for my favorite professional team than the university from which I received my bachelors degree or my law degree. If you want to do a comparison, universities exploit athletes much more than professional teams.

    I’m not talking about “exploitation” per se.

    I just don’t have any interest in the NFL and I cannot understand why anybody would. But that’s just me. People are allowed to like the NFL if that is their thing. I suppose.

    I hate the NFL because of what it is doing to football and most particularly college football, which I do love. I really wonder what sort of CTE problems there might be if everyone stopped playing football after college and no one had an 8-10 year career of 3 preseason games, 16 regular season games and some odd number of playoff games.

    Not suggesting “exploitation” in that. Certainly not when the players elect to play, under elaborately negotiated professional contracts.

    But for me there is absolutely nothing redeeming about the NFL. And the more that college football becomes “NFL Lite,” the more it is degraded.

    We'll agree to disagree then. I find almost nothing interesting about college football other than thinking about players who will be good enough to play in the NFL.

    Try being an SEC fan. Will change your tune ( sorry man. I had to ).

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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 27, 2019 7:48pm #44

    @Darth Putter said:
    The lesson is mamas don't let your babies grow up to be football players. Make them play golf.

    Only sport my boy can’t play. And it kills me in a way to tell him no. He’s 5ft5 125lb just turned 11 year old wearing a men’s 10 shoe . And he’s quick. . . I don’t want to see him as a vegetable. I may finally have him fully hooked on golf. With basketball in the winter.

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  • golfer07840golfer07840 Smart ass from Northwest NJMembers Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Opinions are my own and are never to be taken seriously.
    and for God's sake, if you're going to whine about Jim Nantz, have the respect to spell his name correctly.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    My opinion. If I decided to retire ( hard choice ) and my home crowd booed me. I’d know then and there i made the correct choice.

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  • golfer07840golfer07840 Smart ass from Northwest NJMembers Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @bladehunter said:
    Good for him. NFL days are numbered anyway.

    Hate to tell ya, but all our days are numbered.

    Opinions are my own and are never to be taken seriously.
    and for God's sake, if you're going to whine about Jim Nantz, have the respect to spell his name correctly.
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  • RyRauRyRau Santa Clarita, CAMembers Posts: 89 ✭✭✭

    I think this will soon be common place among professional athletes. Especially when they have 100 million in the bank at 29 and realize they don’t need to work anymore. Can you really blame them?

  • 15th Club15th Club Members Posts: 1,855 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Darth Putter said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:
    The guy quit on his team 2 weeks before the beginning of the season and people praise him? If he wanted out he should have made that decision in February. It's not the decision that's the problem it's the timing.

    "His" team? The operation, owned by the Irsay family is valued at a couple billion, has a roster payroll of $200 million or so, all organized under a collective bargaining agreement.

    It is the most mercenary thing in sports, right after Major League Baseball and the English Premier League.

    How does anyone root for an NFL franchise like it was their undergraduate alma mater?

    I have a lot more respect for my favorite professional team than the university from which I received my bachelors degree or my law degree. If you want to do a comparison, universities exploit athletes much more than professional teams.

    I’m not talking about “exploitation” per se.

    I just don’t have any interest in the NFL and I cannot understand why anybody would. But that’s just me. People are allowed to like the NFL if that is their thing. I suppose.

    I hate the NFL because of what it is doing to football and most particularly college football, which I do love. I really wonder what sort of CTE problems there might be if everyone stopped playing football after college and no one had an 8-10 year career of 3 preseason games, 16 regular season games and some odd number of playoff games.

    Not suggesting “exploitation” in that. Certainly not when the players elect to play, under elaborately negotiated professional contracts.

    But for me there is absolutely nothing redeeming about the NFL. And the more that college football becomes “NFL Lite,” the more it is degraded.

    We'll agree to disagree then. I find almost nothing interesting about college football other than thinking about players who will be good enough to play in the NFL.

    The NCAA could walk into a three way fight with the IOC and FIFA for the title of "most corrupt and exploitative orginization in sports" and have a credible shot at winning.

    I expect there may be many “sports fans” who agree with you, as there are “sports fans” who think that the PGA is the ruling body of golf. Meanwhile the USGA and the NCAA perform many of the toughest and most thankless jobs.

  • BaddsBadds Members Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 27, 2019 10:07pm #50

    @bladehunter said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @15th Club said:

    @Im_A_Savage said:
    The guy quit on his team 2 weeks before the beginning of the season and people praise him? If he wanted out he should have made that decision in February. It's not the decision that's the problem it's the timing.

    "His" team? The operation, owned by the Irsay family is valued at a couple billion, has a roster payroll of $200 million or so, all organized under a collective bargaining agreement.

    It is the most mercenary thing in sports, right after Major League Baseball and the English Premier League.

    How does anyone root for an NFL franchise like it was their undergraduate alma mater?

    I have a lot more respect for my favorite professional team than the university from which I received my bachelors degree or my law degree. If you want to do a comparison, universities exploit athletes much more than professional teams.

    I’m not talking about “exploitation” per se.

    I just don’t have any interest in the NFL and I cannot understand why anybody would. But that’s just me. People are allowed to like the NFL if that is their thing. I suppose.

    I hate the NFL because of what it is doing to football and most particularly college football, which I do love. I really wonder what sort of CTE problems there might be if everyone stopped playing football after college and no one had an 8-10 year career of 3 preseason games, 16 regular season games and some odd number of playoff games.

    Not suggesting “exploitation” in that. Certainly not when the players elect to play, under elaborately negotiated professional contracts.

    But for me there is absolutely nothing redeeming about the NFL. And the more that college football becomes “NFL Lite,” the more it is degraded.

    We'll agree to disagree then. I find almost nothing interesting about college football other than thinking about players who will be good enough to play in the NFL.

    Try being an SEC fan. Will change your tune ( sorry man. I had to ).

    There likely are SEC players who are paid more than players in the NFL.

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    Eric Dickerson: “The pay cut.”

    Listen, in Texas u bet we pay our college players...or give them jobs in Austin...
    Though now they’ve gone soft and my beloved Longhorns are not a powerhouse anymore...

    -Chris

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  • BicknellCCBicknellCC Members Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Yes,
    and there are also idiots and drunks in every NFL stadium any time a game is played. Here's the video.

  • golfer07840golfer07840 Smart ass from Northwest NJMembers Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BicknellCC said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Yes,
    and there are also idiots and drunks in every NFL stadium any time a game is played. Here's the video.

    Again, from their perspective at that moment, they felt like he quit on them.

    Opinions are my own and are never to be taken seriously.
    and for God's sake, if you're going to whine about Jim Nantz, have the respect to spell his name correctly.
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  • bladehunterbladehunter Today was a good day... south carolinaMembers Posts: 27,888 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @golfer07840 said:

    @BicknellCC said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Yes,
    and there are also idiots and drunks in every NFL stadium any time a game is played. Here's the video.

    Again, from their perspective at that moment, they felt like he quit on them.

    In reality they just quit on him though. Right ? A Boo at home is literally a slap in the face. You cheer a guy you love and respect their decisions and trust that they know what is best for their personal well being. You boo a rented mule you’ve been riding into the ground that decides to lay down and die.

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  • mosesgolfmosesgolf Members Posts: 6,896 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Luck has plenty of money in the bank and he will have no problems finding work. Youngest commentator ever? Kudos to making a wise decision.

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  • straightshot7straightshot7 Members Posts: 3,233 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    Golf fans, standing in the crowd at tournaments, have more in common with Luck. As they are more likely to get a concussion from an incoming golf ball.

  • BaddsBadds Members Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 28, 2019 6:13am #57

    @golfer07840 said:

    @BicknellCC said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Yes,
    and there are also idiots and drunks in every NFL stadium any time a game is played. Here's the video.

    Again, from their perspective at that moment, they felt like he quit on them.

    He did.

    I wouldn't have boo'd the guy. But he quit on them 2 weeks before the opening game.

    Quitter.

    If I was the Colts owner I would have (rightfully) had him pay back a pro-rated portion of his bonus. It's insane that they let him keep $24 million dollars when he walked out on the team.

  • soregongolfersoregongolfer Members Posts: 1,368 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Years ago, Colorado's QB died. I believe his name is Sal Aunese. Later that year, Colorado played Nebraska and some fans chanted, "Sal is dead. Go Big Red." So yeah, college fans are saints.

  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky Members Posts: 1,652 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @Im_A_Savage said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @BicknellCC said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Yes,
    and there are also idiots and drunks in every NFL stadium any time a game is played. Here's the video.

    Again, from their perspective at that moment, they felt like he quit on them.

    He did.

    I wouldn't have boo'd the guy. But he quit on them 2 weeks before the opening game.

    Quitter.

    If I was the Colts owner I would have (rightfully) had him pay back a pro-rated portion of his bonus. It's insane that they let him keep $24 million dollars when he walked out on the team.

    For not being in the training rooms, doctors offices and lucks mind you sure know the guy and everything that he’s been thru, thinking about and what he did and said before he made the decision.

    Thankfully you aren’t the Colts owner.

  • golfer07840golfer07840 Smart ass from Northwest NJMembers Posts: 1,796 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    @BicknellCC said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Yes,
    and there are also idiots and drunks in every NFL stadium any time a game is played. Here's the video.

    Again, from their perspective at that moment, they felt like he quit on them. > @Im_A_Savage said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @BicknellCC said:

    @golfer07840 said:

    @15th Club said:
    I like Andrew Luck, I respect his decision, and I actually love this issue for what it is.

    To me, this is a gigantic issue about how wonderful college football is, and how awful the NFL is. Can anybody imagine a stadium of Stanford students and alumni at Stanford Stadium ever booing Andrew Luck for any reason? Yet that is what some of the boorish NFL fans in Indianapolis did. It's shameful. Hateful, really. They simply proved that Luck made the right decision. Big time. Luck loved college football and everything about it and played it for nothing more than a scholarship and the fun of playing.

    I bring this up in the context of a golf discussion because so often I see comparisons of golf, and golf's ruling bodies, to other professional sports leagues. But the NFL is not "football," and the PGA Tour is not "golf."

    Ok, my 2 cents on this booing thing.

    1. These fans paid top dollar for season tickets, mainly because of Andrew Luck.
    2. They are 2 weeks away from the regular season starting and it's a season in which there is some legitimate hope to make a Super Bowl run. It looks like a promising season
    3. They are sitting there in the 3rd preseason game and during this game, they find out, via their phones and word of mouth that their star QB, who is not even 30, with 2 weeks to go is going to just retire.
    4. An hour or so later they see him walking off the field so they boo. They haven't had a chance to digest this bombshell of news, forget about even having a chance to sleep on this, nor were they given any explanation as to why, so at that moment, it looks like he's just quitting.

    So laying that all out there, do you really blame them for booing? I don't. It's completely understandable.

    Now carry on.

    Yes,
    and there are also idiots and drunks in every NFL stadium any time a game is played. Here's the video.

    Again, from their perspective at that moment, they felt like he quit on them.

    He did.

    I wouldn't have boo'd the guy. But he quit on them 2 weeks before the opening game.

    Quitter.

    If I was the Colts owner I would have (rightfully) had him pay back a pro-rated portion of his bonus. It's insane that they let him keep $24 million dollars when he walked out on the team.

    They let him keep that money because they are probably afraid of being sued because that medical staff did him wrong so many times. At least that's my theory.

    And another thing to consider about the boos. It's a preseason game, usually, the hardcore fans aren't the ones at the game. They pawn off those preseason tickets to Joe blow in the office or in the Sunday foursome so they can go to a football game since they don't go during the regular season. So the boos may not have been from the big time Colts fan.

    Opinions are my own and are never to be taken seriously.
    and for God's sake, if you're going to whine about Jim Nantz, have the respect to spell his name correctly.
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    edited Aug 28, 2019 11:52pm #61

    Gronk’ll come back before Luck😉

    As far as “exploitation,” and having Played DI ball and five of my defensive teammates went on to Play on Sundays, and all that I will say is that no one ever “made” us go out and Play, just as no one forced my Buds to sign their contracts and pursue a Professional career. Eleven knee surgeries(5l, 6r) and two shoulder reconstructions(l) later, yea, I guess that I’m payin the price however no one made me Play with injuries that looking back, at least the half season with a chronically dislocated shoulder strapped into place with a chest/bicep harness, I should have probably made a different decision, though I made those decisions of my own volition.

    I haven’t read a single statement much less article regarding Luck, his reasons for retiring or anything about it, though when I heard it my gut said that he lost the passion, lost the fire🔥. Sure injuries svck and the more there are, the older that ya get, the harder that it is to rehab, regroup and come out firing again on all cylinders, however many that may be. They take their toll and the mental rehab and putting one’s mind in the right place is imminently more taxing and difficult than the rehabbing of the actual physical injury. It’s tough and depending on the injury and the date of one’s mind, it can be brutal.

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that as anyone that has Played ball after HS will tell ya that even in college, it’s a job, and especially if you’re goin to school to get an education also, which I was, it’s can be friggin brutal, cuz my chemistry and physics proffs didn’t wanna hear that I was in so much pain that I’d slept less than three hours since my Saturday game as I sat 3/4 zoned in their Monday morning lecture or lab. Most guys can barely get through college and all they have to do is get up and make it to class, with no other worries or commitments.

    He’s Played a lot of ball, taken a lot of hits and won a lot of games. It’s a roller coaster for sure. He’s gotta life, family and I’m sure many things that he’d like to accomplish and do with a body healthy enough to do them, with his kids, family and friends.

    “He quit on his team😂😂😂?????”

    That statement coming off this board is like the guys that rip a Tour Boy for not being able “to handle the pressure” or giving their opinion on “the worst(THIS was absolutely unequivocally hands down my favorite thread of All-Friggin Time😂😂) Major winner of all-time!!!”

    Oh dear Lord, I friggin loooooove this place😝🤪

    “Quit on his team?????”

    With this I’m gonna bid my adieu~

    I’m in waaaaay over my head here and the one thing that I did learn from Pete was when to exit stage right, maybe not always gracefully, but to get the h*ll off the stage none the less, haha

    Stay well my Friends🍻
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