Do Black Wedges Spin Less?

Ive heard that black wedges spin less than a raw wedge. Is this true? Should I replace my black TM milled grind wedges to something that spins more?

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Haven't had any issues. Spin my GW at 11k rpm on full shots, the SW prob about 11.5k.

The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

Rumor says rusted wedges spin more. Never seen a video that shows absolute proof. Spin is over rated. Gaps and grind is more important than spin. More spin isn’t gonna help of grind isn’t right for you and. Wedges do not have right gapping

> @LaymanM said:

> Rumor says rusted wedges spin more. Never seen a video that shows absolute proof. Spin is over rated. Gaps and grind is more important than spin. More spin isn’t gonna help of grind isn’t right for you and. Wedges do not have right gapping

Rusted wedges will spin more especially in wet conditions and as the wedge ages. I've been told this by multiple people i know in the industry that work with pga tour players on tour vans.

> @J13 said:

> > @LaymanM said:

> > Rumor says rusted wedges spin more. Never seen a video that shows absolute proof. Spin is over rated. Gaps and grind is more important than spin. More spin isn’t gonna help of grind isn’t right for you and. Wedges do not have right gapping

>

> Rusted wedges will spin more especially in wet conditions and as the wedge ages. I've been told this by multiple people i know in the industry that work with pga tour players on tour vans.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but this has been debunked over and over again. Rust does not add spin.

I heard they might be faster too.

No the black finish has nothing to do with spin

> @balls_deep said:

> I heard they might be faster too.

Faster and they look smaller. :)

Ping does claim the hydropearl finish adds a lot of spin in wet conditions. Exact opposite of rusted. The main reason people go with raw wedges (that rust) is because of glare reduction and you can grind the sole without having to deal with chrome plating. rust=spin=myth.

Yes, black wedges don't spin as much as white wedges, so white wedges seems to be prefered by some. Others don't need more of the white wedge spin, so black wedges work perfectly for them. All bets are off when you get into raw or for sake of arguement, brown wedges...

> @Ivyguy said:

> The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

> @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > @Ivyguy said:

> > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

>

> Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

Right here sir.

It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

When it's dry and from the fairway, finish won't make an appreciable difference. If it's at all damp/wet, or from the rough, finish and wear can make a huge difference. I haven't seen wet vs. dry comparisons for different finishes other than the TXG video shown in post #11, but differences can be substantial. Honestly would love if they tested several brand new wedges with different finishes as well as used wedges with different finishes.

I can’t believe this thread is real

> @Ivyguy said:

> > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

> >

> > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

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> Right here sir.

>

> It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

Can you link to where Titleist says the grooves in the Jet Black SM7 are different?

> @Ivyguy said:

> > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

> >

> > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

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> Right here sir.

>

> It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

Sounds like hogwash to me

The only thing that could possibly be logical is the plating causes the grooves to be ever so slightly more narrow but I seriously doubt it's enough to make a difference.

> @Krt22 said:

> > @Ivyguy said:

> > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

> > >

> > > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

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> > Right here sir.

> >

> > It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

>

> Sounds like hogwash to me

Make sure to apologize to him...

http://www.golfalot.com/equipment-reviews/titleist-vokey-sm7-wedge-review-3977.aspx

It’s the paragraph under the bag full of wedges.

i would bet only a few PGA pros in history could tell a difference......

Well I tell ya, if those wedges could vote.....wait.....what's that? They can now? Never mind.

> @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > @Ivyguy said:

> > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

> > >

> > > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

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> > Right here sir.

> >

> > It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

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> Can you link to where Titleist says the grooves in the Jet Black SM7 are different?

> @Ivyguy said:

> > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

> > > >

> > > > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

> > >

> > > Right here sir.

> > >

> > > It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

> >

> > Can you link to where Titleist says the grooves in the Jet Black SM7 are different?

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http://www.golfwrx.com/487024/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-titleists-new-vokey-sm7-wedges/

As I said, I dont know if there is a performance difference. But it's not the same technique for cutting them

> @Ivyguy said:

> As I said, I dont know if there is a performance difference. But it's not the same technique for cutting them

That's crazy... I stand corrected that the grooves are apparently different... To your point though, there can't be any real performance difference as even the article says its a 100rpm difference. It would be impossible to notice the difference between a shot spinning 9000rpm and 9100rpm lol.

> @Albatross85 said:

> > @J13 said:

> > > @LaymanM said:

> > > Rumor says rusted wedges spin more. Never seen a video that shows absolute proof. Spin is over rated. Gaps and grind is more important than spin. More spin isn’t gonna help of grind isn’t right for you and. Wedges do not have right gapping

> >

> > Rusted wedges will spin more especially in wet conditions and as the wedge ages. I've been told this by multiple people i know in the industry that work with pga tour players on tour vans.

>

> Not sure if you're being sarcastic but this has been debunked over and over again. Rust does not add spin.

Im being sarcastic. SOmetimes hard to convey through text. On a serious note if you find a wedge with purple grooves and gold plated face it will spin 2000rpms more than a normal wedge.

Unreal ?

> @Ivyguy said:

> > @Ivyguy said:

> > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > > @tgoodspe1991 said:

> > > > > > @Ivyguy said:

> > > > > > The grooves are different on the newer black vokeys than the other finishes... I'm not sure if they spin less though.

> > > > >

> > > > > Huh?! Where did you hear that the grooves on the black Vokey SM7's specifically are different than the other SM7's in Chrome or Grey?

> > > >

> > > > Right here sir.

> > > >

> > > > It has to do with the finish on the other finishes. The black one use the old groove tech and the other finishes have the newer grooves.

> > >

> > > Can you link to where Titleist says the grooves in the Jet Black SM7 are different?

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> http://www.golfwrx.com/487024/5-things-you-need-to-know-about-titleists-new-vokey-sm7-wedges/

Dont mix it up with the grooves made 10 years ago, its NOT those "old grooves", we talk about but, 2 different, both within the new rules, and if we for the same of example say a Wedge on full swing should have 10.000 RPMs...how much is 100 rpms up or down? exactly 1% so expect roll out and stopping to have the same difference....1%. If your normal roll out is 1 yard, you must add 1% to roll out so you dont mess up your yardage map ;.-)

A Golf ball is 42 mm in diameter, so expect about 1/4 of a golf ball longer.....the difference off stopping at the edge of the cup or rolling in....that could be a Birdy or Par, so they should be sold under the motto "More Birdies than ever", i wonder why they dont when they made such a revolutionary invention with potential to lower the score?

PS! Rust do NOT add spin, they vary more from stroke to stroke than others since the face is "during change" all the time. The first stroke that day might have good spin, but during the day, face roughness changes to less roughness, so all rust does is eating up the face of the wedge, and make stains on your bag.

IMO, rusty wedges look like crap, im an old Gun Smith, and rust is something we try to prevent at almost any cost. ive played RAW wedges with black oxide since Callaway X-Tours (13-15 years?), but keep then rust free with silicone oil and new Black oxide when needed.

Black oxide IS RUST, but made under controlled condition, and the purpose is to make a surface the oil (rust protection), can stick to, its NOT to make them rust even if the Golf industry simply say "they will rust over time" (unless you prevent it, and you should).

They now cut plated wedges beyond the limit and after plating are right at the limit.

Unplated wedges - raw/black were always cut right at the limit and spun more than plated.

You could’ve said in the past that unplated spun more, but no longer.