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Talk to me -- Bullseye, 8802, other classics

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tgoodspe1991tgoodspe1991 New EnglandMembers  1152WRX Points: 404Handicap: +2.8Posts: 1,152 Platinum Tees
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I really want to try and game an old-school, classic style putter. I've got my eye right now on a Bettinardi BB2 or FCB, but have an itch to maybe try a Bullseye as well.

Would love to hear y'alls thoughts on various classic shapes (even ones I didn't mention), how they play, what type of stroke/eye dominance/setup they're good for, and anything else you'd like to share.

Help convince me to pull the trigger on a classic!!

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time rewarding and maddening – and it is without a doubt the greatest game mankind has ever invented."
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  • wkuo3wkuo3 RELEASE Members  4374WRX Points: 389Posts: 4,374 Titanium Tees
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    Classic putters, even the earlier Ping models are typically smaller and lighter. The modern putter are heavier and even the remake of the classic putter are larger in size.
    This is to accommodate the change in the putting surface from the slower greens 50-60 years ago to today's faster green speed. Also the classic putters are 35"-36", modern putters have more choices on the length.
    Yes, it's easy to cut down or to extend the putter length, but in doing so, it may change the feel of a putter.
    The Bettinardi and Scotty Cameron are considered as remake of the classic putters.
    If you want to game a classic putter, search for putters from 40+ years ago. One give away is the round cylindrical shaped leather grip, Non of those have a flat front surfaced grip and definitely no over sized grips in the classic putters.

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    I just bought a pxg dagger. I don't have it yet, but I think it is an appealing option if you're looking for a modern bullseye-type putter. You get the tungsten screws in the flange, too, for some added MOI.
    They can be had for decent prices on eBay, too.

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    Yonex Ezone CB-301 3-9 w/ Nippon Modus 125X
    Cleveland RTX4 Raw 48°,53°,58° w/ DG S400 Tour Issue
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  • j.a.j.a. Members  1750WRX Points: 194Posts: 1,750 Platinum Tees
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    I love the Bullseye design, very simple and effective. I do have a SC in CS with Pro Platinum finish which I only roll on the carpet from time to time.

    My gamer is a Lajosi L-Blade Flange, it's heavier but also in CS with gunmetal finish and deep milling. Soft and forgiving, I found it so great that I have another on order.

    Kari has both versions, the classic blade and the flange and also the LP808 & LP809 that would be like a 8802.

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  • SUITSSUITS Members  1066WRX Points: 99Posts: 1,066 Platinum Tees
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    Cleveland made several 8802 blades, most are plated carbon steel. They are typically pretty cheap

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  • James the Hogan FanJames the Hogan Fan Members  1278WRX Points: 898Handicap: 12Posts: 1,278 Platinum Tees
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    I have gamed a number of vintage styles before settling on my current gamer 3 years running, in the form of a MacGregor Autograph 651 Jackie Pung.

    This is a gooseneck style or some call it a calamity jane style. A true blade and suitable for the player with the swinging gate stroke. My model has decent offset as well, which for me promotes some forward press. Not the most forgiving thing in the world, but amazing feel. Also good if you like to get your eyes over the ball. I'm left-eyed and love the setup look.

    The bullseye is another, simple blade type, but with a centered shaft. There is zero offset and you cannot have your hands in front of the ball or else you are popping it into the ground. Couldn't make the adjustment, but it's a sweet look.

    In the same catagory is this putter that Hogan used, I don't know the style name.
    Basically a squarer, heftier bullseye, with less sole radius. I find these more playable but still not in the bag.

    One thing that has kept me away from the 8802, though I enjoy the heel shaft, is the depth of the face. I personally worry I'm going to miss-hit the ball high or low. The one little mind thing that ruins me. Also, coming from the other blades, this thing almost feels like a mallet... requiring a bit more straight back and through than I like.

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    Mizuno 56
    Maxfli Revolution 60
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    Kronos makes a modern version of Hogan's putter.

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    Callaway Mavrik 10.5° w/ Aldila Rogue White 70 130MSI X
    TaylorMade M2 DF 16.5° w/ Mitsu Diamana W 80X
    TaylorMade Sim Max Rescue 19° w/ HZRDUS Red 105 6.5
    Yonex Ezone CB-301 3-9 w/ Nippon Modus 125X
    Cleveland RTX4 Raw 48°,53°,58° w/ DG S400 Tour Issue
    TaylorMade Spider Tour Black 34"

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    Tried/owned a lot of the new stuff - never bought into newer greens needing heavier putter head crap. Currently using a bullseye heel which is great!

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    I have gamed a number of vintage styles before settling on my current gamer 3 years running, in the form of a MacGregor Autograph 651 Jackie Pung.

    This is a gooseneck style or some call it a calamity jane style. A true blade and suitable for the player with the swinging gate stroke. My model has decent offset as well, which for me promotes some forward press. Not the most forgiving thing in the world, but amazing feel. Also good if you like to get your eyes over the ball. I'm left-eyed and love the setup look.

    The bullseye is another, simple blade type, but with a centered shaft. There is zero offset and you cannot have your hands in front of the ball or else you are popping it into the ground. Couldn't make the adjustment, but it's a sweet look.

    In the same catagory is this putter that Hogan used, I don't know the style name.
    Basically a squarer, heftier bullseye, with less sole radius. I find these more playable but still not in the bag.

    One thing that has kept me away from the 8802, though I enjoy the heel shaft, is the depth of the face. I personally worry I'm going to miss-hit the ball high or low. The one little mind thing that ruins me. Also, coming from the other blades, this thing almost feels like a mallet... requiring a bit more straight back and through than I like.

    More than likely that is the Macgregor version of a Spalding Cash IN----- I can not think of the name of it to save my life right now

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana
    FW 7 woodTM V- Steel 21* Stock TM R
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan #2 Apex Shafts
    SW- Clevaland 588 56* Sensicore S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60* Sensicore S-400
    Putter 1997 Cameron Santa FE rusty as heck Bulls Eye Satin fluted shaft
    Bags- Old School Burton mini staff non logo or Jones Classic

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    On -, @tgoodspe1991 said:

    I really want to try and game an old-school, classic style putter. I've got my eye right now on a Bettinardi BB2 or FCB, but have an itch to maybe try a Bullseye as well.

    Would love to hear y'alls thoughts on various classic shapes (even ones I didn't mention), how they play, what type of stroke/eye dominance/setup they're good for, and anything else you'd like to share.

    Help convince me to pull the trigger on a classic!!

    I mess with a lot of classic blade putters mostly Macgregor Ironmasters and Bulls Eyes--- I do not own a real Wilson 8802 but own a Cleveland Designed by and a Little David 8802. I can tell you several things from experience. Also those putters do not have any forgiveness period. Also if you are a feel player like I am the newer balls like a Pro V tend to hop off the face and feel harsh to me. Remember these classic putters were built and played in the softer balata days. They do fine for me with a softer ball like a Srixon Soft Feel. But if you are rolling it good you get instant feedback and great feel

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana
    FW 7 woodTM V- Steel 21* Stock TM R
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan #2 Apex Shafts
    SW- Clevaland 588 56* Sensicore S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60* Sensicore S-400
    Putter 1997 Cameron Santa FE rusty as heck Bulls Eye Satin fluted shaft
    Bags- Old School Burton mini staff non logo or Jones Classic

  • KloeshumanKloeshuman Members  56WRX Points: 61Posts: 56 Bunkers
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    I really like a bullseye

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  • James the Hogan FanJames the Hogan Fan Members  1278WRX Points: 898Handicap: 12Posts: 1,278 Platinum Tees
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    On -, @BIG STU said:


    I have gamed a number of vintage styles before settling on my current gamer 3 years running, in the form of a MacGregor Autograph 651 Jackie Pung.

    This is a gooseneck style or some call it a calamity jane style. A true blade and suitable for the player with the swinging gate stroke. My model has decent offset as well, which for me promotes some forward press. Not the most forgiving thing in the world, but amazing feel. Also good if you like to get your eyes over the ball. I'm left-eyed and love the setup look.

    The bullseye is another, simple blade type, but with a centered shaft. There is zero offset and you cannot have your hands in front of the ball or else you are popping it into the ground. Couldn't make the adjustment, but it's a sweet look.

    In the same catagory is this putter that Hogan used, I don't know the style name.
    Basically a squarer, heftier bullseye, with less sole radius. I find these more playable but still not in the bag.

    One thing that has kept me away from the 8802, though I enjoy the heel shaft, is the depth of the face. I personally worry I'm going to miss-hit the ball high or low. The one little mind thing that ruins me. Also, coming from the other blades, this thing almost feels like a mallet... requiring a bit more straight back and through than I like.

    More than likely that is the Macgregor version of a Spalding Cash IN----- I can not think of the name of it to save my life right now

    It's funny because I have a Spalding cash-in style , but it's not named that because it's the store-line club... back when the OEM's made knock-offs of themselves and sold them at Sears...

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    Taylormade R15
    W/S Fybrid 3W
    W/S Fybrid 5W
    Hogan Apex 2003 (3-E)
    Mizuno 56
    Maxfli Revolution 60
    Macgregor Jackie Pung Putter #10

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    Ray Cook MS-1, Golfcraft El Rio Combo, Bullseye Heavy Blade, Ping A1, O or A Blade, Wilson Billy Casper Mallet.

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    Callaway 2020 Big Bertha 21* hybrid, UST Recoil F2
    TXG Custom, Mizuno JPX 919 Hotmetal 6-pw, "B" heads, 2* up, + 1/2", UST Recoil ESX 460 R
    Cobra MIM 50*, Accra 60i R
    Ping Glide 1.0 54.5*, Accra 90i R
    Ping Eye 2+ SW/LW, 57.5*, Accra 90i R
    Taylor Made TP Red Chaska, 35"
  • dpb5031dpb5031 Jupiter, FLMembers  5881WRX Points: 1,451Posts: 5,881 Titanium Tees
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    I have used an Arnold Pamer AP30R for over 20 years, and just recently switched to a TM Soto since moving to FL. I love the Palmer on bent or otherwise fast greens. The Soto has more speed off the face which has been helpful on grainier Bermuda.

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    Taylormade HiToe 54 (bent to 55 & 2 flat)
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  • wam78wam78 Members  817WRX Points: 264Handicap: NAPosts: 817 Golden Tee
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    A good happy medium might be going with something like the Bettinardi ss6. It feels really good and has good weight to it as well. It's not technically a classic, but it's a modern version of one. Put a sight dot on it and it's money!

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  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99 Members  5134WRX Points: 909Posts: 5,134 Titanium Tees
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    The old Spalding TP Mills are nice. Pavin was using a Bullseye in the Sr. Tour a week or two ago. I still have an OG Anser and 8802 "Original". They don't get out much. Only had the Bullseye for a week back in the early 80s. I hated it. The Zebra mallet was also popular back in the late 70s/early 80s. The putter pictured above that looks like a small 1 iron were on their way out by the mid 70s when I started to play golf.

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    Go whole hog and find a green metallic painted shaft Tommy Armour MacGregor Ironmaster.

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    I mostly use a bullseye center shafted wide flange i bought back in 197??? and love the look of that head. But I switch in a ping anser and a couple different TPM style once in a while for fun & something different to look at. I added some bottom weight tape to the bullseye and anser which helped my distance control on longer putts. A few years ago I swapped out the grip on the bullseye for a larger winn and that helped cure the occasional pulls on shorter putts.

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    Miz JPX 900 Forged, 5-PW Proj X LZ 6.0, 2
    flat, -3/8"
    Cleveland 588, Proj X LZ 6.5
    SeeMore FGP with
    Bullseye Wide Flange, Anser, Zing, Odyssey Teron, TPM, etc, in hot standby mode

  • BIG STUBIG STU Members  13202WRX Points: 4,319Handicap: 5.0Posts: 13,202 Titanium Tees
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    On -, @dhen9 said:

    Go whole hog and find a green metallic painted shaft Tommy Armour MacGregor Ironmaster.

    Those are hard to find one of the few Ironmasters I do not own. Anyone who is lucky enough to have one will not part from it. In classic circles it is called a green pyratone shaft. I have putted with a couple of them and they do have a unique feel for some reason I can not explain

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana
    FW 7 woodTM V- Steel 21* Stock TM R
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan #2 Apex Shafts
    SW- Clevaland 588 56* Sensicore S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60* Sensicore S-400
    Putter 1997 Cameron Santa FE rusty as heck Bulls Eye Satin fluted shaft
    Bags- Old School Burton mini staff non logo or Jones Classic

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    On -, @LeoLeo99 said:

    The old Spalding TP Mills are nice. Pavin was using a Bullseye in the Sr. Tour a week or two ago. I still have an OG Anser and 8802 "Original". They don't get out much. Only had the Bullseye for a week back in the early 80s. I hated it. The Zebra mallet was also popular back in the late 70s/early 80s. The putter pictured above that looks like a small 1 iron were on their way out by the mid 70s when I started to play golf.

    Corey Pavin has used that for years and still can putt lights out with it----- Another one that can putt lights out with one is a Canadian named Mark McNulty--- He played the regular tour some and the senior tour. His has been heated and bent has his name stamped in the back and is so beat up it looks like it has been used for a plow point----- but he could roll the rock with it. I think he has retired now from comp

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana
    FW 7 woodTM V- Steel 21* Stock TM R
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan #2 Apex Shafts
    SW- Clevaland 588 56* Sensicore S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60* Sensicore S-400
    Putter 1997 Cameron Santa FE rusty as heck Bulls Eye Satin fluted shaft
    Bags- Old School Burton mini staff non logo or Jones Classic

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    On -, @BIG STU said:

    On -, @dhen9 said:

    Go whole hog and find a green metallic painted shaft Tommy Armour MacGregor Ironmaster.

    Those are hard to find one of the few Ironmasters I do not own. Anyone who is lucky enough to have one will not part from it. In classic circles it is called a green pyratone shaft. I have putted with a couple of them and they do have a unique feel for some reason I can not explain

    The pro at a local executive course where I learned to play had one. It had a good amount of lead tape on the sweet spot. It had the coolest thing pistol wrap and a clevis pin for a counter balance it was literally the coolest putting device I'd ever used. I still look now and again on eBay but now I know why I can't find one.

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    On -, @BIG STU said:


    I have gamed a number of vintage styles before settling on my current gamer 3 years running, in the form of a MacGregor Autograph 651 Jackie Pung.

    This is a gooseneck style or some call it a calamity jane style. A true blade and suitable for the player with the swinging gate stroke. My model has decent offset as well, which for me promotes some forward press. Not the most forgiving thing in the world, but amazing feel. Also good if you like to get your eyes over the ball. I'm left-eyed and love the setup look.

    The bullseye is another, simple blade type, but with a centered shaft. There is zero offset and you cannot have your hands in front of the ball or else you are popping it into the ground. Couldn't make the adjustment, but it's a sweet look.

    In the same catagory is this putter that Hogan used, I don't know the style name.
    Basically a squarer, heftier bullseye, with less sole radius. I find these more playable but still not in the bag.

    One thing that has kept me away from the 8802, though I enjoy the heel shaft, is the depth of the face. I personally worry I'm going to miss-hit the ball high or low. The one little mind thing that ruins me. Also, coming from the other blades, this thing almost feels like a mallet... requiring a bit more straight back and through than I like.

    More than likely that is the Macgregor version of a Spalding Cash IN----- I can not think of the name of it to save my life right now

    In terms of matching that general shape/style....

    A TP Mills, either Spalding, Mizuno TPM-1, or similar models, or Wilson 8820 might be a good analogue for the pic from James' post. I nearly bought an 8820 in the early 2000s, and have a TPM-3, both are lovely.

    Then there are the Tad Moore models like the famous TM-2.

    And so on

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    The Ever Changing Bag!  A lot of mixing and matching

    Driver:  Cobra Fly-Z+, Xcaliber Tour 7.5 TS, 43.5"
    3w:  Cobra King LTD, Matrix 8m3 X, 42"
    2h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, NV105 S
    3h:  TaylorMade Stage 2 Tour, DGS400 or NV105 S
    Irons grab bag:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300; Golden Ram TW276, NV105; Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5; Ram TG-898, Super Peening Blue X; 1980 Golden Rams, Dynamic S; MacGregor Muirfield, Dynamic S; Wilson Staff 78 Tour Blades, Dynamic S
    GW:  Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, DGS400
    SW:  Ram Watson Scoring System 55*, DGX 7i shaft; Ram TG-898, DGS400; Ram TG-898, NV105 S; Wilson Staff PMP 58*, DGS300
    LW:  Maltby Design 60* mid sole, DGS400; Maltby Design 60* mid sole, NV105 S
    Putter:  Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34.25"
    Balls: in no particular order... Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Professional, or 50 Elite

    Also sometimes swap in old school woods at top of bag, various Golden Ram, MacGregor, or Orlimar persimmons
  • IvyguyIvyguy Members  1643WRX Points: 284Posts: 1,643 Platinum Tees
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    The newer 8802 from Wilson has a more modern weight of 350 grams. I live in FL and use a SP81 (Tmag ghost 8802) the roll tech helps a bit.

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