Dumb Question about Wedges Old vs New

So I have been struggling for a while now with hitting my wedges which are Callaway MD4 Raw. Before these, I struggled with Titleist SM6 with only average success like I do with the Callaway's. Whether it is a full shot, chips, flops, bumps, cuts, whatever, these 3 sticks in my bag are my biggest frustration when playing.

I am an average player which normally scores between 80-85 consistently which I know I can shave at least 6 strokes if I can hit wedges. No matter how much practice or videos I watch to find that magic something, I just cant get these to work like the vision in my head while matching execution.

I drive the ball well, and my iron game has never been better to be honest. I have a steeper angle of attack due to the fact that I am self taught and been playing for 30 years my way as well as I'm 6'3 with shorter arms with a sleeve length of 33.

Anyways I went out today to practice at my local club here in Scottsdale but before I left, I went over to my bag area, which I have 5 bags and just a bunch of clubs I've kept thru the years. I noticed a couple of old MacGregor VIP wedges from I don't know when. They were mine so specs were good to go. What the hell, I yanked the Callaway's, dropped them into the bag and drove over.

Started out with irons then sheepishly, and I'm not kidding I have anxiety hitting wedges, pulled my 56. First shot was like hitting a marshmallow. Soft, yet picked perfectly and I murmured to myself, WTH. Hit another, and same result, perfect floating high flight with a soft cut of maybe 3 yards.

Getting to the end, I must have hit another hour with this 56 and 60 VIP wedge. I hit almost every shot exactly how I wanted to. Distance, low, high, anything. This was the first time in years I was able to do what I wanted to. I was floored.

Anyways as you can see these wedges have seen better days and want to get fit for wedges that feel like these VIP's. All the new ones I own like Titleist and Callaway just don't feel anything like these MacGregor's. Any suggestions on wedges on the market that are like these in performance? These are staying in the interim but are beat from the kids hitting rocks in the backyard with them.

Anyways thank you for your input.

If you are looking for a soft feel in a classic design I would suggest something from Fourteen Golf. Perhaps the FH Forged V1. You will be paying a premium for them, but I honestly don't think I have ever hit a wedge that feels as "soft" as the Fourteen FH

Also, the Ben Hogan wedges are forged too - might be worth a try to order to clubs to try from Ben Hogan.

The groove buddy

For me the newer wedges tend to slide up the face a little bit more (just me being very detailed)

It doesnt grab the ball as much as the old groove

I stocked up on xforged wedges and nike vr forged because i kept trying to replace it but couldnt

I can tell you being an experienced Macgregor man that those VIPs are forged from a different material and most wedges you buy retail these days are cast. Some will call BS on me but there is a difference and feel that some of us can tell. Also if your V-Foils are like the ones I have they have some offset. Personally I do not like offset but oviously they work for some people. And a lot of times again for some people those wedges in the past worked for you. They may subconciously fit your eye and feel. A lot of times our eyes tell out body what do do without our brain being involved. Actually if you are not playing serious comps I would play those wedges which I think are still "legal" until 2024 unless you are playing comps with a condition of competition. Even though your kids have hit rocks with them the grooves look fine to me. Here is another area I will get called BS on grooves do not necessarly impart spin on the ball. But if you buy new wedges I suggest taking those V Foils with you and match up several things---- Offset , Bounce and sole width.

Disclaimer---- This is just my opinion and thought and is not etched in stone Holy grail absolutely correct----- BTW--- The only "stupid" question is the one not asked

Why don’t you have a wedge lesson?

They likely a different length, lie angle, grind, and shaft profile than what you’ve been playing. You may want to have them measured by a qualified fitter and replicate the measurements in a new one.

> @Jeff58 said:

> They likely a different length, lie angle, grind, and shaft profile than what you’ve been playing. You may want to have them measured by a qualified fitter and replicate the measurements in a new one.

My thoughts exactly!

> @Joelsim said:

> Why don’t you have a wedge lesson?

And, I would combine it with a wedge fitting. Cleveland has a wedge fitting process, as does Vokey and Edel. Wedge fittings are best if conducted outdoors, to get feedback on shot height and turf interaction.

> @Munich77 said:

> Also, the Ben Hogan wedges are forged too - might be worth a try to order to clubs to try from Ben Hogan.

Some wedge models now come with beveled soles. Hogan and Cleveland offer such grinds.

Beveled meaning V sole.Cleveland rtx3 and older Score wedges

> @ChipNRun said:

> > @Joelsim said:

> > Why don’t you have a wedge lesson?

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> And, I would combine it with a wedge fitting. Cleveland has a wedge fitting process, as does Vokey and Edel. Wedge fittings are best if conducted outdoors, to get feedback on shot height and turf interaction.

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> > @Munich77 said:

> > Also, the Ben Hogan wedges are forged too - might be worth a try to order to clubs to try from Ben Hogan.

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> Some wedge models now come with beveled soles. Hogan and Cleveland offer such grinds.

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This is how I got my Edels with a fitting with Mucklow years ago. Trying all the different combos out was a bit eye opening on the shots that I could still pull off with higher bounced wedged with the various grinds. Nothing like hitting flop shots with a 60* wedge from the apron with a 24* bounce wedge. Although I did change out the Spinner shafts I was fitted into for something stiffer, the heads I still have and got another set of.