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Hi all. So my top priority right now is fixing my takeaway. For about 20 years, my takeaway has been too far to the inside with an open club face (rolling the forearms clockwise), leading to all sorts of issues. I plan on changing this to a takeaway that ends up about at the toe line with a leading edge more or less parallel with my spine angle.

 

I know what I have to do. And I rehearse the motion at home all the time. But I still don't trust myself to do it properly while playing. I'll just revert back to old habits. In the meantime, on the range, I've been starting my swing from the correct takeaway position.

 

Does anyone have tips on how to ingrain this? Hard to change a takeaway that's been in play for 20 years! Is it just repetition? Thanks!

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I'm 44 years old, been swinging just like you for 25 years (severe inside takeaway), finally committed to changing my takeaway with working on the top of the swing next. I've found just consistently taking videos of my swing have helped tremendously. What you think you feel and what you actually do are often 2 completely separate things. i saw the changes start to get ingrained at the range far before they showed up on the course, i think from there you're right it's just reps once you get comfort with potentially a new ball flight or action with what essentially amounts to a different swing.

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buy a Planemate, honestly made the biggest change to my takeaway in a very short period of time.

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> @jamiegolfer said:

> Hi all. So my top priority right now is fixing my takeaway. For about 20 years, my takeaway has been too far to the inside with an open club face (rolling the forearms clockwise), leading to all sorts of issues. I plan on changing this to a takeaway that ends up about at the toe line with a leading edge more or less parallel with my spine angle.

>

> I know what I have to do. And I rehearse the motion at home all the time. But I still don't trust myself to do it properly while playing. I'll just revert back to old habits. In the meantime, on the range, I've been starting my swing from the correct takeaway position.

>

> Does anyone have tips on how to ingrain this? Hard to change a takeaway that's been in play for 20 years! Is it just repetition? Thanks!

 

I assume the club head is too far inside?

 

The takeaway is so misunderstood. From experience it is easy to see the club head suck in on video and then incorrectly attempt to fix it by pushing the hands away from the body to start the back swing. This move further guarantees an inside takeaway with regards to the club head.

 

The fix is an aggressive inside takeaway but with the HANDS. Feel like you are sucking the club in and behind you but with the hands leading and not the club . Watching the hands travel over the right foot on the back swing is a good feel/visual. It will feel like a super inside takeaway (much more inside than before) but on video you will see that the club head is more on plane because the hands move deeper earlier.

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Exact same issue for me.

 

I can go through the swing slowly and hit the right positions, I can rehearse my take away 100 times and it looks right on video. As soon as I actually swing , at some point I roll the club back into a really flat position. I recover well into a good spot at the top, but if I don't make the perfect move and weight shift on the downswing, I'll hit it all over the place.

 

For me, I think it stems from feeling like I need to swing the club back, rather than up. I've always been more of an arm swinger rather than a rotational player. I've starting thinking more about simply lifting the club up at a 45* angle and letting shoulder rotation control moving the club head back.

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The old Medicus swing trainer is mostly worthless in my opinion, but it works great for grooving the takeaway. I bought one years ago and am convinced it solved a poor takeaway for me.... but does nothing but wreck the rest of your swing if you try to hit balls with it.

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I would recommend visiting Rebellion Golf, and sending some swing videos to Monte for his analysis. He gave me some advice for a takeaway issue I never would have found elsewhere. It has made an amazing difference in my swing, both consistency and distance. It is easy to look at video of one's swing and pick out some static moves, however a pro like Monte can also see sequence issues that you never thought about.

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Thanks everyone. Glad to hear I'm not the only one with this issue. Seems to me that if I really want to improve, this is what I need to fix. I think it'll just take some time and I have to be patient. Let me know if you think of any other ideas. Rehearsing the movement over and over can get a bit boring so if you can think of ways to make it more interesting, I'm all ears!

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For me I can tell you it takes time. Like years. You will have good moments and every once in awhile relapses. Sometimes front 9 you are on plane then all of a sudden on the back 9 you can lose the feel and go back to your old ways. But dont stress just realize its all part of the process. At least thats what happened to me.

 

You have to commit and trust. On the range practice and dont worry how you hit the ball. And as my instructor would say to when im making a swing change "just freaking do it"! Good luck.

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Like most things in golf, the real answers are hard to see, and are counterintuitive oftentimes. The takeaway fix is pretty simple, but counterintuitive. The hands move more inside, close to the right pants pocket, w/ the clubhead outside the hands to halfway back, yes. But the INITIATION of the takeaway must be done w/ the CORE & inwards breaking of the front knee towards the rear heel. If you initite that way, the club goes back to the toeline, smack in the middle of your body, which is correct. The hands/arms move, yes, but are MOVED BY the core.

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I forgot to say.....this move feels weird at first. But keep working; it eventually will become automatic that the club will "locate itself" at the proper halfway back position. And at that point, you can forget backswing thoughts....Hal Sutton has always said that ALL his swing thoughts are purposefully limited to downswing thoughts, primarily target-based ones.

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> @jamiegolfer said:

> Hi all. So my top priority right now is fixing my takeaway. For about 20 years, my takeaway has been too far to the inside with an open club face (rolling the forearms clockwise), leading to all sorts of issues. I plan on changing this to a takeaway that ends up about at the toe line with a leading edge more or less parallel with my spine angle.

>

> I know what I have to do. And I rehearse the motion at home all the time. But I still don't trust myself to do it properly while playing. I'll just revert back to old habits. In the meantime, on the range, I've been starting my swing from the correct takeaway position.

>

> Does anyone have tips on how to ingrain this? Hard to change a takeaway that's been in play for 20 years! Is it just repetition? Thanks!

 

if you could make the ball do what you want with an inside takeaway, would you?

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> @jc4birdie said:

> Like most things in golf, the real answers are hard to see, and are counterintuitive oftentimes. The takeaway fix is pretty simple, but counterintuitive. The hands move more inside, close to the right pants pocket, w/ the clubhead outside the hands to halfway back, yes. But the INITIATION of the takeaway must be done w/ the CORE & inwards breaking of the front knee towards the rear heel. If you initite that way, the club goes back to the toeline, smack in the middle of your body, which is correct. The hands/arms move, yes, but are MOVED BY the core.

 

This has been my experience as well. I was never consistent putting my arms into the correct position in the backswing time and again.

 

 

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> @hoselpalooza said:

> > @jamiegolfer said:

> > Hi all. So my top priority right now is fixing my takeaway. For about 20 years, my takeaway has been too far to the inside with an open club face (rolling the forearms clockwise), leading to all sorts of issues. I plan on changing this to a takeaway that ends up about at the toe line with a leading edge more or less parallel with my spine angle.

> >

> > I know what I have to do. And I rehearse the motion at home all the time. But I still don't trust myself to do it properly while playing. I'll just revert back to old habits. In the meantime, on the range, I've been starting my swing from the correct takeaway position.

> >

> > Does anyone have tips on how to ingrain this? Hard to change a takeaway that's been in play for 20 years! Is it just repetition? Thanks!

>

> if you could make the ball do what you want with an inside takeaway, would you?

 

I'd say yes but I feel for maximum consistency, I'd want a proper takeaway.

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> @shanksaplenty said:

> > @jc4birdie said:

> > Like most things in golf, the real answers are hard to see, and are counterintuitive oftentimes. The takeaway fix is pretty simple, but counterintuitive. The hands move more inside, close to the right pants pocket, w/ the clubhead outside the hands to halfway back, yes. But the INITIATION of the takeaway must be done w/ the CORE & inwards breaking of the front knee towards the rear heel. If you initite that way, the club goes back to the toeline, smack in the middle of your body, which is correct. The hands/arms move, yes, but are MOVED BY the core.

>

> This has been my experience as well. I was never consistent putting my arms into the correct position in the backswing time and again.

>

>

 

Ya it's tough, especially when it's been your swing for so long. I think at this point, I'm just looking to not be completely out of position as opposed to being in a perfect position. I don't need perfect haha.

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> @shanksaplenty said:

> > @jc4birdie said:

> > Like most things in golf, the real answers are hard to see, and are counterintuitive oftentimes. The takeaway fix is pretty simple, but counterintuitive. The hands move more inside, close to the right pants pocket, w/ the clubhead outside the hands to halfway back, yes. But the INITIATION of the takeaway must be done w/ the CORE & inwards breaking of the front knee towards the rear heel. If you initite that way, the club goes back to the toeline, smack in the middle of your body, which is correct. The hands/arms move, yes, but are MOVED BY the core.

>

> This has been my experience as well. I was never consistent putting my arms into the correct position in the backswing time and again.

>

>

 

Yep. My first movement is the counterintuitive part. That is a lateral side bend that is in the direction of the target. This is very slight and would be like taking your golf stance, now allow your left arm to dangle then slide it down the outside of your left leg an inch or two. Blend this motion with the turning of the core. What you should feel is a lot of torque in the muscles of the back with your hands as jcbirdie said in the middle of your body which I agree is correct. Easypeezie.

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Just one tip. Often when someone is really struggling pulling it too far inside and behind their body, they are standing too far away from the ball and / or their posture is too hunched over.

 

I find that a lot of times people can struggle trying to implement something because of their setup or grip position. If something is very hard to do / replicate, then we are usually doing something wrong before that happens. Swing changes should feel a little awkward and different, but not impossible. When it's so hard to implement something, it may be time to look at other contributors to the problem.

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> @wagolfer7 said:

> Just one tip. Often when someone is really struggling pulling it too far inside and behind their body, they are standing too far away from the ball and / or their posture is too hunched over.

>

> I find that a lot of times people can struggle trying to implement something because of their setup or grip position. If something is very hard to do / replicate, then we are usually doing something wrong before that happens. Swing changes should feel a little awkward and different, but not impossible. When it's so hard to implement something, it may be time to look at other contributors to the problem.

 

This is great advice. I’ll check it out. Thanks!

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After YEARS of fighting an inside takeaway and countless videos looking at my swing, I started using something I made that gives you physical feedback as you swing the club - a guide. You can use an alignment rod stuck in a range ball bucket. Set it on the elbow plane, place it maybe 2-3 feet behind you and move it inside so that it is between the the line with your hands at address and the ball - where exactly depends on how far back you set it, but so if the hands move away from your body and the club sucks inside, you immediately crash into the guide. Instead, swing so the shaft rides up the guide. Pay attention to the feels. Make several swings with the guide, then one without - video it with camera also on line with hands at address. Repeat.

 

At least this worked for me. Nothing else had. Amazing how hard it was to fix.

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I actually fought the inverse issue compared to most.

 

A severe outside takeaway which caused a pretty big loop/dip on the downswing.

 

All the fancy tools and lessons and videos were nice but it took sweat. Thousands of reps slow and regular at the range and in front of the mirror.

 

Me getting my takeaway a little cleaner led to less of a loop and better dispersion. IMO it is worth fixing for consistency.

 

I was a solid 4-5 handicap for many years with a faulty takeaway and switching to single length combined with some real takeaway work cut that in half. I spent half the season this year as a 0.9 handicap before 'ballooning" up to a 2.3 to finish the season.

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I wonder if your shoulder plane is maybe a little too flat. Sometimes that can contribute to the club going inside and the left arm pronating too much or too soon. Might try to feel like the left shoulder is going more under the chin with no rotation of your left arm until it's past hip high. A good way to feel the correct shoulder turn is the put the club across your shoulders, with the grip end on your lead side. When you rotate back, try to point the grip approximately where the ball would be. That will give you a good feel if your shoulders are turning correctly or not.

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