P790 iron disaster

Can someone help me understand why I am hitting my new p790 irons a club to a club and half shorter yardage the my old M2s. The clubs are shorter in length than my M2s. I hit my m2 8 iron 145yds to 150 yds... p790 I hit my 8 iron 125yd i am frustrated beyond belief. I am hitting the club's closer go the bottom middle or more thin than the m2s.

I am not sure I could ever deal with hitting a 8 iron 125yds.

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If you weren't choking up a little on the M2s then you answered your own question, the 790s are shorter.

> @DrippingWet said:

> Can someone help me understand why I am hitting my new p790 irons a club to a club and half shorter yardage the my old M2s. The clubs are shorter in length than my M2s. I hit my m2 8 iron 145yds to 150 yds... p790 I hit my 8 iron 125yd i am frustrated beyond belief. I am hitting the club's closer go the bottom middle or more thin than the m2s.

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> I am not sure I could ever deal with hitting a 8 iron 125yds.

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> Please he

The lofts are also different. The 7i on the 790s is 2* weaker than the M2s, add in the lack of face slots which make the face rebound and trampoline more efficiently, you have your answer. But as the person above pointed out, it's strike point. You need your 790s extended...pricey mistake (~$10 per club + new grips at most places). Hopefully the fitter you bought them from has a performance guarantee you can utilize.

> @chippa13 said:

> If you weren't choking up a little on the M2s then you answered your own question, the 790s are shorter.

This is what I am thinking as well. You said yourself you are hitting them thin. A juiced club will carry much farther if your ball striking was better.

Did you get the new clubs shorter because of a fitting? If not, then why would you get clubs that are a shorter length than what you are used to? Sounds like strike is also playing a big role

Take a divot when you hit them. You can’t compare a bad thin shot to a well struck shot.

I am the OP, i am also a 7 handicap so not the worst ball striker. Not the best either. The distance is shockingly shorter. I am hitting them a bit thin. So do i extend them to the same length as my standard length M2's It still does not explain why i was fitted for standard p790 length. Why would taylormade make the P790 standard length so much shorter. I am not talking a little bit either. They are much shorter. I am very confused by this all.

I took both 7 irons out on the course hit 10 balls from the 150, all the M2's easily made the green, the P790's were 15 to 20 yards short.

> @DrippingWet said:

> I am the OP, i am also a 7 handicap so not the worst ball striker. Not the best either. The distance is shockingly shorter. I am hitting them a bit thin. So do i extend them to the same length as my standard length M2's It still does not explain why i was fitted for standard p790 length. Why would taylormade make the P790 standard length so much shorter. I am not talking a little bit either. They are much shorter. I am very confused by this all.

> I took both 7 irons out on the course hit 10 balls from the 150, all the M2's easily made the green, the P790's were 15 to 20 yards short.

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There’s no standard length in clubs. The standard length is only applicable to the set you are buying. Players irons tend to be shorter in length than gi type irons which would be the M2 are designed to go high and far and use length as a way to achieve the speed

Well I called TM and they are going to have me back in today for another fitting session to see whats going on. Its a state of the art facility so I will provide an update after. This has been extremely frustrating, I tried 4 sets of irons on the course Tuesday and all went pretty close the same distance give or take a couple yards, but not the 790s. The 790's were the only clubs that were .5 shorter in length than all the other clubs. They were 4 different brands as well. Does length effect lie angle which means I will need a different lie as well if they are longer? I am guess that answer is yes.

Looking at the stock specs for both sets, I don't see much difference in length - M2 4 iron is 3/8" longer than P790, 5 iron is 1/4" longer, 6 iron 1/8" longer, then the 7/8/9 irons are the same.

OP, if you're seeing a significant difference in club length in the short irons, one of your sets isn't actually "standard length" (ie Taylormade's stock length). I'd bring both sets back to your fitter and get them measured, and see which set doesn't match up to Taylormade's stock specs.

M2 specs: www.taylormadegolf.com/M2-Irons/DW-AL449.html?lang=default

P790 specs: www.taylormadegolf.com/P790-Irons/DW-AL464.html?lang=default

> @DrippingWet said:

> Well I called TM and they are going to have me back in today for another fitting session to see whats going on. Its a state of the art facility so I will provide an update after. This has been extremely frustrating, I tried 4 sets of irons on the course Tuesday and all went pretty close the same distance give or take a couple yards, but not the 790s. The 790's were the only clubs that were .5 shorter in length than all the other clubs. They were 4 different brands as well. Does length effect lie angle which means I will need a different lie as well if they are longer? I am guess that answer is yes.

Wow man, TM is personally going to address this issue? You've got a lot more clout than me, that's for sure!

> @jholz said:

> > @DrippingWet said:

> > Well I called TM and they are going to have me back in today for another fitting session to see whats going on. Its a state of the art facility so I will provide an update after. This has been extremely frustrating, I tried 4 sets of irons on the course Tuesday and all went pretty close the same distance give or take a couple yards, but not the 790s. The 790's were the only clubs that were .5 shorter in length than all the other clubs. They were 4 different brands as well. Does length effect lie angle which means I will need a different lie as well if they are longer? I am guess that answer is yes.

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> Wow man, TM is personally going to address this issue? You've got a lot more clout than me, that's for sure!

He said "back in," which sounds as though his initial fitting was with TM fitters.

> @DrippingWet said:

> Well I called TM and they are going to have me back in today for another fitting session to see whats going on. Its a state of the art facility so I will provide an update after. This has been extremely frustrating, I tried 4 sets of irons on the course Tuesday and all went pretty close the same distance give or take a couple yards, but not the 790s. The 790's were the only clubs that were .5 shorter in length than all the other clubs. They were 4 different brands as well. Does length effect lie angle which means I will need a different lie as well if they are longer? I am guess that answer is yes.

Did you not see the difference in distance during the fitting? As for low that should be part of the fitting process so let the fitter determine what’s needed when the length is changed

Sounds like a ball striking issue? I hit the p790 20 yards further than my current irons, but it would screw up the gapping in my bag. Don't focus too much on the distance a specific iron goes. Look for gaps in your bag.

You are comparing a super GI club to a players distance club that you aren't hitting the middle of the face with. You also have not mentioned what shaft is in each.

No gaps for me. I am getting 5-10yds more around the 4-5-6, which is welcomed, because i didn't have a gap i liked between 6 and 7 previously.

These clubs look and feel and perform pretty well. They are very long. I do wonder whether i should have gone w/ p760. They are that long.

Taylormade has a indoor fitting center about an hour from where I live, its state of the art, and they charge $150 iron fitting. It comes with a guarantee. The fitting was confusing with lengths, and I am not thinking the guy wrote down the wrong length. Looking at the specs posted about , my 7, 8, and 9 iron are drastically shorter. I have attached a picture of the 7 iron difference

Yes, the P790s are .25" shorter as a standard..since they aren't super GI irons.

I am not a perfect ball sticker if you telling me you have to be a scratch golfer to play the 790s then thats the problem. I am a 7 handicap. Does that mean i have the wrong clubs. Should a 7 not be able to hit the 790s. They talk about these clubs being the big forgiving club that looks like a blade but plays like a GI, what am I missing.

> @Krt22 said:

> You are comparing a super GI club to a players distance club that you aren't hitting the middle of the face with. You also have not mentioned what shaft is in each.

^^What Krt22 said, are the shafts (brand, weight, flex) the same in both sets?

Hitting it shorter and thinner almost sounds like they weakened the lofts so there's more trailing edge at impact. Don't know why they would do that but the 790's shouldn't be that much shorter than the M2's.

You still haven't commented on what shafts are in the P790s vs your M2s. That COULD be part of it.

Otherwise, If you're used to hitting the M2s with their longer shafts, and if you actually fit into/need shafts the length of your M2s, then by all means hit the 790s with M2-length shafts and see if that's the issue.

> @KMeloney said:

> > @jholz said:

> > > @DrippingWet said:

> > > Well I called TM and they are going to have me back in today for another fitting session to see whats going on. Its a state of the art facility so I will provide an update after. This has been extremely frustrating, I tried 4 sets of irons on the course Tuesday and all went pretty close the same distance give or take a couple yards, but not the 790s. The 790's were the only clubs that were .5 shorter in length than all the other clubs. They were 4 different brands as well. Does length effect lie angle which means I will need a different lie as well if they are longer? I am guess that answer is yes.

> >

> > Wow man, TM is personally going to address this issue? You've got a lot more clout than me, that's for sure!

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> He said "back in," which sounds as though his initial fitting was with TM fitters.

Just a joke mon frer. Dude made it sound like they were flying him out to Carlsbad or something.

> @DrippingWet said:

> Can someone help me understand why I am hitting my new p790 irons a club to a club and half shorter yardage the my old M2s. The clubs are shorter in length than my M2s. I hit my m2 8 iron 145yds to 150 yds... p790 I hit my 8 iron 125yd i am frustrated beyond belief. I am hitting the club's closer go the bottom middle or more thin than the m2s.

>

> I am not sure I could ever deal with hitting a 8 iron 125yds.

>

> Please he

Not everyone will hit it farther with these iron category (myself included), as they provide obscenely high launch angles, which actually reduce distance by 10-12 yards in my case. Maybe try more traditional irons such as the Srizons, Mizunos Mp-20 MMC or MBs, T-100, etc, you might be surprised you may hit them longer than hollow irons.

> Krt22 said:

> Yes, the P790s are .25" shorter as a standard..since they aren't super GI irons.

Not in the short irons. 7 to 9 iron stock lengths are the same.

> DrippingWet said:

> Taylormade has a indoor fitting center about an hour from where I live, its state of the art, and they charge $150 iron fitting. It comes with a guarantee. The fitting was confusing with lengths, and I am not thinking the guy wrote down the wrong length. Looking at the specs posted about , my 7, 8, and 9 iron are drastically shorter. I have attached a picture of the 7 iron difference!

Maybe it's just the camera angle, but that looks like a pretty significant lie angle difference. The M2 should only be half a degree more upright than the P790 (63* vs 62.5*) - that looks like a lot more than half a degree to me. Without seeing the heel side / hosel, hard to say how much of the length difference at the toe is due to the lie angle vs club length, but I would definitely bring your M2s with you when you go back and have them check the specs. Hopefully they just wrote down the wrong specs at the fitting and can get things straightened out for you.

I have 790’s as well, but will most likely sell them sooner or later because of the same response you have. I should cut and paste the response to the person who posted about the same issue last week...

The 790’s do not respond well to being hit thin. If you have a shallow swing plane, generally play on harder surfaces, are used to clubs with very low CG’s, or tend to hit thin shots generally, you’re going to have trouble. While they look like a blade, they are an attached face design (which means the extreme perimeter doesn’t flex at all) with significant weight removed from the base to create the speed slot, and a lot of tungsten that’s internal to maintain appearance, and therefore relatively high in the structure, again raising the CG.

Most fittings, as well as the videos you see, are done on mats, and quality mats respond like a very soft grass surface, which masks the effect. IMO you can either accept the clubs and change your swing, or change the clubs and keep your swing. The M5 is a good solution from TM in that regard.

Weaker lofts for sure but there shouldn't be THAT much of a difference

Repeating what others have asked: what are the shafts in each set? For me, shafts have a much, much greater impact on performance than club heads. 2* Weaker lofts already sets you back 1/2 a club, a different shaft can certainly explain the rest.

During your re-fit, have TM do a comparison using Trackman (or the like) for you between the two. They should be able to determine what is going on from there. I would suspect swing speed, ball speed and smash factor are all down with your 790's compared to your M2's, as for exactly why this going on, your fitter should be able to help determine this and figure out what change is needed to get you back to a place distance wise, etc. you are more comfortable with.

I had a problem the other with "gone but not forgotten" Nike. The Nike Tour Van made the rounds of the Midwest, andmy home course scheduled me for a custom fitting. Lasted over an hour.

A month later I decided to order the irons. When they arrived, I had trouble hitting 4i, 5i and 6i. It turned out the irons were a half inch _too long._ My mother was ailing badly at the time, and Nike had exited golf hardware before I could take action.