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Old age help!

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ZigzogZigzog  233Members Posts: 233
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Hoping for some good advice here.

I am a long time golfer, 35 years plus. I still play to a good standard (plus index).

Like many on here, I like to try out new gear and have loads of irons etc.

My issue lately has been joint tiredness when playing and some aching elbows after/during my game.As a result of this I can still hit some great shots, but find that sometimes now I miss when just not committing fully to the shot and really not loading up the shaft so to speak. I think some of this will be joint tiredness and some a slight defense to the elbow pain.

I play Modus 125x in my irons, and my other sets all have x flex in them. So I have x100 etc.

Will a lighter shaft take away the effort do you think, will it reduce the elbow pain? I am a low flight player, always have been as i grew up playing links golf in strong winds and my game is used to this need.

I dont want to come off the golf course exhausted so to speak and dont want the pain. I am just not sure whether all steel shafts would be the same, or will a lighter shaft or maybe more importantly a softer flex help me. What about Steelifiber, I have read many saying these took away joint pain, although I think they can be quite stout from what I have read.

Thanks in advance, seems old age does not come on it's own!

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Ping G400 Max - Accra M4 250 FX
Callaway Epic Sub Zero 3 Wood - Tour AD 7S
Ping S55 - 3- W : KBS Tour 120 S
Cleveland 588 - 49,53,57
Edel E1

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  • No_Catchy_NicknameNo_Catchy_Nickname Kyushu,_Japan 5740Members Posts: 5,740
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    I'm not a fitter, just a golfer, so don't take this as gospel, but...

    Like you, I play some pretty heavy shafts, but I've had back injury recently, and have tried some lighter shafts. I'm talking going from a DGX100 or S300 to a NSPRO 1050 or Modus 105.
    Whilst I still love the idea of lighter shafts, initially I found the huge jump a bit too much to take for my swing. I missed the feel of the weight in the downswing.
    I'm not saying it can't work, rather that you might need to some time to make adjustments, or drop down gradually, say trying the True Temper DG 120 or 115 shafts. And then there's different shaft profiles to consider...

    I'm kind of in the same boat as you, so I'm interested to see what people have to say about this.

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    Driver: Ping G400 Tour 65S
    4w: TaylorMade R9 stock Fujikura Motore X flex
    7w TaylorMade V-steel, Quadra Fire Express RB 6SX
    Hybrid: RomaRo iBrid 23* Attas EZ 85S
    Irons (4i-PW): Wilson fg-62 S300 4/5-PW or MP4 Yoro Modus 125X 5-PW
    Wedges: Callaway MD2 T-grind combination of 52*, 56*, 58*, 60*
    Putter: Mac Jack Nicklaus Muirfield

    Old stuff: Tons of persimmon and older irons. 
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  • justasgoodjustasgood Without Tempo, you are just a hacker.  2917Members Posts: 2,917
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    35+ and exhausted? May want to have your LowT tested.

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  • GalangaGalanga  728Members Posts: 728
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    Passenger in the same boat. I believe lighter weight and shock absorption is the ticket. Many stories to f it working on this site. I second the prior poster’s suggestion to not go down in weight too quickly. For me, the graphite shaft selection effort has been a rabbit hole. Probably best to go to a fitter w lots of options and expertise.

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    • PingG400 Max 10.5; Ping Tour 65 S; 45.25”; D4.5
    • Ping G410 14.5 and 17.5; Project X Evenflow Blue 65 6.0; 43.25” and 42.25"; D2.5 / D3.5
    • Ping G410 22; Project X Evenflow Blue 85 6.0; 39.75”; D3.5
    • Ping Ping iBlades 5-PW; +1/2”; 2 flat; Recoil 110 F4; D4-6
    • Ping Glide Stealth 52SS, 54ES (56), and 58ES (60); 2 flat; all 36"; Recoil 125 F4; D5-7
    • Ping Y-Blade; 36.5/70






  • GalangaGalanga  728Members Posts: 728
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    Alternatively, I found it easier to find a lighter weight steel option first due to more comfort w steel. Lighter alone should be of some benefit. Once you find lighter steel, you can stop there or calmly search for your graphite shaft of choice.

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    • PingG400 Max 10.5; Ping Tour 65 S; 45.25”; D4.5
    • Ping G410 14.5 and 17.5; Project X Evenflow Blue 65 6.0; 43.25” and 42.25"; D2.5 / D3.5
    • Ping G410 22; Project X Evenflow Blue 85 6.0; 39.75”; D3.5
    • Ping Ping iBlades 5-PW; +1/2”; 2 flat; Recoil 110 F4; D4-6
    • Ping Glide Stealth 52SS, 54ES (56), and 58ES (60); 2 flat; all 36"; Recoil 125 F4; D5-7
    • Ping Y-Blade; 36.5/70






  • KensingtonParkKensingtonPark  53Members Posts: 53
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    @justasgood said:
    35+ and exhausted? May want to have your LowT tested.

    I believe that he meant that he has been playing 35+ years, which likely makes him close to 50.

    EDIT: Sorry, @Loomis13 posted just as I was posting mine, I guess.

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    Titleist TS2 8.5 VA Composites Raijin 64 S
    Callaway Epic Flash Subzero 3 wood
    Miura MB-001 (3-P) Nippon NS Pro 1050GH
    Miura Tour Wedges (54, 58)
    33" Scotty Cameron T22 Newport 2 Putter

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  • KensingtonParkKensingtonPark  53Members Posts: 53
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    I am in a similar position as you. I am experimenting with tour weighted graphite shafts in my irons. It definitely seems to help, as vibration more than weight is the source of my joint fatigue. That and a lack of stretching...

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    Titleist TS2 8.5 VA Composites Raijin 64 S
    Callaway Epic Flash Subzero 3 wood
    Miura MB-001 (3-P) Nippon NS Pro 1050GH
    Miura Tour Wedges (54, 58)
    33" Scotty Cameron T22 Newport 2 Putter

  • justasgoodjustasgood Without Tempo, you are just a hacker.  2917Members Posts: 2,917
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    @Loomis13 said:

    @justasgood said:
    35+ and exhausted? May want to have your LowT tested.

    Golfing for 35 plus years*. That's not his age.

    Lol!!!!! No coffee thanks to power outage from Olga🤬

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  • rwc356rwc356 Chicago, Illinois 378Members Posts: 378
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    I've been playing 50+ years and started feeling my age about 10 years ago. While never had a plus handicap, I did play to a single digit handicap until my early 50's. Arthritis and other health issue started creating havoc with my game and I made the transition to graphite and more forgiving clubs. I was afraid to leave what I knew and so I converted a few clubs (5 iron and 7 iron) to graphite and tried them for a number of rounds. It wasn't long before I realized that I could play them as well as steel shafts and so I added rest of short irons. Been playing 3 seasons with graphite and not sure I could go back. I love old blades and have a number of sets which I sneak back to every so often - result is always the same, shaft too heavy and body too sore. Good luck with finding a solution that fits your game best.

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    Just an older guy with 7 or 8 clubs and a MacKenzie Sunday Walker bag
  • disco111disco111  1120Members Posts: 1,120
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    The best advice I can offer is to go to a good fitter and test out different combinations. Aside from shafts, certain grips also play a part in the equation to alleviate pain and fatigue.

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  • jjfcpajjfcpa Driver - Tour Edge EXS 10.5 Omaha, NE 621Members Posts: 621
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    I'm 72 years old and didn't start playing golf till I was 67 so I have no memory of what it was like to play steel shafts or have a fast swing speed. I find that playing lighter shafts (in my case graphite) to be much easier on the joints. I also found that doing strength training at the gym doing the offseason really makes it much easier to maintain your performance level during the golf season.

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  • SM8SM8  29Members Posts: 29
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    I too am 35+ playing years. I lost count over the years of how many cortisone injections in both elbows, interior and exterior. Three years ago i switched out the Project X 6.0 for Steelfiber i95. I wont lie, it took a few months to get used to the lighter weight, but will never go back. For someone who hits a lot of balls the repetitive impact was excruciating pain.
    Now, elbows feel great and don't cringe at the thought of an extended range session.

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  • ZigzogZigzog  233Members Posts: 233
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    Thanks all, yes I have been playing for 35 years plus - although I did start young! :)

    I do have the availability of several fitting areas near where I live, only difficulty on this for me is that in the case of Graphite or Steelfiber, there seems to be very limited availability of these shafts for trial.

    I may try and source a demo club with a Steelfiber shaft fitted to try it out - if that is possible.

    I need to do something, the elbow pain is taking away a fair bit of the enjoyment for me.

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    Ping G400 Max - Accra M4 250 FX
    Callaway Epic Sub Zero 3 Wood - Tour AD 7S
    Ping S55 - 3- W : KBS Tour 120 S
    Cleveland 588 - 49,53,57
    Edel E1

  • MountainKingMountainKing  1792Members Posts: 1,792
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    While they don't look to be a current offering, you can still find Sensicore shafts from TT and they do come in x100's. Flex is a little software than the standard x100 and the sensicore really does a nice job of dampening things out. I've dealt with a lot of wrist pain thanks to hockey injuries, since making the switch about 5 years back they've felt a lot better after a lot of practice or a long day of playing.

    Beyond that, there's a lot of great options these days. Don't rule out graphite for sure, graphite iron shafts have come a long long way.

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    Taylormade M3 8.5* Fujikura Pro Tour Spec 73x
    Taylormade M3 3 Wood Accra FX 300
    Callaway Razr Tour Hybrid 19* Nunchuk
    Rocketbladez Tour 4-PW TT X100
    Tour Preferred 50/54 S400
    TM HI Toe 58 ATV S400
    TM Itsy Bitsy

  • farmerfarmer  8261Members Posts: 8,261
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    It may not be the weight of the shaft, it may be the stiffness. An X shaft is going to require some speed, which generally takes more effort.

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  • Pete O'TubePete O'Tube  375Members Posts: 375
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    I'm 65 now and over the last 10 years I have gone from TT S300 shafts to KBS Tour 105S and now Recoil F3 95 graphite in my Mizunos. I haven't had any elbow pain for over a year now and my back is very much better, even with a partially fused vertebrae T12/L1! I am adjusting nicely to the weight of the irons. Recoil 95 are a no charge option with Mizuno, so why not arrange a fitting with your local Mizuno Pro?

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    Ping G400 10.5 Motore F1 65g S
    TM R9 15 3 wood Motore F1 70g S
    Ping G10 18 deg Hybrid
    4 - 6 Mizuno MP18 MMC FliHi Recoil F3 95g Reg
    7 -9 Mizuno MP18 SC Recoil F3 95g Reg
    46.08 Vokey SM5
    56.08 Vokey SM5
    Ping B60 50th Anniversary


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  • mdwacmdwac  22Members Posts: 22
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    I had elbow pain last year....switched to steel fiber and pain went away. This season, since elbows felt good I went to a lighter Nippon 105X shaft from 120X. Pain came on like a freight train. I am rehabbing now, but very convinced that graphite vs steel was more important than heavy vs. lighter shaft.

    I have 100G graphite shafts in Callaway Pro irons. They are very good. Steelfiber took too much spin off my irons, hitting low bullets. For reference I am 50 years old, 3 index, hit my 7 iron about 170 in the air

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  • marmadukmarmaduk  229Members Posts: 229
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    So, I am one year older than the time you have been golfing. I’m 36 (golfing for 27 years now ) that being said I have arthritis in my hands and around my feet. These are unpopular because of the DeShambeau but since switching to jumbo max grips I have no pain in my hands whatsoever after around of golf. I don’t get pain in my wrists or elbows but I find the dampening affective a large grip amazing! They are expensive so it would be a large investment for an entire set but experimenting with a wedge, a six iron, and the driver might be worth your time and money

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  • BigarchBigarch Herrin, IL 543Members Posts: 543
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    53 years old and been playing since my teens here. I've experienced all of the issues OP laid out myself. Some of the steps I've taken:
    I've played Sensicore's in all my shafts for about 15 years and have always been a fan. I loaded up on them when they quit making them available for builders. I like to tinker and they go into every steel shaft I play. Also switched to midsize softer grips after playing cords and half cords in my younger days because I didn't like to wear a glove back then.
    As for shaft weight, I just made a conscious shift a couple years ago to a lighter and higher launching steel shaft. Experimented with a few different ones and I settled on the FST 90 and really hit that shaft well. I tried to back up to the FST 115 but I just don't hit that shaft as well. I used to always be a low ball hitter myself and I just had to convince myself that I was going to have to launch it higher in order to get some distance back. It freaked me out to put the ball up so high in the air but truthfully it's not really that high...just higher than what I was used to seeing. But it worked. I got some distance back, I can hold greens better than when I was hitting it lower....and most of all, it has cut down on the aches and pains in my hands, wrists, elbows, etc..
    Good luck in your quest to figure it out. Enjoy the journey.

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    • Driver - Taylormade M1 10.5* Pro Comp 65
    • Fairway - Taylormade M4 16HL* Fujikura Atmos Red
    • Hybrid - Cobra Bio Cell 3-4 Fujikura S +.5"
    • 4-PW- Cleveland TA7 FST 90 Shafts with Sensicores
    • Wedges - 50, 56 bent to 55, 60 Cleveland 588 RTX 588 Apollo MatchFlex +1"
    • Putter - Cleveland Classic Huntington Beach #10 - 35"
    • Grips - Lamkin Sonar Midsize
  • YuckYuck Fore!  2543Members Posts: 2,543
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    Long time x100 player, dropped to project X 6.0 when I turned 50. Recent years had tendinitis problems in my left elbow and arthritis in both hands. Switched to Steelfiber i95 about a year ago and the tendinitis went away and never came back. Found the ball flight very comparable to S300. Other graphite shafts I tried launched higher and were spinner than I was looking for. YMMV. Steel Fiber i95 S hard stepped or X soft stepped might be a good starting point.

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  • BB28403BB28403  3883Members Posts: 3,883
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    Maybe wrap your elbows with KT tape. And take some Epsom salt baths.

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  • ZigzogZigzog  233Members Posts: 233
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    Managed to get some Steelfibers on the bay, fitted them and had 18 holes yesterday - no pain and 2 under:)

    Will take a bit of adjusting to the flight etc. but the feel was very good.

    Positive signs - thanks for all the ideas

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    Ping G400 Max - Accra M4 250 FX
    Callaway Epic Sub Zero 3 Wood - Tour AD 7S
    Ping S55 - 3- W : KBS Tour 120 S
    Cleveland 588 - 49,53,57
    Edel E1

  • joljol  1333Members Posts: 1,333
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    Graphite shafts. May take some time to get use to the weight, but your elbow joints will thank you.

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  • ZigzogZigzog  233Members Posts: 233
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    Not sure I am ready for full graphite yet, fight that old age!

    Had another round today, 15 greens hit and a pretty hot putter got me another decent round on a tough course. The dispersion from the steel fibers is impressive, some real lasers out there. Long may it continue.

    Fair to say I am converted for now, no joint pain. Previously after two rounds in two days I would have had significant discomfort.

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    Ping G400 Max - Accra M4 250 FX
    Callaway Epic Sub Zero 3 Wood - Tour AD 7S
    Ping S55 - 3- W : KBS Tour 120 S
    Cleveland 588 - 49,53,57
    Edel E1

  • ZigzogZigzog  233Members Posts: 233
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    I added some lead weight to the heads, to try and bring the flight down a bit - played today and was far happier with the flight.

    Only missed 2 greens, so I am well and truly sold on the shafts; will continue to tinker with various amounts of lead weight until i get it right.

    Main thing is , no elbow pain :smile:

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    Ping G400 Max - Accra M4 250 FX
    Callaway Epic Sub Zero 3 Wood - Tour AD 7S
    Ping S55 - 3- W : KBS Tour 120 S
    Cleveland 588 - 49,53,57
    Edel E1

  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1793Members Posts: 1,793
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    @Zigzog said:

    My issue lately has been joint tiredness when playing and some aching elbows after/during my game.As a result of this I can still hit some great shots, but find that sometimes now I miss when just not committing fully to the shot and really not loading up the shaft so to speak. I think some of this will be joint tiredness and some a slight defense to the elbow pain.

    I play Modus 125x in my irons, and my other sets all have x flex in them. So I have x100 etc.

    Will a lighter shaft take away the effort do you think, will it reduce the elbow pain? I am a low flight player, always have been as i grew up playing links golf in strong winds and my game is used to this need.

    I turned 69 last week, and this season I've noticed some tingling elbows if I'm lucky enough to play two or three days in a row. And, this is after having toned down my swing to more tempo and less brute force.

    I would suggest you look at some of the graphite shafts. As for the SteelFibers, these are probably the most robust of the non-metal shafts. They are the graphite equivalent of the Project X family in steel.

    Take a look at the Recoil family: 16 shaft models just for irons, plus two each for hybrids and woods. The shafts for irons range in weight from 48 to 125 grams. Graphite shafts in general absorb more vibration than do the steel shafts, saving wear and tear on the joints. I will be following you, either reshafting or getting new irons with graphite shafts.

    A somewhat lighter shaft with a softer flex is worth considering. In my situation, I have hybrids with 75-gram Senior Flex shaft that work quite well. I didn't know slightly heavier Senior shafts existed until a fitter showed them to me.

    And - as all GolfWRXers know - be sure to try out different shafts and heads, get fitted, and see what gives you the best combination of numbers and feel.

    @No_Catchy_Nickname said:
    Whilst I still love the idea of lighter shafts, initially I found the huge jump a bit too much to take for my swing. I missed the feel of the weight in the downswing.
    I'm kind of in the same boat as you, so I'm interested to see what people have to say about this.

    Club designer Tom Wishon gives this caution to players moving to lighter shafts: Don't go overboard. Go light enough it makes a difference, but not so much you overswing.

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    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
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  • platgofplatgof platgof  1741ClubWRX Posts: 1,741
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    You guys are lucky, as my line of work is very tough on joints. In my 30's I had to switch to graphite because of tennis elbow. I also did play tennis, but that has been awhile. Now nothing but graphite and the pain has returned somewhat. It helps to have a "time out" because of weather, time to rest.

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  • gripandripgripandrip  1104Members Posts: 1,104
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    @SM8 said:
    I too am 35+ playing years. I lost count over the years of how many cortisone injections in both elbows, interior and exterior. Three years ago i switched out the Project X 6.0 for Steelfiber i95. I wont lie, it took a few months to get used to the lighter weight, but will never go back. For someone who hits a lot of balls the repetitive impact was excruciating pain.
    Now, elbows feel great and don't cringe at the thought of an extended range session.

    At 59, I definitely understand what you are talking about. I too made the switch to the SF i95's. I came from Stiff DG300's, so no X flex, but had little issue adjusting to the lighter weight shafts. Flex played very similar to the DG300's. The i95's are easy on the joints and I'll never go back to steel shafts. There are also so many different graphite shafts for irons coming out now... so you have lots of options to try.

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  • jjfcpajjfcpa Driver - Tour Edge EXS 10.5 Omaha, NE 621Members Posts: 621
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    I had golfer's elbow in both arms a couple years ago. I was icing both arms after each round. Nothing seemed to help and I considered having stem cells therapy but then I did some research. Seems this is caused by a muscle imbalance between your upper and lower forearms which causes the tendon in the elbow to get inflamed. Of course, anti-inflammatory meds will help mask the pain, but doesn't really do anything to remedy the problem.

    I decided to start doing weight training in the off season, especially with the arms - worked on strengthening the forearm and biceps and triceps. At first, the weight training hurt as much as playing golf, but gradually after a few months, the pain started to diminish considerably. When spring finally came around, my arms no longer had any pain and no matter how much golf I played, it didn't seem to inflame the tendon any more.

    During golf season, it's really tough to get to the gym AND play golf, but I managed to get to the gym at least once a week and work on the arms. No more problems.

    Keep in mind I was 70 years old at the time so if this worked for me, I'm sure it will work for those younger... or older than me.

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