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Wedge setup w/64* and now recommended 6* gaps. WWGLFWRX do?

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gticlaygticlay gticlay 994Members Posts: 994
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Went to a fitting last week and am super curious about what golfwrx members are doing when adding a 64* wedge. I had much less gap between 60 and 64 than I expected but the fitter said this is common and that Roger Cleveland and Callaway is now recommending 6* gaps in the wedge setup. I won’t go into specific lofts here because it REALLY depends on where you are with your PW but would love to hear all of your opinions.

Personally I’ve always had some big gaps with the fairly traditional 48/54/60 setup and really really really don’t want to go with modern 9i pitching wedges but am now thinking to rework my wedge game.

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  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1793Members Posts: 1,793
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    WRXer Terry Koehler (The Wedge Guy) has worked decades in club design. He notes that with very-high lofted LWs, the average golfer is more likely to hit "high on the face" than say with a SW.

    So, the 60* and 64* "much less gap" you mentioned could be caused by the ball climbing up the face a bit on 60* and higher lofts. This can cost distance on the shots.


    Starting with the SM6, Vokey incorporated a wedge head design in which the Vertical Center of Gravity is gets progressively higher as you move from PW to SW to LW. The goal is to lessen chances of ballooning shots with higher lofted wedges.

    Hogan Golf has gone the other way with its Equalizer wedges: Higher COG in PW to encourage lower "one hop" shots, and lower in LW to encourage high, soft shots.

    @gticlay said:
    Personally I’ve always had some big gaps with the fairly traditional 48/54/60 setup and really really really don’t want to go with modern 9i pitching wedges but am now thinking to rework my wedge game.

    The past two years I have played with 48/54/60 (see below). The 48* basically blends the old iron-set 46* PW and the 50* GW, which I found duplicated each other in lots of ways. As a note, the 9i on 3/4 swing or chokedown fills in nicely if the 48* likely would be a bit short on a shot. Overall, I find it so much easier to manage just three wedges rather than four.

    As for your wedge gapping concerns... If you get unique benefit out of the 64*, go for it. Does it deliver something the 60* won't?

    Posted:
    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
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  • azgregazgreg  793Members Posts: 793
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    I gave a 46/52/58/64 wedge setup a try for a couple of months. Didn't like it much.

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    Fairways: TM V-Steel
    Irons: TA 845s
    Wedges: Acer XB Satin
    Putter: Odyssey White Hot #1

  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to Canada 12905Members Posts: 12,905
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    I am 44-49-54-59-64

    Pretty simple

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    Ping G400 LST 11* Oban Revenge 65 06
    Callaway Xhot 3 Deep 14.5* Fubuki 73x
    Callaway GBB 5w 17* Aldila NVS 85x 
    Callaway Apex v1 3h 20* AD DI 95x
    Cally Apex v1 5h 26* Apache MFS 85x
    Mizuno 919T 6-G UST Recoil 95 f4 
    Vokey sm2 54*m & 59*m TVD 
    Callaway PM 64* UST 110 f4
    Yes Donna

    '19 Index 0.9 ~ 3.7
  • ProjectXProjectX I can a hit lob wedge 150...but only from a greenside bunker  1285Members Posts: 1,285
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    I played 46-52-58-64 for a couple seasons. I didn't find the 64 to be terribly useful. I used the 58 for pretty much anything inside 100 yards except for bunker shots and super flop shots. I found the 64* to be absolute magic for getting out of any bunker. But now my bunker game has improved to the point where I have just as much confidence with a 60* wedge if not more.

    Now that I'm back to a 60* wedge I have two setups I play depending on the course. On a long course I will carry 3 wood and 5 wood up top with 48-54-60 down low. On a short course I go just 5 wood up top and 46-50-54-60 down low.

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    Cobra F9 Tour Fairway 12.5* Diamana D+ LTD 80 TX
    Cobra F9 Tour Fairway 16.5* Diamana D+ LTD 90 TX
    Mizuno MP 18 MMC Fli-Hi 3-5 KBS Tour C Taper X
    Mizuno MP 18 SC 6-9 KBS Tour C-Taper X
    Titleist Vokey SM7 Raw 46F, 48F, 50F, 54F & 60D KBS Tour C-Taper X
    SeeMore Nashville z3c Black Mallet
    Titleist Pro V1x...but testing every urethane ball on the market
  • vmannvmann  74Members Posts: 74
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    I play 47-52-58-64. Works great for me. The 64 does things around the green that other clubs can't. Short-sided, flops, bunker shots are easier to handle. 58 takes over when there is more room to maneuver.

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  • gticlaygticlay gticlay  994Members Posts: 994
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    @cardoustie said:
    I am 44-49-54-59-64

    Pretty simple

    Can you pontificate a little? Would appreciate it.

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  • MooMoo  460Members Posts: 460
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    46 - 50 - 56 -62, but what is most important is the bounce is very different between the 56 and the 62. I can hit most of the same distances (except full swing of course) with the 56 and the 62, but the lie and type of sand will favor one club over the other.

    Posted:
    Driver TS2 (first driver in 9 years that could out the trusty 910 D2)
    Ping i3+ Blades (backup set Mizuno MP 54 P-4 which are now in cold storage until the end of time)
    Rogue 3 wood with Evenflow Blue (so easy to hit high and long...Evenflow rules!)
    Rogue 5 wood with Evenflow Blue
    Titleist 915 F 7 wood (the incredible Hedgehog...there is no turf that can stop the Hedgehog!)
    Miura 56 K
    Vokey gap and 62 M
    Ping Vault Ketsch 2.0
  • phil59phil59 phil59 france 122Members Posts: 122
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    i have played a long time 47 52 58 and only if conditions are very hard a 64
    this summer i have replaced 58 and 64 by a 60 glide eye2, very good in the bunkers with all types of sand and for little approachs , no full swing with my 60 ,
    in november with wet conditions i have replaced the 60 by 58
    2020
    winter 47 52 58
    summer 47 52 60

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    PING G400 wood soft-R 5 (16.5°) 7 (20°) 9 (23.5°)
    PING G le 2  wood   soft-R 7(27.5°)  9(31.5 °)
    PING I500 soft-R Alta CB 5 - UW    (22,5° 27°  32,5° 37° 42° 47° 52°)
    PING Glide 3 eye2 60° alta CB soft-reg  or  Glide forged 58° AWT reg
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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to Canada 12905Members Posts: 12,905
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    @gticlay said:

    @cardoustie said:
    I am 44-49-54-59-64

    Pretty simple

    Can you pontificate a little? Would appreciate it.

    Well the first two are PW and GW .. one degree strong. 919T ... and the 790's coming in at the same lofts

    The last 3 clubs are in my signature. Covers off the yardages

    I like Vokey m grinds for multi conditions and I have always like 64's from sand and green side. The PM and HiToe are very versatile 64's

    Now to go a south this winter I will likely have an Eye2+ 53 and a Zing2 58 ... more bounce for Bermuda... those or my wrx grind 54 ss and 59 es Ping Glides

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    Ping G400 LST 11* Oban Revenge 65 06
    Callaway Xhot 3 Deep 14.5* Fubuki 73x
    Callaway GBB 5w 17* Aldila NVS 85x 
    Callaway Apex v1 3h 20* AD DI 95x
    Cally Apex v1 5h 26* Apache MFS 85x
    Mizuno 919T 6-G UST Recoil 95 f4 
    Vokey sm2 54*m & 59*m TVD 
    Callaway PM 64* UST 110 f4
    Yes Donna

    '19 Index 0.9 ~ 3.7
  • BIG STUBIG STU  12023Members Posts: 12,023
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    @ChipNRun said:
    WRXer Terry Koehler (The Wedge Guy) has worked decades in club design. He notes that with very-high lofted LWs, the average golfer is more likely to hit "high on the face" than say with a SW.

    So, the 60* and 64* "much less gap" you mentioned could be caused by the ball climbing up the face a bit on 60* and higher lofts. This can cost distance on the shots.


    Starting with the SM6, Vokey incorporated a wedge head design in which the Vertical Center of Gravity is gets progressively higher as you move from PW to SW to LW. The goal is to lessen chances of ballooning shots with higher lofted wedges.

    Hogan Golf has gone the other way with its Equalizer wedges: Higher COG in PW to encourage lower "one hop" shots, and lower in LW to encourage high, soft shots.

    @gticlay said:
    Personally I’ve always had some big gaps with the fairly traditional 48/54/60 setup and really really really don’t want to go with modern 9i pitching wedges but am now thinking to rework my wedge game.

    The past two years I have played with 48/54/60 (see below). The 48* basically blends the old iron-set 46* PW and the 50* GW, which I found duplicated each other in lots of ways. As a note, the 9i on 3/4 swing or chokedown fills in nicely if the 48* likely would be a bit short on a shot. Overall, I find it so much easier to manage just three wedges rather than four.

    As for your wedge gapping concerns... If you get unique benefit out of the 64*, go for it. Does it deliver something the 60* won't?

    Vokey has also done that with some of his newer wedge designs

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Old Adams 22* Pro Force Red
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Mizuno T-10 forged S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60*
    Putter (for now) Original Standard Acushnet Bullseye

  • BIG STUBIG STU  12023Members Posts: 12,023
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    I guess I am the odd man out again--- Since I play older blades with traditional lofts my gaps are 48-- 56--60. My 56 has always been my workhorse wedge--- The 60 is mostly for greenside bunker shots only. I hit most of my flops with the 56 opened up. I do rotate the 60 out for different courses with different sand

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Old Adams 22* Pro Force Red
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Mizuno T-10 forged S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60*
    Putter (for now) Original Standard Acushnet Bullseye

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  • Bobb3rdownBobb3rdown Bothell, WA 709Members Posts: 709
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    @Moo said:
    46 - 50 - 56 -62, but what is most important is the bounce is very different between the 56 and the 62. I can hit most of the same distances (except full swing of course) with the 56 and the 62, but the lie and type of sand will favor one club over the other.

    That's what I'm playing at the moment as well. Though I swap the 62 out for a 4 iron occasionally. But going from a 50,54,58. The 50,56,62 is taking some getting used to. I used the 58 for everything and am finding the 62 cant be played from everywhere. But the 56 fills those shots nicely.

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    Ping i20 9.5
    Callaway rouge sub zero 15
    Adams pro mini 20
    Bridgestone tour b x-cb 4-pw 
    Vokey sm7 50.12, sm7 56.10, sm6 62.08
    Maltby ptm-4
    2018 Players 5 stand bag
    Srixon Z Star xv
  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1793Members Posts: 1,793
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    @BIG STU said:
    I guess I am the odd man out again--- Since I play older blades with traditional lofts my gaps are 48-- 56--60. My 56 has always been my workhorse wedge--- The 60 is mostly for greenside bunker shots only. I hit most of my flops with the 56 opened up. I do rotate the 60 out for different courses with different sand

    I was hitting greenside cut shots with 56* SW for twenty years before the LW emerged. For several years I used iron set 46* and Cle 50-54-58. I now have a 48-54-60 mix after finding an MD 60* I could actually hit.

    But after two seasons, I'm finding the 60* works mainly as a specialty club: fluffy lob lies, quick stops into tight pins, and pitches over chocolate drop mounds. For some reason, it doesn't work as well as the 54* for uneven, shaggy lies - even though the MD-PM 60* has a high face.

    60* does get play for half and 3/4 shots in overall wedge matrix. I may drop back to 58* - seems I get better distance control than with 60*.

    Posted:
    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • TasalsTasals  363Members Posts: 363
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    I go 965 Pw (48) - 52 - 56 - 64

    I have my wedges and gaps set up so that a half swing with the stronger wedge is the same total distance as a full swing with the closest weaker wedge. So a full 56 is 105-110 yards, a half (hip to hip swing) 52 is 100-105 yards but with a much lower trajectory. The 64 maxes out for me around 75-80 yards. Interestingly I usually attempt to leave my self 100-120 yards in, the 64 comes out anything sub 65 yards as having to full swing it hard is a rare occurance where its usually to a raised green with a back flag and a drop off at the back. I like having the option of a lot of loft, home course has a lot of deep green side bunkers so it works for me and ive kept it since I have a lot of success with this wedge set up.

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  • MooMoo  460Members Posts: 460
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    @Bobb3rdown said:

    @Moo said:
    46 - 50 - 56 -62, but what is most important is the bounce is very different between the 56 and the 62. I can hit most of the same distances (except full swing of course) with the 56 and the 62, but the lie and type of sand will favor one club over the other.

    That's what I'm playing at the moment as well. Though I swap the 62 out for a 4 iron occasionally. But going from a 50,54,58. The 50,56,62 is taking some getting used to. I used the 58 for everything and am finding the 62 cant be played from everywhere. But the 56 fills those shots nicely.

    I'm in the minority, but I love the 62 and find it gets as much use as the 56 on certain courses. The 50, 56, and 62 really offers a lot of choices for distance, which is why I like it. I moved from the classic 4 degree gaps (52, 56, and 60) about 3 or 4 years ago and now I can't go back.

    I also hit the 62 full bore at 87 yards and it just stops dead. I do not understand all those that do not like to hit the higher lofted wedges full.

    The great thing is we have so many wedges choices now that you find what you need right off the shelf.

    Posted:
    Driver TS2 (first driver in 9 years that could out the trusty 910 D2)
    Ping i3+ Blades (backup set Mizuno MP 54 P-4 which are now in cold storage until the end of time)
    Rogue 3 wood with Evenflow Blue (so easy to hit high and long...Evenflow rules!)
    Rogue 5 wood with Evenflow Blue
    Titleist 915 F 7 wood (the incredible Hedgehog...there is no turf that can stop the Hedgehog!)
    Miura 56 K
    Vokey gap and 62 M
    Ping Vault Ketsch 2.0
  • onetime19onetime19 Shady Shores TX 1136Members Posts: 1,136
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    When I was playing AP2 my wedges were, pw 52 56 60, sinco giong to the AP3 and now the T200 my wedge set up is pw 50 58 works out great and can make any shot I need with the 43 50 58 setup.

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    Titleist TS3 8.5 GD AD BB 6S
    Titleist TS3 15 GD AD BB 7S
    Titleist TS2 H2 GD AD DI 85X
    Titleist T200 4-P AMT Black S300
    Tileist Vokey SM7 F 5012 SM7 S 5810
    Scotty Cameron Phantom X12
    Titleist Pro V1X
    Dos Equis Lager
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  • ZPrimeZPrime Changing Clubs is like better than not changing clubs  322Members Posts: 322
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    I’m now at 47, 54, 59 (60 bent down 1), and 64. Used to be 46, 52, 56, 62

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    Cobra F9 white head 44.75” with Daytona Speeder S.  
    Cobra F9 yellow head 3w Atmos Blue S 
    Cobra F9 hybrid 19
    Titleist 620 CB 4-PW
    Vokey Slate Blue 54S, 60M, 64T
    Scotty Cameron Phantom X 5.5
  • BIG STUBIG STU  12023Members Posts: 12,023
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    @ChipNRun said:

    @BIG STU said:
    I guess I am the odd man out again--- Since I play older blades with traditional lofts my gaps are 48-- 56--60. My 56 has always been my workhorse wedge--- The 60 is mostly for greenside bunker shots only. I hit most of my flops with the 56 opened up. I do rotate the 60 out for different courses with different sand

    I was hitting greenside cut shots with 56* SW for twenty years before the LW emerged. For several years I used iron set 46* and Cle 50-54-58. I now have a 48-54-60 mix after finding an MD 60* I could actually hit.

    But after two seasons, I'm finding the 60* works mainly as a specialty club: fluffy lob lies, quick stops into tight pins, and pitches over chocolate drop mounds. For some reason, it doesn't work as well as the 54* for uneven, shaggy lies - even though the MD-PM 60* has a high face.

    60* does get play for half and 3/4 shots in overall wedge matrix. I may drop back to 58* - seems I get better distance control than with 60*.

    Yep you learned in the era like me when there was no such thing as a 60* wedge. Anything from like a 52 to 56 was all we had. I do have a 64 I found on one of the scrap piles at work. It is a cheap off brand which looks like it has diamond chips or something like that on the face. I will put it in the range bag for kicks and giggles every now and then.

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Old Adams 22* Pro Force Red
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Mizuno T-10 forged S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60*
    Putter (for now) Original Standard Acushnet Bullseye

  • BIG STUBIG STU  12023Members Posts: 12,023
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    @Moo said:

    @Bobb3rdown said:

    @Moo said:
    46 - 50 - 56 -62, but what is most important is the bounce is very different between the 56 and the 62. I can hit most of the same distances (except full swing of course) with the 56 and the 62, but the lie and type of sand will favor one club over the other.

    That's what I'm playing at the moment as well. Though I swap the 62 out for a 4 iron occasionally. But going from a 50,54,58. The 50,56,62 is taking some getting used to. I used the 58 for everything and am finding the 62 cant be played from everywhere. But the 56 fills those shots nicely.

    I'm in the minority, but I love the 62 and find it gets as much use as the 56 on certain courses. The 50, 56, and 62 really offers a lot of choices for distance, which is why I like it. I moved from the classic 4 degree gaps (52, 56, and 60) about 3 or 4 years ago and now I can't go back.

    I also hit the 62 full bore at 87 yards and it just stops dead. I do not understand all those that do not like to hit the higher lofted wedges full.

    The great thing is we have so many wedges choices now that you find what you need right off the shelf.

    I think a lot of folks that try to hit a real high lofted wedge so hard the ball slides up the face on them---- But your last sentence said it all. A lot of it also is when you learned the game--- Like I told Chip N Run back when we learned the game the highest lofted wedge we had was a 56* and we learned how to "work it"

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Old Adams 22* Pro Force Red
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Mizuno T-10 forged S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60*
    Putter (for now) Original Standard Acushnet Bullseye

  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1793Members Posts: 1,793
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    @Moo said:
    I also hit the 62 full bore at 87 yards and it just stops dead. I do not understand all those that do not like to hit the higher lofted wedges full.

    All praises, Magic Moo! It's a case of most of us can't hit the higher lofted wedges full with any accuracy. You simply have a gift most of us lack.

    The one 60* LW which I could hit full with confidence was a Medicus prototype: the innovative head had hard metal on the face grooves and softer metal encasing it. Tried the sampler at a major golf expo with great success, but the model never went into full production for some reason.

    Note: The Medicus company - yes, the training aide people - began producing a limited selection of playable on-course clubs circa 2015.

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    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • uglandeuglande  218Members Posts: 218
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    For me, gapping is relevant up to about the mid-50s in loft, but for anything in the lob-wedge or x-wedge category, it's about utility around the greens, partial shots, chips, bunkers. I used to laugh at the Dave Pelz short game method where he recommended both a 60 degree and 64 degree wedge, as if anyone not named Mickelson can hit a full shot 64 with any kind of distance consistency.

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    08.25 - TaylorMade M5 (Project X Hzrdus Yellow)
    13.50 - TaylorMade OO (Project X Hzrdus Yellow)
    16.50 - Titleist 917 F2 (Diamana White)
    21.00 - Titleist 917 F2 (Diamana White)
    23.00 - Titleist U-500 (Project X Hzrdus Black)

    45.00 - Titleist Vokey SM7-F
    50.00 - Titleist Vokey SM7-F
    54.00 - Titleist Vokey SM7-S
    60.00 - Titleist Vokey SM7-D
    Putter - TaylorMade Spider Center-Shafted
    Ball - Titleist ProV1x #68
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  • MooMoo  460Members Posts: 460
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    @ChipNRun said:

    @Moo said:
    I also hit the 62 full bore at 87 yards and it just stops dead. I do not understand all those that do not like to hit the higher lofted wedges full.


    All praises, Magic Moo! It's a case of most of us can't hit the higher lofted wedges full with any accuracy. You simply have a gift most of us lack.

    The one 60* LW which I could hit full with confidence was a Medicus prototype: the innovative head had hard metal on the face grooves and softer metal encasing it. Tried the sampler at a major golf expo with great success, but the model never went into full production for some reason.

    Note: The Medicus company - yes, the training aide people - began producing a limited selection of playable on-course clubs circa 2015.

    The odds are high that you can hit your 3, 4, and 5 iron significantly better than I can, because I suck with those clubs. The wedges are my wheelhouse. We all have to use the gifts we have!

    I also love to use the 62 from the fescue. That thing can dig!

    I remember the Medicus. I think I had a hinged training iron from them long, long ago.

    Posted:
    Driver TS2 (first driver in 9 years that could out the trusty 910 D2)
    Ping i3+ Blades (backup set Mizuno MP 54 P-4 which are now in cold storage until the end of time)
    Rogue 3 wood with Evenflow Blue (so easy to hit high and long...Evenflow rules!)
    Rogue 5 wood with Evenflow Blue
    Titleist 915 F 7 wood (the incredible Hedgehog...there is no turf that can stop the Hedgehog!)
    Miura 56 K
    Vokey gap and 62 M
    Ping Vault Ketsch 2.0
  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1793Members Posts: 1,793
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    @Moo said:
    I also love to use the 62 from the fescue. That thing can dig!

    You would have loved an old niblick (early 9i) I carried during high school. It was a transition-era club, made with an early steel shaft with fake laminated wood on it. I got it in a mixed bag of clubs way back in grade school.

    It had a wide oval clubface (bigger than the palm of my hand) with a 1/4-inch thick clubhead - completely flat. It had a slight edge on it. You didn't have to be able to see the ball - just know the location. It would cut through a half-inch thich sapling if your ball ran off to the side.

    My greatest moment with the niblick came on the first hole at Marine Memorial Golf Course at Camp Pendleton, CA. I pushed my tee shot off into the ice plant along the fairway. I asked a greens crew guy if I got a free drop. He sneered, "Na! Ya gotta play it!"

    So I took out the niblick, aimed slightly behind the ball, and launched a lazy shot about 100 yards down the fairway - with an 12-inch swatch of ice plant trailing behind it.

    "Hey, you're tearing up my ice plant!" shouted the greenskeeper.

    "I'm just doing what you told me..." I responded.

    Posted:
    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • gticlaygticlay gticlay  994Members Posts: 994
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    I went to a fitting day two weeks ago and averaged 122 yards with the 64 and 135 with the 60 (consistent number for me and a 60). That’s a regular full swing and was about 200 shots into a very long day of hitting balls. So I’m sure you can see why I have big gaps in the PW to SW area.

    I’m probably going to build up a nice set of TM300 or similar irons that have the 48* PW and try a 52/58/64 setup or something similar to that. Either that or I end up with something with the stronger lofts and try a 50/56/62 setup. I really like my Eye2 that have 51 PW, 57 SW, and 61.5 LW but there’s definitely a large gap between the PW and SW.

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  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1793Members Posts: 1,793
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    If there's just one spot in your wedges with a big distance gap, you can handle that by learning to choke down on the longer wedge to shave some yardage. My strongest wedge is 48°, so I sometimes have to use a 3/4 or a choke-down 9i to reach a little longer.

    Posted:
    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • BIG STUBIG STU  12023Members Posts: 12,023
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    @ChipNRun said:

    @Moo said:
    I also love to use the 62 from the fescue. That thing can dig!

    You would have loved an old niblick (early 9i) I carried during high school. It was a transition-era club, made with an early steel shaft with fake laminated wood on it. I got it in a mixed bag of clubs way back in grade school.

    It had a wide oval clubface (bigger than the palm of my hand) with a 1/4-inch thick clubhead - completely flat. It had a slight edge on it. You didn't have to be able to see the ball - just know the location. It would cut through a half-inch thich sapling if your ball ran off to the side.

    My greatest moment with the niblick came on the first hole at Marine Memorial Golf Course at Camp Pendleton, CA. I pushed my tee shot off into the ice plant along the fairway. I asked a greens crew guy if I got a free drop. He sneered, "Na! Ya gotta play it!"

    So I took out the niblick, aimed slightly behind the ball, and launched a lazy shot about 100 yards down the fairway - with an 12-inch swatch of ice plant trailing behind it.

    "Hey, you're tearing up my ice plant!" shouted the greenskeeper.

    "I'm just doing what you told me..." I responded.

    That mashie niblick you refer to is known as a Pyratone shafted club. Yeah those things are fun I have several and one of them is a real hickory shaft too. I tend to carry one on my 5 club walking rounds. Yep those are real "butter knives"

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Old Adams 22* Pro Force Red
    Irons 3 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Mizuno T-10 forged S-400
    LW Cleveland 588 60*
    Putter (for now) Original Standard Acushnet Bullseye

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  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1793Members Posts: 1,793
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    Thanks so much for identifying the Pyratone shaft model. I read about the process many years ago, but then couldn't retrieve the name once I started posting on blogs.

    The niblick disappeared from the family "catch-all" bag while I was away in the Marines. I need to interrogate my brother to find out what happened to it!

    I wonder if we could build a flat-headed clubhead, get USGA to approve the grooves, and market a new H wedge. (H = Hatchet)... We could give Pyratone or even real hickory shafts for an upcharge.

    Posted:
    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr. |
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.

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