My first instinct would be to say the timing of the pressure shift. What else?

Hand eye coordination needs improvement

> @HateTheHighDraw said:

> Hand eye coordination needs improvement

Not convinced that can be improved a lot for adults.

Confidence, commitment to each shot, nerves??

The cause is probably that your eyes don’t know what to look for in a good swing.

It's all about impact.

For me it’s tension, timing, tempo, or target.

I agree with @PowderedToastMan, I need an good instructor to show me what’s good/ bad.

Timing of the pressure shift is a good one. I also think there is some timing and spatial awareness issues because your body may be in a different position than it's used to being. Too much internal focus (mechanics and swing feels) over external focus (the target and the ball flight) may be a cause as well.

RH

This isn’t different than my findings on putting. Video doesn’t show me to have a bad putting stroke at all. And yet ..... struggles aren’t hard to find.

No different with full swing. I can block a shot by a lot and get a “ goood move “ just after impact from either of the pga masters I play with a lot , and then a sigh of “ oh” as soon as you see the right headed right ball flight. But it’s as simple as me having a dominant left hand ( right player) and sometimes my right hand doesn’t do anything to help release the club. So in short. Middle contact , with open face and neutral path. Lots of times its very small things. And to me that’s not a swing issue as much as grip pressure , as that’s how I fix it each time.

> @Stronk said:

> > @HateTheHighDraw said:

> > Hand eye coordination needs improvement

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> Not convinced that can be improved a lot for adults.

I think adults can improve hand eye coordination, we just need results for feedback..

if you spend a hours practicing with foot spray the face of a club, moving around your divots on the sand or grass, or just trying to change your ball flight high/low from chipping to full swing- it will improve some type of hand eye coordination.

> @Stronk said:

> My first instinct would be to say the timing of the pressure shift. What else?

My first instinct is to suggest that a better analyst should look at the video.

> @PowderedToastMan said:

> The cause is probably that your eyes don’t know what to look for in a good swing.

This

> @RichieHunt said:

> Timing of the pressure shift is a good one. I also think there is some timing and spatial awareness issues because your body may be in a different position than it's used to being. Too much internal focus (mechanics and swing feels) over external focus (the target and the ball flight) may be a cause as well.

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Boy,, if all this was running around in his head while stepping up to the ball no wonder he couldn't hit it well.

If the swing looks good just let the ball get in the way of that good swing.

> @Popeye64 said:

> > @RichieHunt said:

> > Timing of the pressure shift is a good one. I also think there is some timing and spatial awareness issues because your body may be in a different position than it's used to being. Too much internal focus (mechanics and swing feels) over external focus (the target and the ball flight) may be a cause as well.

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> Boy,, if all this was running around in his head while stepping up to the ball no wonder he couldn't hit it well.

> If the swing looks good just let the ball get in the way of that good swing.

Sure, but he asked what was going on and since we don't have video and I've seen similar situations happen there are different reasons for each individual's issues.

Kinda like somebody coming up to you and asking why do they slice without giving a video. There could be a multitude of reasons why.

RH

You're a system quarterback...

> @mcputter said:

> It's all about impact.

This is the only thing that matters.... but most rely on a pretty swing to achieve it but when the pretty swing doesn't have their back they are lost.

Impact is all that matters is the opposite extreme to making your swing pretty and neglecting impact.

Extremes in golf don’t work long term.

I can get to Phoenix from LA by going through Denver, but it’s not the easiest and most direct way there, especially if I need to get there in less than 6 hours.

Good impact can’t be forced or the results will be erratic to down right catastrophic.

Impact is a result not a direct pursuit.

> @Barfolomew said:

> > @mcputter said:

> > It's all about impact.

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> This is the only thing that matters.... but most rely on a pretty swing to achieve it but when the pretty swing doesn't have their back they are lost.

ehhh. Impact and repeatable impact are two different things. You can spend a ton of time trying to ingrain compensations or you can try to eliminate them all together.

Lack of practice. And maybe lack of athleticism.

You can learn to put the club in the right positions, but that doesn't mean you've practiced it enough to be able to actually swing with speed and athleticism consistently.

You have to put in the practice and playing of golf so that your swing starts to be a feeling and a habit and not something you're consciously doing.

> @Krt22 said:

> > @Barfolomew said:

> > > @mcputter said:

> > > It's all about impact.

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> > This is the only thing that matters.... but most rely on a pretty swing to achieve it but when the pretty swing doesn't have their back they are lost.

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> ehhh. Impact and repeatable impact are two different things. You can spend a ton of time trying to ingrain compensations or you can try to eliminate them all together.

Well yeah repeatable impact is obviously implied. Not only that but healthy too dont wanna hurt the body lol....

> @MonteScheinblum said:

> Impact is all that matters is the opposite extreme to making your swing pretty and neglecting impact.

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> Extremes in golf don’t work long term.

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> I can get to Phoenix from LA by going through Denver, but it’s not the easiest and most direct way there, especially if I need to get there in less than 6 hours.

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> Good impact can’t be forced or the results will be erratic to down right catastrophic.

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> Impact is a result not a direct pursuit.

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Well yeah I agree newer players need guidance for the fundamentals and even for certain players.

But at some point you wanna forget about what every body part is doing and play golf which is only focusing on the type of impact to get the desired flight needed.

There are many ways to skin a mango (why do we pick on cats) but many get rigid about their method and forget 100 teachers have different opinions but whats most important is whats the club face doing at impact cause that creates the resulted flight..... which can also be improved by a good teacher.

> @RichieHunt said:

> Too much internal focus (mechanics and swing feels) over external focus (the target and the ball flight) may be a cause as well.

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I don’t give a sh•t what anyone says, THIS is THE single greatest sentence that you’ve posted that I’ve read since coming on the board??!!

Absolutely Beautiful Brother!!

Have a great Thanksgiving?

RP

> @Barfolomew said:

> > @MonteScheinblum said:

> > Impact is all that matters is the opposite extreme to making your swing pretty and neglecting impact.

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> > Extremes in golf don’t work long term.

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> > I can get to Phoenix from LA by going through Denver, but it’s not the easiest and most direct way there, especially if I need to get there in less than 6 hours.

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> > Good impact can’t be forced or the results will be erratic to down right catastrophic.

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> Well yeah I agree newer players need guidance for the fundamentals and even for certain players.

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> But at some point you wanna forget about what every body part is doing and play golf which is only focusing on the type of impact to get the desired flight needed.

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> There are many ways to skin a mango (why do we pick on cats) but many get rigid about their method and forget 100 teachers have different opinions but whats most important is whats the club face doing at impact cause that creates the resulted flight..... which can also be improved by a good teacher.

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Yes, but what the club face is doing at impact, is a direct result of everything else before that. If you pull the handle and fan the face open in transition, it's a tough place to consistently recover from and deliver a square face. Conversely, there a plenty of known/documented/measured things that all good players do, so trying to go against that grain is for the most part fruitless. There is more than one way to land a plane too.

> @Barfolomew said:

> > @MonteScheinblum said:

> > Impact is all that matters is the opposite extreme to making your swing pretty and neglecting impact.

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> > Extremes in golf don’t work long term.

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> > I can get to Phoenix from LA by going through Denver, but it’s not the easiest and most direct way there, especially if I need to get there in less than 6 hours.

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> > Good impact can’t be forced or the results will be erratic to down right catastrophic.

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> > Impact is a result not a direct pursuit.

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> Well yeah I agree newer players need guidance for the fundamentals and even for certain players.

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> But at some point you wanna forget about what every body part is doing and play golf which is only focusing on the type of impact to get the desired flight needed.

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> There are many ways to skin a mango (why do we pick on cats) but many get rigid about their method and forget 100 teachers have different opinions but whats most important is whats the club face doing at impact cause that creates the resulted flight..... which can also be improved by a good teacher.

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A complete misunderstanding of what I said.

lol

> @Barfolomew said:

> > @MonteScheinblum said:

> > Impact is all that matters is the opposite extreme to making your swing pretty and neglecting impact.

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> > Extremes in golf don’t work long term.

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> > I can get to Phoenix from LA by going through Denver, but it’s not the easiest and most direct way there, especially if I need to get there in less than 6 hours.

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> > Good impact can’t be forced or the results will be erratic to down right catastrophic.

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> > Impact is a result not a direct pursuit.

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> Well yeah I agree newer players need guidance for the fundamentals and even for certain players.

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> But at some point you wanna forget about what every body part is doing and play golf which is only focusing on the type of impact to get the desired flight needed.

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> There are many ways to skin a mango (why do we pick on cats) but many get rigid about their method and forget 100 teachers have different opinions but whats most important is whats the club face doing at impact cause that creates the resulted flight..... which can also be improved by a good teacher.

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Cats are evil no matter how cuddly they are for all of two seconds, see Monte's avatar.

For the sake of the discussion OP, @Stronk , are your pretty swing videos of practice swings or of actual swings hitting balls?

Worrying too much about results.

Okay, let's see the video...

> @Obee said:

> Okay, let's see the video...

Seeing is believing!

I'm not going to post a video here, but I get lessons from a tour instructor. On my best swings, on video and ball flight, I look like a tour player. On my bad swings, I looked like a 10 handicap. For a long time I chased positions and manipulated my swing into looking good on video. That resulting in no better results made me realize that the positions are a result and that I was managing forces wrong and just manipulating the positions.

In before "why are you posting here instead of asking your instructor"