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M3 vs M5 Pro stat anomaly why???

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Brentwalker52Brentwalker52  178WRX Points: 33Members Posts: 178
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Ok was bored, golf in Indiana is done for year and I started researching for a new driver and I started looking at driver distance of the pros that used M5’s and then I went back a year and looked at the same pros that used both m5 and m3 (thanks pga.com for the stats) and almost all of them lost yardage switching from M3 to M5! Usually around 5 yards. My question is why? and did any of you notice the same thing?

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Taylormade 2017 M1 10.5
Callway x hot 3w
Taylormade 2016 M1 5w
Wilson d100 4-Gw
Nike Engage 52,56,60
Odyssey Crimson Red Putter
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  • getitdailygetitdaily  2755WRX Points: 167Members Posts: 2,755
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    I went m4 to m5. I saw slower ballspeeds with m5 but m5 was longer because I was able to get into a higher lofted head and lower spin.


    M4 was 8.5

    M5 is 10.5

    M5 spins lower and dispersion is better.

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  • PowerCobra98PowerCobra98  434WRX Points: 105Members Posts: 434
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    I tested both M3 and M5 against each other this year for a solid month and multiple ranges sessions. In the end the M3 won out. I just preferred it visually and audibly. I'm not sure performance was any less with M5 but it also seemed like M3 was better on dispersion for me. In the end I could have gamed M5 but I didn't see that it was doing anything better for me than the M3 was.

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    TaylorMade M3
    Callaway Epic Flash SZ 5W
    Callaway Epic 3H
    Mizuno MP-20 MMC 4i-PW
    Callaway MD4 48S, 54C, 60C
    Scotty Cameron Fastback

  • Brentwalker52Brentwalker52  178WRX Points: 33Members Posts: 178
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    But why would anyone give up yardage especially the pros I wouldn’t think dispersion would be a issue for them compared to us mere mortals

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    Taylormade 2017 M1 10.5
    Callway x hot 3w
    Taylormade 2016 M1 5w
    Wilson d100 4-Gw
    Nike Engage 52,56,60
    Odyssey Crimson Red Putter
  • Kale_mKale_m  2153WRX Points: 357Members Posts: 2,153
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    Most of the pros are paid money to play the newest stuff. They have to change. Watch Rory. Best driver of the ball on the planet. Come January, he will have a new driver in the bag

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    Ping g410 LST 9* weight in toe, PW70tx 
    Ping g410 2hy at 16*
    Ping g410 3hy at 20.5 
    Callaway Apex MB Raw TIX100
    Callaway md4 52/56
    Tm hi toe 60
    Tm spider x 34” navy with true path alignment
  • mylesb21mylesb21  91WRX Points: 66Members Posts: 91
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    I also bought and compared the M5 driver head vs my current M3 driver, same loft. I agree the M3 head had a better sound, feel and consistency over the M5. I sold the M5 after 3 range sessions and 2 rounds. It’s possible the loft, CG and head weights were not identical between heads even with the same loft stamp.

    With that said, I’m sure touring pros do not switch to newer versions without extensive testing to match or improve their outputs.

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  • enfuegoenfuego  89WRX Points: 46Members Posts: 89
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    M5 ball speeds were slightly lower but with lower spin and more forgiveness the m5 usually won out for people. Those stats have a number of variables but generally you can deduce that conclusion.

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  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT  7233WRX Points: 363Members Posts: 7,233
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    Funny thing.....I'm putting a M3 back in the bag....used all of 2018 and hit the new crop of drivers with epic flash sz winning out on the monitor.....on course i found it louder and lower launching/ spin than I need......jpx900 is a very steady driver for me but just a bit too high of spin ....M5 , I need more loft and didn't like the sound.....even tried G410LST with mixed results.

    So back to my comfort/ consistent zone with a head that looks and feel great and has the proper amount of spin for the window I want.


    #M3RULES

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  • getitdailygetitdaily  2755WRX Points: 167Members Posts: 2,755
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    Would you say that m3 is higher launching than m5?

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  • getitdailygetitdaily  2755WRX Points: 167Members Posts: 2,755
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    Would you say that m3 is higher launching than m5?

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  • mylesb21mylesb21  91WRX Points: 66Members Posts: 91
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    They launched similarly, but off center strikes felt more solid and had less curvature with the M3. It was disappointing that the M5 didn’t outperform.

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  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT  7233WRX Points: 363Members Posts: 7,233
    Joined:  edited Dec 1, 2019 11:38pm #13

    For my game the M3 9.5* one click up was higher in same shaft as 10.5* M5.....I think the lower spin is something I don't need!

    I was in a 12* sldr, 10.5 R15, 10.5 M1 original and 17....also the toe seems to be hotter/ better for me with M3 ....also M3 isn't as weight forward in design

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  • MadGolfer76MadGolfer76 Maine 20251WRX Points: 805Members Posts: 20,251
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    More loft, less ball speed.

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    Titleist 915D3 9.5/Diamana D+ 70x
    Titleist 917F3 15/Diamana D+ 80s
    Titleist 816H2 19/Diamana D+ 90s
    Titleist 716mb 3-Pw /Dynamic Gold TI s400
    Vokey Sm7 52, 58/Dynamic Gold s400
    Bettinardi Studio Stock #8
    Titleist ProV1
  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  2083WRX Points: 593Members Posts: 2,083
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    Did you compare course for course or just an average?

    course and course conditions will vary from year to year. Compare their stats on same course at same time of year.

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  • Brentwalker52Brentwalker52  178WRX Points: 33Members Posts: 178
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    Just averages off the pga website on 18 vs 2019

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    Taylormade 2017 M1 10.5
    Callway x hot 3w
    Taylormade 2016 M1 5w
    Wilson d100 4-Gw
    Nike Engage 52,56,60
    Odyssey Crimson Red Putter
  • getitdailygetitdaily  2755WRX Points: 167Members Posts: 2,755
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    Looking at mcilroy...


    2018 sg off the tee was .761

    2019 ag off the tee 1.1 and change

    Driving distance was mostly unchanged

    2018 accuracy was 55%

    2019 accuracy was 61%

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  • getitdailygetitdaily  2755WRX Points: 167Members Posts: 2,755
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    Tiger lost distance but gained accuracy thus gaining sg off the tee.

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  • getitdailygetitdaily  2755WRX Points: 167Members Posts: 2,755
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    DJ dropped in every category. Probably more a statement of his game than his driver. He had an off year.

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  • slimreaper30slimreaper30  35WRX Points: 26Members Posts: 35
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    both were about the same for me, but maybe im just terrible

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  • Krt22Krt22 East Bay 8255WRX Points: 2,027Members Posts: 8,255
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  • ZA206ZA206  664WRX Points: 111Members Posts: 664
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    I’ve had 3 different M series drivers over the years and I’ve never driven the ball as consistently as I have this year with the M5. It’s not really even close.... this head keeps the ball in play. I’ve played less rounds this year than in previous years with other drivers, so it’s not a case of just playing better because I’m playing more. I do NOT think this is the longest/hottest driver I’ve owned (that goes to the SLDR white I had with a tour Fuji 757 shaft in it), but it is a super reliable weapon that I’m more confident in than any other driver I’ve owned.

    ZA

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    TM 2019 M5 460 9.0 with Tensei Pro White 60TX
    TM 2019 M5 15 3W  with Fujikura Atmos Blue TS-7X
    TM 2018 M3 19 & 22 Rescue Hybrids with Fujikura Atmos Blue TS-8X
    718 AP2 (5-PW) with AMT White X100's
    TM 50, 56 & 60 Hi Toe with S400
    TM Ghost Spider S - 34"
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  • getitdailygetitdaily  2755WRX Points: 167Members Posts: 2,755
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    I'm right there with you. Really accurate driver. But the slower ballspeeds compared to other stuff out there is always in the back of my mind. TM may get me with the SIM if ballspeeds are higher and it's as good on dispersion as m5.

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  • misterkyemisterkye  113WRX Points: 65ClubWRX Posts: 113
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    I'm with those that have sided with the M5. Went from the M1 to the M3, then back to the M1, then recently picked up the m5 tour model (in true golfwrx-form). Didn't think that I would ever take the M1 out of the bag, but was really hitting the M5 well. The feeling off the face felt similar to what I used to feel in Titleist drivers, and you know when something feels right. Never had the love affair with the M3, just wanted to try out the new twist face tech, but quickly went back to the M1.

    Speaking of which, anyone in the market for a M3 in 8.5*??? ;)

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    Taylormade M1 7.5*, Fujikura Speeder Evolution IV 661 shaft
    Titleist TS3 18*, Fujikura Speeder Evolution IV 661 shaft
    Taylormade P790 UDI 2-iron 
    Taylormade P790 4i-PW, Oban CT-115 S shafts
    Miura Tour Wedge HB 48*, Miura K Grind 2.0 54* & 60*
    Miura MGP-M2 putter
    Titleist Pro V1
  • canfinfancanfinfan  5WRX Points: 19Members Posts: 5
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    I am looking into going back to the M3 and really appreciate this post. Good read. Thanks.

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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to Canada 13050WRX Points: 1,983Members Posts: 13,050
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    I bet the 2016 m2 still has the highest ball speeds ....

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    Ping G400 LST 11* Oban Revenge 65 06
    Callaway Xhot 3 Deep 14.5* Fubuki 73x
    Callaway GBB 5w 17* Aldila NVS 85x 
    Callaway Apex v1 3h 20* AD DI 95x
    Cally Apex v1 5h 26* Apache MFS 85x
    Mizuno 919T 6-G UST Recoil 95 f4 
    Vokey sm2 54*m & 59*m TVD 
    Callaway PM 64* UST 110 f4
    Yes Donna

    '19 Index 0.9 ~ 3.7
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  •  SwooshLT SwooshLT  7233WRX Points: 363Members Posts: 7,233
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    I did and boy it was like riding a bike! Missed my old friend!

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