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Any slow swingers (100 - 103) play the Ping 410 lst driver?

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jerryojerryo  1174WRX Points: 75Members Posts: 1,174
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I am deciding between the plus and lst. The numbers show I could play both but really like the look of the lst head.

Would love some feedback on folks in the 100 ss range gaming the lst.

Any set up specs appreciated.

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  • balls_deepballs_deep Wanna earn 14 bucks the hard way? 1793WRX Points: 1,022Members Posts: 1,793
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    I really liked the 9 degree LST. I'm faster than you and spin the ball quite a bit with driver but the LST spun around 500rpm more than TS3 for my swing. I remember trying the G400 LST and it fall out of the sky. I launched the 9 LST well and think it would be very playable at that speed if the fit is right.

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  • dmeeksDCdmeeksDC  2514WRX Points: 262ClubWRX Posts: 2,514
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    You can definitely play the LST provided you get the right loft and shaft. Tee it on the high side for best results. I was fit and could hit it or the standard and I was swinging at 105. I ultimately stuck with the G400 standard head because I liked the slightly smaller look and am comfortable with it, and I had a little more speed with it. Spin was only a little higher than the LST. But I have hit the LST a lot and the Callaway Rogue Subzero too and they worked fine.

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    Ping G400 9 degrees, Ping Tour stiff shaft, 65 grams
    Callaway XHot2 Pro 5 wood, 17 degrees, Aldila Tour Blue stiff shaft
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  • jerryojerryo  1174WRX Points: 75Members Posts: 1,174
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    Thanks for the feedback. Will be going with 10.5 degrees of loft for sure. I demoed the original 400 with a diamana w series 70 and loved that combo. Probably look to the blue profile for a bit more spin. The non pro orange worked well but not the biggest fan of counter balanced shafts.

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  • balls_deepballs_deep Wanna earn 14 bucks the hard way? 1793WRX Points: 1,022Members Posts: 1,793
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    TXG did a thing on this. Ping heads are on the heavy side and they use counterbalance to keep swingweight in an area that the masses will like. Things can get d5+ really quick with them.

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    Titleist 818 H1 19° Project X HZRDUS Handcrafted Black 6.0 85g
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    Mizuno MP-20 MB 5i-PW Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100
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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  2092WRX Points: 595Members Posts: 2,092
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    Swing speed is only art of the equation. One of my buddies is under 100mph and was fit to the g410 lst 9*. He loves it abd it’s taken him years to find a driver to put in the bag.

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  • Lincoln_ArcadiaLincoln_Arcadia We're supposed to be having fun here...yeah, right. So. Cal. 578WRX Points: 50Members Posts: 578
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    Right, was going to say I’m now in the slow swinger category at 102, yet manage to out drive 99% of the people I actually meet on the course. :-)

    I use M2 9.5 degrees with a stock Fujikura 56gm shaft. Works really well and get right around 2500 or so RPM.

    Low spin heads only reduce backspin as far as I know? Typically, made for golfers in the >110mph category because they’re looking to prevent ballooning with the lightest shaft they can get? At least that’s what my $150/hour fitter told me in passing conversion...

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  • skisnutzskisnutz  235WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 235
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    Swing at 105 tops. 410 LST works great for me.

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    Ping G410 LST 10.5* Tensei Pro Orange V2 60s
    Ping G410 17.5* Tour AD BB 80x
    Ping G410 22* Evenflow Black 85s
    Srixon 965 5-Pw N.S. Pro Modus Tour 120s
    Cleveland RTX-4  50, 54, 58 N.S. Pro Modus Wedge 115
    Carbon Bandit 303 GSS Custom Milled Center Shaft 
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  • lawsonmanlawsonman Freeport, Illinois 5832WRX Points: 1,100Members Posts: 5,832
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    True! My swing is right about 90 and they don't make a driver that's too low spin for me.

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  • jerryojerryo  1174WRX Points: 75Members Posts: 1,174
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    Thanks for all the comments. My comment in the title about 100 - 103 being slow was kind of a joke because relative to WRX standards it seems slow. I am also 52 so I do not see my speed increasing and from a longevity stand point feel the plus head may serve me better but them again I love gear and tinker every year so.....

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  • Hammer22Hammer22  597WRX Points: 146Members Posts: 597
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    Started with the 10.5° LST head and even with the Tour 65 shaft, was hitting it crazy high. Ended up trading the head for a 9° version thanks to a member here, and like it much better. My driver SS is 105-110 and am really pleased with it. Like the 410 head so much that picked up a Plus in the same loft to compare, but only got to do so indoors since it was late in the season. Just like so many of the reviews, the launch was almost identical and the spin was just a couple hundred RPM lower with the LST (low 2,000's). May go with the Plus due to the extra forgiveness, but they both feel great.

    On a side note, both of my heads weigh 202g, with the Plus having a 16g weight and a 14g in the LST. The SW @44.75" is D3 which is perfect.

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  • Jeff58Jeff58 Bend Oregon 80WRX Points: 51Members Posts: 80
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    The more interesting question might be whether players with moderate swing speeds and “normal” impact consistently are successfully playing LST types of heads. The general problem is that while the spin reduction on optimal impacts may be 200-400 rpms, the falloff on poor strikes tends to be far greater, producing low trajectory shots that go pretty much nowhere. The counter argument of is that you don’t really want those impacts flying for full distance since they’re likely significantly off-line. Complicating that point is that vertical spin by definition counters the effect of side spin, since there can be only a single spin axis...

    Reduced spin heads are only even potentially useful to those with higher swing speeds who need to compensate for overly vertical swing dynamics, active tip profiles intended to add distance, or non-optimal static face loft selection. Others are better served by an optimal head and shaft configuration.

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  • GoGoErkyGoGoErky  2092WRX Points: 595Members Posts: 2,092
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    Those looking to eliminate one side of the course regardless of SS also benefit. My buddy has this head and has taken the left side of the course out of play. Another buddy has m1 430 head in play for the same reason.

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  • BlkNGldBlkNGld  3015WRX Points: 197Members Posts: 3,015
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    I'm mostly in upper 90s and was fit into a 7.5 G400LST. Was fit at Ping, have a +AoA.

    Most of the time the LST works best with faster swings, but that's a guideline, not a rule. It's the swing, not the swing speed.

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  • dubbelbogeydubbelbogey  478WRX Points: 204Members Posts: 478
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    It'd be super interesting to get a (real) swing speed sampling here on WRX. Somehow I think 100-105 would be in top quartile, at best.

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  • cardoustiecardoustie haha, we don't play for 5's Tasmania to Canada 13052WRX Points: 1,987Members Posts: 13,052
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    3 weeks from 52 myself

    106-109 on Trackman as recently as 1 month ago

    Love the 400LST in 10* head .. and I turn it up to 11. I tried the 410 LST for a month and let it go, preferred the 400LST after a long head to head trial. The 400 hit it higher for me than the 410

    Both heads are VERY VERY STRAIGHT with incredible forgiveness for me. Was miles farther than the 400MAX, but many others found the opposite. Depends on AoA and LA etc etc

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  • jerryojerryo  1174WRX Points: 75Members Posts: 1,174
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    Sweet. Gotta love the versatility in these Ping heads!

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  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Minnesota, USA 6853WRX Points: 923Members Posts: 6,853
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    Sounds lovely.

    -guy who likes moderately higher swingweights

    :)

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  • bnperronebnperrone  51WRX Points: 19Members Posts: 51
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    The Ping LST is their best head for me. While my speeds are a bit higher than yours, I can assure you it's still their best head for me when I slow it down a bit. I can't speak to your swing, but it definitely isn't solely determined by speed for me.

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  • 2Down2Down  210WRX Points: 101Members Posts: 210
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    I was fit at second swing a bit ago and was swinging the lst and the plus. I ended up with the plus.

    My average drives are like 230 - 250 range with the once a round 260 280 pop. I probably swing (sometimes) in the ball park you have defined.

    the best ball with either driver was about the same. The plus won with a better average for me.

    Ended up with toe down 9° and a tensi orange in stiff was right on the borderline so far as flex went Kinda recal the spin was around 2400 2600 range with the lst usually about 3-400 less I went with the more spin more accurate club for me.

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    Cobra F8+ 3-4 15°  Aldila NV 2KXV 75 Green w/Cobra smart grip
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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Jupiter, FL 5593WRX Points: 1,130Members Posts: 5,593
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    I'm the same age and around the same speed...maybe getting up to 106-107 if my body's working ...lol. The 410 lst has been great. I find it extremely forgiving for a low spinning variant. I can work it easily in either direction too. Great driver!

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    Ping G410 LST 9 degree - Tour AD IZ 6x
    Taylormade M2 Tour 15 Fujikura Pro TourSpec 73 
    Kasco K2K 33 - UST Axivcore 65 Tour Green 
    Callaway RazrX Tour 4h - Tour 95 shaft
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  • torbilltorbill  368WRX Points: 242Members Posts: 368
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    Ugh. I’ve been demoted. Gone from slow to real-slow, I guess. Dang. And to think that I thought that I was doing O.K.

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