Cleveland RTX4>Vokeys?

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Is anyone gaming the Cleveland RTX4s my sm7s have been in the bag since the release date and are thoroughly worn down. I’m def not liking the looks of the new sm8s I guess the performance will be great as always, but we will have to see. The prices dropping of the RTX4s are very appealing and they coke stock with TI s400s. Let me here the good the bad and the ugly haha.

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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members  2810WRX Points: 1,099Posts: 2,810 Titanium Tees
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    I almost went from SM6/7 to RTX4 but I couldnt figure out the grinds and how they compare to the Vokey grinds I'm using now. Really no one compares to what the Vokey line has out, there's just so many options - but I'm sure SOME of them cross over to other companies.

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  • Hall401Hall401 Members  128WRX Points: 41Handicap: 7.8Posts: 128 Fairways
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    One of my main reasons I’m struggling to try anything different. I’ve had much success with vokeys in the 8° bounce region with 50/54/58. Typical shallow swing where I benefit from lower bounce options. I will admit they have my attention with their low bounce option around 6° in some of the RTX4 lofts.

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  • third-times-a-charmthird-times-a-charm Members  2810WRX Points: 1,099Posts: 2,810 Titanium Tees
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    I found a few grinds similar and I read up on the X/S/C grinds from Callaway but I just couldnt mentally pull the trigger. Right now I'm 52F/56F/60D with everything in 12 degrees IIRC and I just couldnt find any descriptions or reviews from the Callaway grinds that lead me to believe they were for me.


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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9313WRX Points: 1,469Posts: 9,313 Titanium Tees
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    Honestly, and this would get downvotes if that existed on here... but I think Vokey's are over rated. IT used to be they were the best because they offered many options as far as lofts, grinds and even finishes... but now almost every OEM is on par with them. The feel is not any better than the rest, they don't do anything magical or better than any other wedge. Sure, maybe you like the looks or something, and that's subjective... I personally think the new Jaws wedges or MG look the best, if that's your thing.

    Glide 3.0 are beast performers though. Super forgiving, maybe not the most compact in the world but they feel incredible, sound awesome and flat out perform. So yeah if you like RTX4, feel no shame... I wouldn't even rank Vokey top 3 for me anymore.

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    No down votes here my friend. I’m not one of those brand loyal guys haha. If it work for me it goes in the bag whether it’s big name or no name. I do however like a more compact look that blends into my irons. I’m currently gaming the Srixon z forged or should I say practicing with them (no golf here in the northeast winter) was definitely leaning towards the Cleveland and even looking to try the new T20s by Mizuno.

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    Mizuno are thicker but short blade length. Looked wonky when blended with my Mp20. Glides are long heel to toe but noticeably thinner. Most blade like imo are the Jaws....but the chrome for me was a turn off. Very shiny.

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    great, thanks. I appreciate your insight. I do like the look of the callaways down behind the ball. Same goes for the RTX4. Half of it all could be mental as well haha we know of that space between the ears that like to play tricks on us.

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    i think the RTX-4 are better than the SM7's. I feel they spin better and have a solid heft thru the ball.

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    Yeah if it were down to look behind the ball, Jaws wins on looks but I know once in outside in the summer, sun light will be shining off the chrome, so I'd go black. MG also nice but I'm not into the rusty face thing. I actually have not hit rtx4 so I can't comment but I've read they are a huge improvement over rtx3 which I did own, and did not like much.

    Vokeys always look good, but the glides are the butter. That polymer insert really does a great job... Feels soft just like my mizzy irons. I remember rtx feeling very nice also but the offset was horrible.

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    I noticed even on shorter pitches that I never lost feeling of the club head. I wonder if it’s down to swing weight? I wonder if the rtx4s are heavier than the vokeys. I was using s400s in both. My vokeys and the Cleveland I had a short indoor demo with.

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    I am more confident with the RTX 58 low grind than any low-bounce wedge I’ve had. Mid-bounce is good too. For standard soles, I like Vokey F grind and Callaway S grind and for wide the Callaway W grind is great and so are the Mizuno S5. Underrated: Cobra Pur wedge versatile grind.

    I wouldn’t say the RTX4 is better than the Vokey but I am more consistent with it at the lob wedge spot off tight lies.

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    I’m looking forward to getting my hands on the 58° low bounce. +1 for the vokey F grind that worked wonders for my gap wedge play. Just right now the deals are crazy on new rtx4s and I’m not sure there’s any reason not to save $$ as long as performance matches. I’m pretty sure all wedges spin well but like you stated finding the right bounce/grind is key.

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  • TigerInTheWoodsTigerInTheWoods Members  2347WRX Points: 1,495Handicap: 5Posts: 2,347 Platinum Tees
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    I think in the past you’d be leaving performance on the table going away from Vokey. Now everyone has a solid product. If I was buying new wedges I’d be between Wilson staff forged, T20, and RTX.

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    I’d have to agree with you. I feel like now a days there’s only so much manufacturers can do with the wedge. Just like the drivers. Have to go on looks, feel, and versatility. Wilson staff forged and T20 caught my eye because of the forging. I think a lot of us want/demand to play forged irons because of the feel/feedback/sound but when it comes to wedges we just turn the other cheek. They are one of the most “feel” clubs out there very rarely do you go 100% with a wedge swing haha

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  • gripandripgripandrip Members  1185WRX Points: 210Posts: 1,185 Platinum Tees
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    I think it all depends on what you are used to, and personal preference. With that said. Yes. RTX4>SM7. I have never gotten along with Vokey wedges.

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    I owned a set of SM6 when they came out and I just could not get along with them. I then had the RTX3, which worked better, but I switched to the RTX4 because it looked better and just felt "right" when hit my shots. I used the 54* mid bounce and a 58* low bounce and could not be happier.

    I tested the T20 at a demo and was very impressed. Felt great. However, the T20 looked thicker which was a bit of a turn-off, personal preference.

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    Exactly I think Mizuno have come a long way with their wedges but they do look like they have some chunk to them. Especially the top line.

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    I hear ya. I’m sort of coming the other way around it. Vokeys have always worked for me but they feel just ok. Like a typical WRXer I’m always looking to dip my feet elsewhere to see the benefit or not haha

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    I've played vokeys for as long as I can remember but have recently switched to rtx4's from SM7s. It started with needing a better option for my 60, i needed a lower grind option, and i never got along with the 60/04 L grind from vokey so I tried the xlow/03 of the rtx4. Long story short, all my wedges are rtx4 now. The rtx3 definitely had a ton of offset but i dont see any with the 4, and i think i just get better spin and launch windows now than with my vokeys.

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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members  9961WRX Points: 3,334Handicap: 8Posts: 9,961 Titanium Tees
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    I have some RTX4's and so SM7's. I prefer the RTX4 wedges. I know Vokeys are good, they are widely played and have a rep they earned. But I like how the cleveland wedges play more.

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    WEDGES; CLEVELAND RTX4: 49 and 64
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    With my last set of irons, I added a Cleveland 588 53º and a Cleveland 691 58º. Now I play the 53 that matches my irons and a Vokey low bounce 58.

    There's no appreciable difference in my short game.

    I would guess that Cleveland and Titleist wedges are equally good, but that some players would notice a big enough difference to have a preference and others might not.

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    Appreciate it! And with some shop credit and discount where I am I’m able to score the rtx4s at around $90 a piece. Looks like my decision is becoming a little easier.

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    Yes there’s just something about the way they look behind the ball. Compact and clean. Thanks for the input.

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  • zdtallanzdtallan MarylandMembers  116WRX Points: 63Handicap: 3.2Posts: 116 Fairways
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    Hard to argue with those prices! One other thing that made the decision easier was the finish. I love the raw look and that being an option made the switch that more seamless.

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    TEE CBX 119 13.5* HZRDUS Smoke 80

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    agreed, with the price drop, I am assuming that there may be some new wedges coming soon. No spy pics yet though...

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    4-PW Cobra king forged CB KBS $ Taper 130 X flex
    WEDGES; CLEVELAND RTX4: 49 and 64
    WEDGES: Titleist SM7 54 and 60 KBS tour custom matte black shafts.
    PUTTER; Kronos release long neck
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    That’s one thing I touched on before, I feel all the manufacturer’s (like with drivers) are limited to the amount of performance they can put into a wedge. I’m sure if you took a hand full of wedges brand new they will all relatively spin around the same number due to groove and face limitations. Appreciate your feedback. Looks and feel will def be the winner on my choice.

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    I went from Vokey SM5 to RTX3 and saw no change in my shortgame, just a positive change in my bank account buy not buying new Vokeys. I think I paid $65 total, brand new in plastic, for a 52 and 56 RTX3 wedge (one was $30 and one was $35).

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    Absolutely loving the look of the raw finish. How are they holding up? Don’t quote me but I’m heard around somewhere that the raw finish is a touch softer but could wear faster. Have you noticed any of this?

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