2020 PGA Merchandise Show Coverage.... Here.

Mods please lock thread, received answer. Kind regards Paddy

 Paddy_2_Iron ·  
Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
Joined:  edited Jan 23, 2020 12:41am in Equipment #1

I currently play the Hawkeyes 1998 models and seem to do good with them. Thoughts for replacements for these? I was looking through ebay and found the M4's they look nice and kind of the same. Any suggestions for high handicapper. Looking for something to help keep the ball straight.

Posted:
Post edited by Paddy_2_Iron on


«13456711
11

Comments

  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16  8736WRX Points: 1,109Members Posts: 8,736
    Joined:  #3

    If anything, the M4 (and those kinds of irons) can make your ball fly less straight. I won't get into why. Irons like the M4 should be used for golfers who add a lot of dynamic loft at impact so they end up needing less static loft on the club to help them get more distance. If you've got some decent impact conditions, irons like M4 might cause you to really spin the ball low, especially if you don't have a lot of club head speed. It will be extremely hard for you to hold greens.

    I suggest a fitting, but if you can't/won't, something with a 7i loft around 30-31* I believe is probably more reasonable. P790s, Apex CF19, etc could be better than the extremely strong lofted M4 irons. The ball flying straight is much more of a face to path relationship issue, and much less of which irons you play.

    Posted:
    D - Epic SZ | Tour Z Xtreme 465
    4w - '16 Tour Issue M1 | Diamana B 70
    3h - '17 Tour Issue M1 | Tour Blue 85
    Irons - MP-20 SEL 4-PW | Modus 120
    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
    LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue
    P - EVNROLL ER5
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS



  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99  4578WRX Points: 518Members Posts: 4,578
    Joined:  #4

    Ping G25 are very good irons. But it's not your clubs that is keeping you from breaking 100 consistently.


    Funny that 30 degree 7 iron is now considered average lofted. 30 degrees was a 5 iron when I was teenager.

    Posted:
  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  edited Jan 13, 2020 6:14pm #5

    Hey thanks for the information. Yeah man irons that spin and hold greens would be great as long as the forgiveness isn't compromised all that much. I only like to go up to a 5 iron, don't care of the 4 iron that much. Driver swing speed is 95 on average.

    Those P790's look really nice. I'm assuming these you can grow into and as your handicap goes down these will continue to help.

    Posted:


  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Iowa 19922WRX Points: 3,861ClubWRX Posts: 19,922
    Joined:  #6

    Find some Pings, you can fit yourself online, etc. - and be done with it. Problem solved.

    Posted:
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16  8736WRX Points: 1,109Members Posts: 8,736
    Joined:  #7

    I don't even think of handicap when it comes to clubs and what you should use, people can be outliers. I play to a 12.9 right now according to the latest update and I play MP20's (blades) and can drive the ball 280+ no problems. There's also people at the other end who are 0 index and don't even drive the ball 250 on a good day. You have to look specifically at how you hit irons, which may or may not make up a large portion of your strokes lost per round. I personally think I hit my irons a lot better than most 13's do, but I happen to putt pretty bad.

    Anyway, I'd say anybody from the low indexs (guys on here like TollBro's who is an extremely good player and drives the ball 340+ uses P790s) up to guys who routinely shoot 90s can use 790's. I even used the P790 4i all of last year, after using 4-PW in all of 2018. Solid clubs, verrrryyy long. Pretty low spin still, but they will hold greens better than M4's. If you find maybe the flight is still a bit too low spin, you can always add a degree of loft on the clubs and also use a higher spinning ball. Many high index players think they "aren't good enough" to use ProV1's but in fact I think they should really consider using them because it will help elevate the ball much more and hold greens better than what OEMs push at them, which is low spin, soft golf balls (think Calalway Supersoft, etc).

    Bit of a rant but hopefully that helps you, GL.

    Posted:
    D - Epic SZ | Tour Z Xtreme 465
    4w - '16 Tour Issue M1 | Diamana B 70
    3h - '17 Tour Issue M1 | Tour Blue 85
    Irons - MP-20 SEL 4-PW | Modus 120
    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
    LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue
    P - EVNROLL ER5
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS



  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  #8
    Posted:


  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  edited Jan 13, 2020 6:22pm #9

    @LeoLeo99

    The Hawkeyes don't really spin much and my new irons I bought just go really far and are way to heavy. I need more accurate irons, the misses are killing my GIR's.

    Posted:


  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  #10

    That's a ton of great info. I actually have ProV1's in my bag I use to play. I also have some E6's I like them both. Sounds like a good combination of the two, ball and club.

    Posted:


  • Bad9Bad9  4602WRX Points: 495Handicap: 9.2Members Posts: 4,602
    Joined:  #11

    Welcome back Kotter.

    Posted:
    Ping G410 Plus 10.5°/Alta CB55 r flex
    Ping G400 7w/Alta CB r flex
    Ping G400 4h/Alta CB r flex
    Ping G400 5h/Alta CB r flex
    Ping IE1 6-U/CFS70 r flex
    Ping Glide 2.0 ES 58°/CFS70 r flex
    Mizuno Bettinardi C06
  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16  8736WRX Points: 1,109Members Posts: 8,736
    Joined:  #12

    The golf ball can make a HUGE impact to your flight. I was fit in November 2018 into some irons and we tried Chrome Soft X and TP5X golf balls after the irons were settled. The TP5X spun 600-800rpm less than the CSX did, and launched a degree or two higher. Overall that meant more run out and a little less control. It's never a bad thing to gain a little distance on our irons but these are meant to hit greens and then stop within a small distance.

    I do highly recommend a legit fitting though if you can. Also, have realistic expectations. If you really play to a 23.3 index, I'd wager hitting just 1-2 GIR a round would be pretty good. New clubs might help improve this but I'd also wager spending $$ on lessons might help improve that GIR number, too ;) ;) Enjoy!

    Posted:
    D - Epic SZ | Tour Z Xtreme 465
    4w - '16 Tour Issue M1 | Diamana B 70
    3h - '17 Tour Issue M1 | Tour Blue 85
    Irons - MP-20 SEL 4-PW | Modus 120
    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
    LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue
    P - EVNROLL ER5
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS



  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  edited Jan 13, 2020 6:36pm #13

    Yeah probably just hitting 1 - 2 a 18 is about right. Usually off a wedge after a big blast from the tee box or sometimes a short par 3. At times it feels like my 7 iron is more accurate than my 9 iron.....

    I'm going to do some research on fitters, I just want to know how much these irons are going to cost. I keep telling myself I am content with my clubs but I k now that old tech is killing my GIR's even it's cost me 1 more a round that's way too much.

    Agree about lessons, but I just took 3 recently so I want to back off and try to work some of those changes in slowly.... I feel going a bunch doesn't really help.

    Posted:


  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 Iowa 19922WRX Points: 3,861ClubWRX Posts: 19,922
    Joined:  edited Jan 13, 2020 7:38pm #14

    Ping.com --- it's all there, but a Ping dealer in your area will do the same for you for nothing (okay I've never had a local pro charge if I'm actually ordering the clubs, and yes there are different "fitters" and what they offer) and I'd always recommend that, but from a static fitting measurement standpoint, a great tool - now, from a fitter measuring dynamically --- you won't know unless you go. Or wait for spring and find a demo day in your area - great way to get into clubs if those kinds of things happen where or near where you live.

    Now, I think the chart may be different than it was many years ago (going from memory on that) so if you are buying an older set online who knows as far as the color codes/lengths.

    I got my oldest daughter into G5s when they weren't the current offering any more though Ping. You used to be able to buy new "old" sets at a very substantial discount through Ping - again, a local pro/dealer could tell you if Ping still does that. IMO that was the absolute best bargain around.

    Posted:
  • ChipNRunChipNRun  1975WRX Points: 417Members Posts: 1,975
    Joined:  #15

    @Paddy_2_Iron, if you only switch irons once every two decades, you might consider an in-person fitting. A real, live fitter would use dynamic swing data. This measures what happens when you actually hit the ball. The Ping online fittings only use static data like wrist-to-floor measurements.

    Buying irons hit and miss without testing them out can cost you more time and $$ than simply buying a new fitted set.

    Are you located in USA, British Isles, Europe? USA is a much easier place to get a fitting.

    Several of the GI model iron heads fitted with a helpful shaft will work well for +20 HDCP golfers.

    If you're interested in Callaway, the Rogue model (discontinued recently) with a helpful shaft would be good.

    Here are some prior-cycle models from Ping: G25, G, and G Max. G400 also worth trying. Ping offers multiple stock shafts in its irons.

    Posted:
    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr.  | Note: MD4 58°/8.C-grind may replace MD/PM
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • Bad9Bad9  4602WRX Points: 495Handicap: 9.2Members Posts: 4,602
    Joined:  #16
    Posted:
    Ping G410 Plus 10.5°/Alta CB55 r flex
    Ping G400 7w/Alta CB r flex
    Ping G400 4h/Alta CB r flex
    Ping G400 5h/Alta CB r flex
    Ping IE1 6-U/CFS70 r flex
    Ping Glide 2.0 ES 58°/CFS70 r flex
    Mizuno Bettinardi C06
  • Break68Break68 Obviously Your'e NOT a Golfer Vancouver, Canada 624WRX Points: 62Handicap: 12Members Posts: 624
    Joined:  #17

    Paddy_2_Iron.....you said you would not be back.....and yet here you are.

    Welcome Back Kotter indeed!

    Posted:
    Callaway XR16 driver 10.5*, Stiff
    Callaway XR16 3 wood 15*, Stiff
    Callaway Rogue 4 hybrid 21*, Stiff
    Callaway X-22 4-pw, Rifle 6.0
    Maltby Tour Grind MG 52* 56* 60*, Rifle 6.0
    Odyssey O-Works 1 Wide
    Lamkin R.E.L. ACE Midsize Grips
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99  4578WRX Points: 518Members Posts: 4,578
    Joined:  #18
    Posted:
  • CLS306CLS306  7WRX Points: 19Handicap: 5Members Posts: 7
    Joined:  #19

    You wanted your previous thread closed because you didn't like the responses you were getting, so you decided to start a new one? IMO, you should just play your Hawkeyes and stop spending money on clubs. Improve your ball striking until you get better then upgrade to a newer set of GI style irons that you can find USED for under $400. Last bit is important, but stay AWAY FROM MASTERFIT!

    Posted:
  • LeoLeo99LeoLeo99  4578WRX Points: 518Members Posts: 4,578
    Joined:  #20

    Have you played a Supersoft? I have a couple dozen for free and dumped them in the box with the pinnacles but took a sleeve out in the cold weather for a round. They are very nice on the soft greens. I backed a 9 iron up 12 feet last week. That crazy for me. I'm impressed with them so far.

    Posted:
  • RedsReds  627WRX Points: 56Handicap: 6.6Members Posts: 627
    Joined:  #21

    New irons wont make as much difference as you think unless you get a set of MF. If you go the MF route then yes new irons may make a difference.

    Posted:
  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  edited Jan 13, 2020 9:39pm #22

    In that thread......

    Didn't you noticed I asked to shut it down.

    Posted:


  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  edited Jan 13, 2020 9:39pm #23

    I appreciate the insights.

    I'm going to take a look at those irons you listed. A member has some G700 for sale, I really like the look of those. I might just buy them and get new shafts put on them if required. Really considering this.

    I don't feel the hawkeyes are optimized and the MF are really heavy. The heads feel like I have to alter my swing when I take my back swing. I usually have a cupped wrist at the top.

    Posted:


  • mizuno playermizuno player Mizuno player  1569WRX Points: 311Members Posts: 1,569
    Joined:  #24

    P790 with MaaterFit shafts. Good enough for your players. I heard.

    Posted:
  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  #25

    I bet you those would play. If you got the higher end ones..... With that said no thanks.

    Posted:


  • danielt823danielt823 Melbourne 74WRX Points: 62Members Posts: 74
    Joined:  #26

    If you are looking for suggestions on irons for a higher handicap player, I’m sure there have been lots of these topics in the past. In this instance the search function is your friend to try and find those topics.

    However you can’t fault anyone here for getting annoyed that you have brought this topic up again. Here is a direct quote from a post on the 6th of January on page 4(can’t post the link from my phone):

    ’but what in the heck was I thinking trying to replace these Hawkeyes? They are fantastic irons for 20 handicaps. Forgiving and really respond on thin hits’

    You have answered your own question here, keep playing the Hawkeyes. Don’t change until you are atleast a 15, build up other parts of your bag, replace that masterfit **** one piece at a time and just go out and play the game. Get some lessons, fix up your swing until it’s repeatable and then look at some new irons.

    You mentioned you are looking for a replacement to help the ball go straight? No shaft and iron combo will do that for you, some may be a little more forgiving yes, but it won’t go straight until the face to path relationship is fixed up.

    I may be ranting here, but you have also started one or two threads like this in the instruction section. More often than not the questions you are asking may have already been asked so you may find answers already posted rather than starting new threads. And then to compound that, when knowledgeable people give you advice you dont seem to take it onboard and listen, you get defensive and it creates hostility and arguments and people get annoyed (and great reading might I add).

    A good way to find older threads is to either use search, or google your topic and write golfwrx. Eg: ‘best irons for high handicap golfwrx’ will give you a lot of previous threads so will require you to read them but there is already so much knowledge in this forum, so go back and have a look through it.

    Posted:

    D: Callaway epic flash - Mitsubishi Diamana whiteboard d70+
    FW: Callaway epic flash - Mitsubishi Diamana whiteboard d70+
    I: Mizuno MP20 - KBS $-Taper (Black PVD) (3 HMB/4,5,6,7 MMC/8,9,PW MB)
    W: Titleist SM7 Chrome (50/56/60)
    P: Taylormade Spider X Tour - Blue/Small Slant
    B: Titleist ProV1
    Bag: Taylormade Flextech Crossover

  • texcromtexcrom Franklin, TN 3656WRX Points: 307ClubWRX Posts: 3,656
    Joined:  #27

    Unbelievable.

    Posted:
    WITB
    Titleist TS3 10.5 degree HZRDUS Black Smoke 6.0 70g Stiff
    Titleist TS3 15 degree HZRDUS Black Smoke 6.0 70g Stiff
    Titleist U500 3 iron HZRDUS Black Smoke 6.0 80g Stiff
    Titleist U500 4 iron HZRDUS Black Smoke 6.0 80g Stiff
    Titleist T100 4-PW AMT Tour White S-300
    Titleist Vokey SM7 52-12F, 56-10S, 60-10S
    Titleist Scotty Cameron T-22 Newport
    Titleist Pro V1X

    Alternate Bag
    Taylor Made SIM 9.0 degree HZRDUS Black Smoke 6.0 70g Stiff (ordered)
    Taylor Made 15 degree HZRDUS Black Smoke 6.0 70g Stiff
    Taylor Made P790 (2019) 4 - PW S-300
    Titleist Vokey SM7 48-10F, 54-10S
    Titleist Scotty Cameron T-22 Newport 2 

    GO VOLS!
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • HaberHaber  211WRX Points: 102Handicap: 7.3Members Posts: 211
    Joined:  #29

    Like a wise man once said. It’s the Indian not the arrow. Play your Hawkeyes and be done with it. If you want to hit more greens, hit the practice range and go to work. As a 23 cap you can not be expecting to hit a lot if greens. Understand you will miss most of them and work on your chipping and putting. Up and downs get the cap down. New irons will not turn you into a ball striking machine but practice will.

    Posted:
  • Marco ColoMarco Colo  661WRX Points: 195Handicap: 18.5Members Posts: 661
    Joined:  #30

    Welcome back pal, I think it is a pity that the previous topic was closed, lots of entertainment there.

    You are somewhat the Arthur Fleck of the forum.

    Posted:
  • GolfWRXGolfWRX Warning Points: 0  11 Members Posts: 11 #ad
    Joined:  ...

    Advertisement
  • Paddy_2_IronPaddy_2_Iron  415WRX Points: 74Handicap: 19Members Posts: 415
    Joined:  #31

    @danielt823

    Thanks for sharing those nuggets of information. After doing some searched I discovered a new concept. Instead of masking the problem with SGI/GI clubs some members found it more beneficial to play blades or less improve irons. One of the reasons states was due to what they learned on. I tend to agree, I started with thin clubs so maybe this is a good idea.

    Another interesting piece was around knowing where you misses are and how it responds. Def something to consider.

    I have to admit I am a little nervous about the blades but might consider going to a forged iron for ball spin and less dispersion. I like the Hawkeyes you don't worm burn them because they are so massive and I get them up in the air most of the time. I think it's time to move on to something with a little more accuracy.

    Prior to my last 2 rounds I was playing at a 19, so I am decent. Just in a rough patch right now. Right now I anchor onto to my 240 drives. That seems to be something that seperates me from the other weekend hacks.

    Posted:


11
This discussion has been closed.