How far do you think technology has advanced in the past decade?

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ChrisMcQChrisMcQ  15WRX Points: 42Handicap: PGAMembers Posts: 15
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Hello all,


I would like to hear your opinions on how technologies surrounding golf clubs - specifically drivers (all other feedback is welcome) - has advanced in the past decade or so.


Personally, I feel like adjustable hosels have been the only industry changing revolution. Launch monitors almost fall into this category.


I accept that the new materials and manufacturing processes are improvements, but have they really made that much difference?


Happy to be persuaded otherwise. Thanks!

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WITB:


TMade 17" M2, Aldila Voodoo X

Titleist 915 3 whacker, Aldila Rogue X

Mizuno FliHi 3, KBS Tour X

4-Pw TMade P770, KBS C-Taper X

50/54 TMade Milled Grind, KBS C-Taper Lite X

60 Vokey SM6

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  • MudguardMudguard  1353WRX Points: 154Members Posts: 1,353
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    How much have drivers actually progressed?

    If you took a TS2 and 905R head and compared the centre strikes, 10mm left, 10mm right, how much of a difference is there?

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  • avguyavguy Replacement Player Sonoran Desert, AZ 1094WRX Points: 132Members Posts: 1,094
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    Well, titanium left the faces of fairway woods mostly in favor of just thin steel and now at a much higher price point is back in several OEMs again.

    What about "milled" faces on irons? Or is that just ancient tech re-born? There may have been milled putters a decade back, but I don't recall irons.

    I also think there has been more conscious effort in shafts over the past decade in regards to kick & balance points. See Proj.X LZ in irons, some drivers now becoming couterbalanced to the head. Much more effort in putters with this weighting.

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  • HackDaddy360HackDaddy360 VP of Dadding  101WRX Points: 49Members Posts: 101
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    Having just upgraded the bag after about a decade of not doing so - I can say it’s changed a lot.

    Whats also changed is the ability to fit players better and with more/better/accurate tech. Getting not only better tech in clubs but better tech in clubs that maximize your move on the ball is a huge leap forward in the last decade.

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  • philly2kukphilly2kuk  690WRX Points: 107Members Posts: 690
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    I’d say technology has come a decent way in drivers but more so in irons. I find drivers more forgiving now but centre strikes are the same.


    Having just changed my irons after 6 years of using my old ones I’ve gained 10 yards of carry and I’m hitting them higher....yes the lower loft contributes to the carry but hitting my 8 iron higher but ten yards further without losing accuracy has made a huge difference to my game.

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    Ping G 17.5
    Taylormade Rescue Dual 22°
    Ping G410 4-UW
    Vokey SM7 56°/14° and 60°/10°
    Scotty Cameron T22 Newport
    Titleist Pro V1x

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  • BB28403BB28403  4173WRX Points: 636Members Posts: 4,173
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    Well I’m reading a book from 2006 and they mention using a Launch Monitor... sooo not as much as you think.

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  • Red4282Red4282  605WRX Points: 246Members Posts: 605
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    Not much at all. But to be fair there isnt any room for technology to make a difference in terms of distance due to all the restrictions. I do believe drivers of today are more forgiving than those of 10 years ago, but its not by alot.

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  • Jimjam651Jimjam651  103WRX Points: 77Handicap: 3Members Posts: 103
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    I went to a fitting last year to update my Titleist 910 driver and none of the new drivers gave me any ball speed gains

    I imagine the only differences with new drivers is slightly improved ball speed across the face on mis hits? Hard to measure consistently I guess?

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    Driver - Titleist 910 D3 10.5 Motore Speeder VC6.1
    3 wood - Titleist 910 F 15 Motore Speeder VC 7.1
    Hybrid - Titleist 910 H 19 Diamana Kai'li
    Irons - Mizuno JPX 919 Tour 4 - 5 KBS Tour
    Irons - Mizuno MP 68 6 - PW KBS Tour
    Wedges - 52, 56 & 60 SM7
    Putter - Yes! Callie

  • SBH9458SBH9458 Go Army! Beat Navy!  1190WRX Points: 170Handicap: ClimbingMembers Posts: 1,190
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    Not a whole lot. Restrictions limit COR for drivers to a max limit, so we are where we are going until that changes for distance. Forgiveness? Maybe so.

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  • storm319storm319 US 4019WRX Points: 292Members Posts: 4,019
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    If the OP is referring to firsts during the decade that were adopted by the major OEMs, then the adjustable hosel belongs to the previous decade (although you could count the dual cog adapter in this decade).

    To be honest, we didn’t really see anything ground breaking in the past decade, simply minor improvements to existing approaches.

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  • J13J13 Dad golf Maryland 15996WRX Points: 1,027Handicap: +1.6Members Posts: 15,996
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    Drivers today compared to 10 years ago are better in every way. That doesn't mean you are 20yds longer but that you added a few mph in ball speed and you also maintain more speed on off center hits.

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    Fairway wood - Under construction
    Irons - Under Construction
    Wedges - Under Construction
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  • balls_deepballs_deep Wanna earn 14 bucks the hard way? 2028WRX Points: 1,242Handicap: SnowMembers Posts: 2,028
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    Center to center not much has changed. That's why all manufacturers are marketing aerodynamics to make the player swing faster rather than speed increases off the face. The key is good fit and a good swing. If your driver is within 3 years you're giving up next to nothing if it is correctly fit for your swing despite what many on here would argue.




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    Titleist TS3 8.5° Project X Evenflow White 6.5 62g
    Titleist 917F2 15.75°  Project X HZRDUS Handcrafted Black 6.0 75g
    Titleist 818 H1 19° Project X HZRDUS Handcrafted Black 6.0 85g
    Titleist 818 H1 23° Aldila Rogue 85x
    Wilson Staff Tour V6 Nippon Super Peening Blue X Wilson Staff Blade 4-PW KBS C-Taper Black S+
    Vokey SM7 50F 56M 60M DG TI S400
    Scotty Cameron Futura 5.5M
    Pro V1x/TP5x


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  • MyherobobhopeMyherobobhope hey there, blimpy boy. Flying through the sky so fancy free.  2480WRX Points: 435Members Posts: 2,480
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    Technology killed hank kuehne!

    he played at the club I grew up on and put the ball in places I dare not dream of... dude was long.

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    Driver: Adams Fast 12 LS with Matrix Black Tie (to be replaced)
    3W: Adams Fast 12 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    Hybrid: Bridgestone j40 with Excalibur (to be replaced)
    4-9: Taylor Made Oversize (to be replaced)
    PW: Mizuon HMP with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    50 degree Vokey with DG120 Stiff (5/6)
    56 and 60 degree Cleveland Wedges (to be replaced)
    Odyssey Tank #7 (only club I'm keeping this season)

  • Rosco1216Rosco1216  3086WRX Points: 247Members Posts: 3,086
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    Driver shafts have come a long way, especially for high speed guys who need to cut spin. 10 years ago they needed and 80-90g shaft that was super stiff and felt like a board to keep launch and spin under control. Now a days they can get that same spin control in a smooth feeling 60g shaft.

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    FW - who knows
    P790 UDI 17* - PX 7.0
    Miura CB 1008(4-P) - PX 7.0
    Bridgestone TourB XW1 50/55//60* - X100
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  • ChrisMcQChrisMcQ  15WRX Points: 42Handicap: PGAMembers Posts: 15
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    Some great responses 🤙


    I will admit I have a reasonably up-to-date bag which I was fully custom fit for. I believe that if I was fully custom fit for, lets say a 10 year old driver, today, and compared it to all of the latest offerings then there would be little to no improvement over distance on good shots. I would say we have a better understanding of club fitting than we did 10 years ago so would be able to provide a better, more accurate fit now than we did 10 years ago.


    Now bad shots/poor strikes, that I can believe there would be a difference but just how much i'm not sure. Anyone on the same boat as @Jimjam651 ?

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    WITB:


    TMade 17" M2, Aldila Voodoo X

    Titleist 915 3 whacker, Aldila Rogue X

    Mizuno FliHi 3, KBS Tour X

    4-Pw TMade P770, KBS C-Taper X

    50/54 TMade Milled Grind, KBS C-Taper Lite X

    60 Vokey SM6

  • 1Mordrid11Mordrid1  829WRX Points: 210Members Posts: 829
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    I feel golf technology has definitely advanced, however the gains are not as noticeable for everyone.

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    PXG  0811x Oban Tour Limited 04
    Callaway Rogue 4 wood w/ Oban Kiyoshi White 4 65g
    PXG 0317 19 Hybrid Fujikura Pro 2.0 s
    Srixon U65 20° Miyazaki Kaula 7 s
    PXG 0211 irons 5-G True Temper Elevate 95 S (1°flat 1°weak D4)
    PING Glide 3.0 TS 56/ KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 115
    PING Glide 3.0 SS 60/KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 115
    PXG Mustang 365g single bend
    Snell MTB Black
  • Ri_RedneckRi_Redneck Leather for Life!!  5682WRX Points: 310Handicap: 8Members Posts: 5,682
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    IMHO, it goes like this:

    Drivers - Very little. MOI is about it.

    Irons - New looks at tech that has been around a while. OEMs seem to be getting better at making the tech more aesthetically pleasing (which DOES matter to some of us).

    Wedges - Some new stuff with CoG placement and sole grinds, but not much really new.

    Putters - Some new tech concerning the face and large designs that increase MOI.

    Balls - A lot of tech here in construction and pricing. Big fan of Vice.

    Shoes - I like the BOA tech, but haven't scored a pair yet.

    BT

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    Bag 1
    F7 9.5* - Aldila Copperhead 70TX @ 44.5
    King LTD Blk 14.5* - Aldila RIP Beta 80 S @ 43
    King LTD Blk 19* - Aldila RIP Beta 80 S @ 41.5
    Mizuno MP15 4-pw - Aldila RIP Tour 115 R
    Mizuno MP-T5 Black 52, 56 & 60 - TT Wedge

    Bag 2
    Mizuno ST180 9.5* - Diamana Kai'Li 70 X
    Mizuno GPX850 14.5* - Motore Speeder TS 7.3 S
    Mizuno GPX850 20* - Motore Speeder TS 8.3
    Mizuno MP25 4-pw - Recoil Proto 125 F4
    Mizuno MP-T5 Satin 52, 56, & 60 TT Wedge
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  • Twism86Twism86  449WRX Points: 78Members Posts: 449
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    Like for me! The thin, fat and off center hits cannot be salvaged by any amount of better technology.


    Maybe 10 years is too short but over 15-20 I would say that swing analytics have likely improved greatly. Fitters and coaches have so much technology right now to analyse your swing, see where your common miss hits are and then work to improve that specifically. Just having a phone that record slow motion to get a better video of someones swing can help greatly, that wasn't available to everyone 10 years ago. Now everyone has a high speed camera in their pocket. The club technology is now there to help people with an imperfect swing still hit straight and long.

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    TM AeroBurner 9.5*
    TM SpeedBlades 4-PW
    Odyssey White Hot RX #1
    A bunch of random wedges
  • C6 SnowboarderC6 Snowboarder  26WRX Points: 28Handicap: 6.6Members Posts: 26
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    Would agree with the above post on shaft inprovements... but the head itself not much difference. Using my beloved 2007 K15 Driver for example... I have tried many drivers to see if I get get better drives. But even the new Pings 400 or 410 SFT is about the same in control, forgiveness . I have changed shafts in my K15 to keep up. The M6 Taylormade D type is about the only one I have found to be equal to my K15 using the same exact shaft in both. Your results and findings may be different since I am an old guy swinging 95 mph straight down the middle.

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  • DpavsDpavs OverWRX'ed Michigan 3634WRX Points: 386ClubWRX Posts: 3,634
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    Milled faces have actually been around for a while. Cleveland used micro-milling on the CG1's back around 2004-2006'ish.

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  • J13J13 Dad golf Maryland 15996WRX Points: 1,027Handicap: +1.6Members Posts: 15,996
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    I would say there have been more improvements for amateur players than professional.

    1. More ball speed on mishits
    2. Fitting is common place now which has made the biggest difference for amateurs
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    Fairway wood - Under construction
    Irons - Under Construction
    Wedges - Under Construction
    Odyssey Stroke Lab Double Wide Flow Neck
    Srixon Zstar XV

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  • GolfingfanaticGolfingfanatic  3410WRX Points: 440Handicap: 3.0Members Posts: 3,410
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    I think a big advancement in drivers in the past few years is ball speed retention and spin consistency. To me the new drivers feel a lot more predictable compared to say a SLDR.

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    Tour Edge Exotics CB Pro 13.5° w/ Fuji Speeder 757 S
    Cobra F6 Baffler 18.5° w/ Nippon NS Pro 950FW S-Flex Tipped 1"
    Yonex Ezone CB-301 4-PW w/ Nippon Modus 125X
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  • ckalinecckalinec  142WRX Points: 123Members Posts: 142
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    Wrong thread.

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  • PhlashPhacePhlashPhace  47WRX Points: 14Members Posts: 47
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    Nothing really for me. I always have the latest and greatest and honestly if you gave me whatever I had in my bag in 2010 and the ball I used in 2010 and I doubt anything would be different in my game. I still play a lot of the same courses I did as a jr golfer and I've been hitting the same clubs into each hole for the past 20+ years.

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  • Lincoln_ArcadiaLincoln_Arcadia We're supposed to be having fun here...yeah, right. So. Cal. 752WRX Points: 82Handicap: 7.4Members Posts: 752
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    Forgiveness is the key. It lets me rip a drive and it stays on the fairway.

    That same forgiving face also keeps serious mishits on the fairway or first cut. Haven’t been in the trees since the TM M2 came out and I carry about 250 on average.

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