Low Spin on a Budget... is it possible?

So I just went to demo drivers, as I've been interested in the ST200G since I saw it was coming out... I had the wrong shaft in, but I liked the head alot... I was not impressed by my spin numbers. I was swing about 110 and hitting the center of the face (We had it taped up due to them not having demos on hand) and I was generating 4k of spin... Guy has fit me before, and it was a slow Monday, so we started messing around with other heads and shafts... Ended up in the SIM with a Ventus shaft in it (70x). It still didn't get my spin below 3000 (My path is negative, so I hit it left and fade it back, which generates spin).

I don't think I need to change my driver swing, though that's an option... Eventually, I'd like to get a driver where money is not a concern... but in the meantime, any suggestions on a low cost, low spin alternative? I am plenty happy to go heavier on the shaft, as I tend to get along well with heavier shafts... I probably won't go steel, but I'd consider it!

Had this same issue for a long time and took lessons to hit up on the ball. It reduces spin like nothing else, not loft, shaft, or head could change it as dramatically, On bad days I'll still chop down on it and hit balloon balls. If you want gear go ahead but some practice may work out better.

You can try the outgoing ST-190G with the stock atmos black TS which is/was a very low spin head/shaft combo. But If you are spinning a low spin head 4k RPM, it's kinda hard to blame the head, that is absolutely swing induced.

For an affordable low spin head. I can only think of the SLDR or the R9 Superdeep.

What was your dynamic loft? High speed + Negative AoA + high(ish) dynamic loft = high spin loft. From what I've seen, the SIM is the lowest spinning head since SLDR so I'm inclined to think you are adding some loft thru impact if you were striking the face in the middle. Depending how negative you are on AoA though, you might need to accept spins in the upper 2000's at that speed. Being slightly negative on attack is fine IMHO but if you're like -4 or or -5... that's just not optimal.

SLDR and a Aldila NV green can be had for very cheap and will be a low spin set up if delivered correctly. Loft will be the number one thing for you to mitigate spin besides swing changes

I was hitting a Mavrik Max along with a SIM Max at a store the other day on the launch monitor. I couldn't figure out why the SIM Max was going like 30 yards farther. I had hit some solid shots with the Mavrik but they would only go like 210 yards of carry. We looked at the numbers and it had like 4k spin. Turns out it was because the driver still had the plastic and label on the head. After removing that, the numbers went back to more typical numbers.

You mentioned the driver being taped up, not sure if that is impacting your spin numbers.

Believe it or not, I have a positive angle of attack. Was getting up to 4 degrees.

How cheap? Rogue Sub Zero for around $100 are out there

Yeah, definitely going to try the mizuno again with a different shaft once they get in the demo heads and shafts...

King LTD

That’s what I’m gaming now.

ever try the LTD Pro?

That's even lower spin

xr16pro was pretty low spin for me as well

both very affordable options

Lowest spinning head I know of was the SLDR, this had the massive trade off of forgiveness though, hence the move from SLDR straight to R15 then right into the M family. SLDR was a tought club, R15 didnt catch the fire is should have.

SLDR with a made for 7M3 Blacktie on the bay..... cheap head and shaft, ultra low spin.

If you have a positive AoA at 4* what is your Launch angle and total height. to spin it at 4000rpms, requires some pretty decent amount loft at impact, to get that spin with a positive AoA?

I honestly don’t know which I have... sounds like I should just find an aldila green nv and see what happens.

Wilson cortex could certainly fit this bill.

you could also look at the callaway GBB from 2015.

I was launching a 9 degree driver at 14 degrees. Fitter was saying I come across the ball and that’s what generates so much spin.

also, I absolutely bombed the sldr until the 11th hole when I demoed it... tried to hit a draw and completely lost the club for the rest of the round!

SLDR - End of Thread,

or as someone else mentioned maybe an older 7* Superdeep head paired with the correct shaft? Getting that much spin with a +4 AOA is weird, so like others have said you must be swiping across it? I struggle with high spin due to negative AOA, but am typically no where near what you are.

Yeah, I was getting 280 out of my current swing, which is still rusty from winter... I was definitely coming across the ball... I might work on a swing change to lower spin... might just find the lowest spinning shaft I can on eBay and slap it in my cobra Ltd

two that always fly under the radar are biocell pro and Adams fast 12 ls. Still have the heads, only replaced when I hit the g400lst,

The problem is that if you are truly hitting the center then no driver will help you. The SLDR is low spin because it is extremely low MOI, but that requires strikes above the center to kill the spin, otherwise loft is loft and your spin won't change. Every single driver when struck dead center will spin the same IF the static loft of the head and the dynamic loft delivered at impact are the same. Low spin comes from either less loft, static/dynamic or both, or vertical gear effects reducing spin at impact, which require a high strike. 4,000 spin is pretty nutty and almost certainly either the product of either faulty measuring, strikes that are actually below center, or a pretty significant swing flaw producing a ton of dynamic loft. Someone hitting 4* up and striking it centered could only produce that kind of spin if the driver loft was way too high or they were flipping at impact and creating that excess dynamic loft.

With all other variables being equal, shafts will NOT change spin more than several hundred RPMs in either direction. Your strike location or your delivery has to change for changes bigger than that, which a shaft CAN potentially do, but not in any reliable or predictable way. I would first confirm that these numbers you are seeing are accurate because no one is getting 280 out of 110mph with 4,000 spin.

Per @Valtiel , I would guess that the following is the problem. Hitting up on the ball is great when done correctly. But for many mortals I think it causes more problems than benefits. DJ hits up on the ball but his hands are still ahead of the club at impact. I don't know what your swing is like but when I try to hit up on the ball I often end up adding a lot of loft at impact and there is no benefit. We are all different (and others are better than I am) but I've got the best results trying to swing pretty level (maybe up 1-2) and trying to keep the impact above the centre line.Someone hitting 4* up and striking it centered could only produce that kind of spin if the driver loft was way too high or they were flipping at impact and creating that excess dynamic loft.

Replaced the fast 12 ls with a cobra Ltd pro... I haven’t put it on a launch monitor. Going to hit up my pro for a lesson and see if I can further improve my swing.

and Ping Anser if you can find one. Low spin and WAY more forgiving/user friendly

I think the 280 was with a Ventura shaft and 3k spin... I had a positive aoa and a significantly negative angle of attack... my path seems fine, so I guess my hands arent staying ahead of the ball.

If you can stand the closed face look then a really good low spin head is the Triton. You can get them super cheap.

There is absolutely no reason to be launching at 14* while hitting up on it 4* and hitting the exact middle of the club to generate that much spin unless you were using a driver around 12* when you actually need something closer to 7.5-8*. Even someone who has an out-in club path can still be low spin, look at Koepka's numbers, he is 2* out-in, and hits down on it, but he is still mid-2000s spin. Of course he's also an elite player but it is possible. Path and angle of attack are only detrimental if they are extreme in each direction. Hitting down isn't ideal but it's not a drive killer by any means.

What loft was the driver at? Where were the weights set? Mizuno said that the ST200G with the weights furthest back is still lower spinning than the ST190G with the weights fully forward. What LM were they using? Trackman, Flightscope, or Foresight? If it was any of the lesser ones like SkyTrak or whatever, then I wouldn't really trust the data. I've never personally used it but I've also heard through the grape vine that even Flightscope is pretty sub-par compared to TM and Quad. Were you striking it perfectly in the middle? It sounds to me like you were catching it low on the head and maybe even slight heel as well.

Just a suggestion for lowering your spin. To help with your AOA try setting your ball off the inside of the front foot. Then set the driver head 3to 4 inches behind the ball, that is most likely where the bottom of your swing will be. Then just take your normal swing and let the ball getting the way of the club head. By doing this you are not trying to hit up on the ball it just naturally happens. It will also help you to swing through the ball and stop the hit response. It did for me. Practice this and if it works you may not need a new driver. If you decide you want a new driver you can’t go wrong with the King LTD Pro. Hits low spin bombs all day long. Good luck.

I actually would think about going lighter on the shaft as opposed to heavier. Take a 60 g stiff shaft like aldilia rogue silver and start to come more from inside and watch your game improve. Try to take out the over the top path as golf season progresses and you will enjoy the game more