Importance of wedge fitting

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Liquid_A_45Liquid_A_45 Broken Arrow, OKMembers  829WRX Points: 165Handicap: 12.3Posts: 829 Golden Tee
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I am in the process of upgrading my entire bag this spring, I started by doing my first real fitting experience for a set of irons. The process really opened my eyes to realize it was more than juts buying a set and having the length and lie adjusted. I am now looking for new wedges and I am curious if getting fit for wedges is as important as irons? All of the places that do fittings in my area do them indoors, so I can't try these wedges in playing conditions which in my opinion have the biggest impact on what wedges to buy. Also, if I could save some money by buying gently used or last year's closeouts that would let me go ahead and upgrade my driver.


So I am looking for some feedback as the best way to go about this. Do I need to go get fit or can I go about this a DIY way without wasting my time?

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  • Golf64Golf64 Go Habs Go! Ontario, CanadaMembers  8279WRX Points: 406Handicap: ScotchPosts: 8,279 Titanium Tees
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    Every club in the bag needs to be fit!! Especially with wedges. Loft/distance gapping, grinds/bounce, lie, lengths.

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9315WRX Points: 1,470Posts: 9,315 Titanium Tees
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    Super important if you're a serious golfer. Even better if you can get fit outdoors on real grass and even go into a bunker.

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  • ThunderBuzzworthThunderBuzzworth Hulk... Smash!! Members  2636WRX Points: 216Handicap: +3Posts: 2,636 Titanium Tees
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    The biggest part of wedge fitting is yardage gapping and sole grinds. If you have a grind that doesn’t interact with the turf in your favor it can be nightmarish around the greens. When hitting them try a variety of short game shots with different face angles etc with the different grinds to see which one works best for what you need

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  • cgasuckscgasucks Members  2505WRX Points: 416Posts: 2,505 Titanium Tees
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    The better you get at this game, the more important wedges are.

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  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members  2153WRX Points: 472Posts: 2,153 Platinum Tees
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    @Liquid_A_45 ,

    First, how do you use your wedges? Do you use them mostly inside 80 yards for partial shots, or do you often hit full shots with the PW? or PW and GW? or PW, GW and SW?

    What are the most common close in "short game" shots you hit with your wedges?


    Second, get some off-the-turf testing of wedges which will match your shot needs. Local turf conditions influence wedge choice.

    Your location is great for this: find golf expos and demo days in Tulsa and OKC and give the wedges a workout there. Also...

    • If you like Vokeys, find a golf course that holds Titleist Thursdays. Tell them you want to try out Vokey wedges.
    • See if Cleveland has any short-game clinics coming through your area.

    Note: I lived in Lawton twice, so congrats to you on living in a golf-intensive state!

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    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr.  | Note: MD4 58°/8.C-grind may replace MD/PM
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • MelloYelloMelloYello Upstate, SCMembers  3771WRX Points: 982Handicap: 8Posts: 3,771 Titanium Tees
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    You should be able to figure this stuff out without having to have a person there to guide you through it. Figure out what wedges you're interested in and research the bounce/grind options. Vokey has lots of options for instance, probably more than any other OEM, and consequently there's tons of info/reviews out there regarding both the moderate (i.e. F, S) grinds as well as the more extreme variants (i.e. M, K, etc.).


    You should know whether you prefer a full flange with high bounce or something that's been ground down to accommodate opening up the face (if you play those shots often). Experiment a little. Buy a couple used wedges or borrow someone's or go to a demo day if you have to. All the info is out there. There's not really anything you'll get in a wedge "fitting" besides a little experience. Deciding which lofts to carry is mostly just a debate about whether to carry 2 wedges or 3 wedges (not counting your Pw of course).


    It mostly depends on the courses you play and how soft/firm the turf is. I can't imagine playing the soft (sometimes soggy) courses here without being on the high side bounce-wise. Then again, if I played in west Texas I'd probably have lower bounce angles (at least on my Gw and Sw).


    Really, it all comes down to what you feel works for you on chips and pitches. It's all about confidence. I prefer having a little extra bounce. That's really all there is. My experience has shown me that I can make any wedge work so long as it's got enough bounce. It's not a very complicated topic TBH.

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    Driver: M3 w. Tensei CK Pro Org.
    Fairway: M6 3w
    Hybrid: Tour Edge E8 (19, 22)
    Irons: 716 CB (5-Pw)
    Wedges: SM6 52-F / 56-F / 60-S
    Putter: Newport 2 Select
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  • naws-golfernaws-golfer Members  1662WRX Points: 128Handicap: 3.5Posts: 1,662 Platinum Tees
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    if you have the ability to do a wedge fitting and gapping, work with a professional. no doubt.

    I've been pretty happy with med to low bounce on my 52, higher bounce on a 56 and low bounce to medium on my 60.

    I play firm courses in the south, damper courses in the mountains, florida, all over.

    If you don't go professional, versatility is your friend. i'd stay away from high bounce lob wedges unless your AoA is steep. I woul dtry and find out the bounce on your pw and match a gap wedge to that, because for me, I only use a 52 or 50 for full to 3/4 shots.

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  • QuigleyDUQuigleyDU Members  9966WRX Points: 3,338Handicap: 8Posts: 9,966 Titanium Tees
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    I think the complication comes in because people see all these bounce options with letters but really have no idea what they mean. Plus, a specific wedge fitting takes a lot more effort. You need to be outdoors, hitting good golf balls, from various yardages including around the green.

    It is almost impossible to do.

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    WEDGES; CLEVELAND RTX4: 52, 58, 64
    PUTTER; Kronos release long neck
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    I disagree with gapping wedges a bit more now given how often they are actually hit with full shots. I feel that the majority of shots from within 100 yards are manipulated in some way depending on what is needed in that situation, and are more of a 'specialty' thing in my mind, preferred pets shots that you have the most confidence in being able to repeat/achieve good results.


    Someone who plays PW/52/58 isn't concerned about gapping, as I'm sure most shots from 100y in are played with the 58* unless they are knocking a 52* low or into the wind.


    As nice as it is to have options in the bag, it also confuses people and stifles creativity/imagination. I think this is only becoming more of an issue as OEM's change the letter/number on the bottom of the club.

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    Woods - Cobra F8 3 & 5 w/ 80X Kai'Li
    Hybrids - TM GAPR Low 3 & Mid 5 w/ Speeder 8.8 TS
    Irons - TM 300 Forged 5-PW w/ DG TI S400
    Wedges - Vokey SM7 52F & 58S w/ DG TI S400
    Putter - Yes! Abbie Forged 33" (with a pile of lead tape)

  • Ago0330Ago0330 Members  4WRX Points: 12Posts: 4 Starters
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    Take the tour bag full of wedges. Pick the one that has the tightest dispersion.

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    I agree. A casual Lw from me probably goes ~90-yds. Some people would say that's not specific enough--saying "probably goes," but the truth is, 90 is just one number. You're making it up on the spot with virtually every number. Even day-to-day there will be fluctuation in whatever your stock shot does. Heck, if you put a gun to my head and told me to hit it 115 I probably could, simply because I understand how to manipulate it.


    I totally agree that wedge gapping is over-rated. I carry a 52 / 56 / 60 combo by mostly just hit the 52 for flighted shots and the 60 for shots inside 95. It's rare that I feel I need the 56. It's more a right-place, right-time sort of club such as when the lie mandates it--fluffy sand, a chip from soggy areas, a chip that needs to release slightly, a slight up-hill lie, etc..

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    Driver: M3 w. Tensei CK Pro Org.
    Fairway: M6 3w
    Hybrid: Tour Edge E8 (19, 22)
    Irons: 716 CB (5-Pw)
    Wedges: SM6 52-F / 56-F / 60-S
    Putter: Newport 2 Select
  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 IowaClubWRX  20897WRX Points: 4,862Posts: 20,897 ClubWRX
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    Wedge fitting I had was extremely beneficial when I got my SM6s a few years ago. Mostly for working with the different grinds and how they interacted with my swing and on different shots and having an eye on my swing to help with the process and evaluate the results. My ideas of what grinds were right for me based on researching on Titleist, etc. just were not correct in 2/3 of the wedges I ended up with as far as the grinds were concerned. Good to have an experienced fitter available to answer questions, control variables, etc.

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  • 3riC3riC Members  199WRX Points: 67Posts: 199 Fairways
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    imho most people (incl. myself) struggle for consistency and distance control. if you're thinning the ball around the green and/or hitting it too long/short within 100-120, the bounce/grind ain't going to matter much

    unless you can get fitted with a Trackman, outdoor turf AND at your home club (or where ever you play your golf most), the impact of wedge fitting just doesn't feel as critical to me

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  • wedgegamewedgegame Members  23WRX Points: 27Posts: 23 Bunkers
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    Not to de-rail too much, but what are everyone's thoughts on matching iron shafts to wedge shafts? I play 50/54/58, but the 50 is the only real full swing club.

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  • jorgesgolf2jorgesgolf2 Members  25WRX Points: 37Posts: 25 Bunkers
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    Recently, I went with a softer shaft in the SW and LW. For me, I got fitted into Project X lz 5.5 in my irons (firm flex), and my sand and lob wedge is LZ 5.0. My gap wedge still has 5.5. I buy everything used, so it took a while to find the right loft/grind/shaft combo for each of the wedges because not all manufacturers used the LZ shafts with regularity (Mizuno and PING being the most common). It may be more of a mental thing than anything, though. I don't think my scores are all that better than when I had similar wedges with S200s in them.

    Regarding wedge fitting - I can see the merit if the fitting is done under the ideal conditions mentioned above (outside/on grass/variety of lies, etc). The reality is that a lot of us don't have access to that environment, and that's okay. The information is out there and can be overwhelming, but I think most people can get a good approximation by combining an assessment of their game with picking up a couple of used wedges in different grinds and trying them out. If I had $100 to spend on 'golf stuff', I would definitely spend it on a couple of lessons over a wedge fitting.

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    How do people feel about the wedge selector tool on Vokey's website?

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    To me I don't really care about re-learning what the bounce is, what works best with what turf-types, and then triangulate that with shot variety very couple of years that I get new wedges, so I'd rather pay a fitter to walk me through the process without breaking out a protractor :)

    It also helped my game a little. We "purpose-built" my 52 and 56 to be used for full-club equivalent use, 60 to be more versatile, then figured out how to configure a 64 vokey. So applying that to the course, now I have basically two higher lofted pitching wedges, then two clubs to screw around with around the green and in bunkers. I could probably now just re-order the same thing though, tbh.

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  • scott_Donaldscott_Donald Aberdeen, Scotland & HoustonMembers  2696WRX Points: 326Posts: 2,696 Titanium Tees
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    I went to Artisan Golf for a wedge fitting just over a month ago now; it was some experience.

    The time that was taken with lots of wedge shots was brilliant. It was an experience I would recommend to anyone. I let myself be lead blind through the whole thing and went with what I was recommended.

    I should be getting the wedges in the next few weeks and very much looking forward to my first practice session with them.

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    • Taylormade M5 15* Tensei White 80TX
    • Taylormade P790 UDI C taper X
    • Mizuno JPX 919 Tour 4-9 C taper X
    • Vokey SM7 RAW 46*F, 50*F C taper X
    • Vokey SM7 RAW 54*M, 60*M S400
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  • mattavery727mattavery727 Members  156WRX Points: 55Handicap: 12.9Posts: 156 Fairways
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    Wedge fitting for the bounce and shaft has helped me knock 3 strokes off my handicap this last 12 months.

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    Rogue Sub Zero 18 - Project X Yellow 6.5

    3 Iron bent to 18 - Srixon Z585 Nippon Modus 120X

    4-PW - Srixon Z765 Nippon Modus 120 TX

    50,54,58: Titleist SM7 Project X 6.5

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  • Double DodgerDouble Dodger Members  132WRX Points: 53Posts: 132 Fairways
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    Find a wedge and grind you like. But you will never see the full potential of a wedge without a loft-lie machine at hand to experiment. You have to be willing to bend, bend and bend again to find the sweet spot. When you find it you’ll know it.

    BTW, I’ve found wedge lie angle to be counter intuitive for me. What would obviously be flatter turned out it played much better upright. You just have to experiment.

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  • getair23getair23 Members  2247WRX Points: 385Posts: 2,247 Platinum Tees
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    Two biggest benefits from my wedge fitting was getting exact lofts for the yardage gaps I want and finding the right heads and shafts to lower trajectory and knock off a little spin.

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  • rt_chargerrt_charger Ball Hitter Members  313WRX Points: 107Posts: 313 Greens
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    Another advocate here for working out what's best for your game and using the fitting to get the right lie, shaft, and length based upon your irons.

    For example, I can't effectively play a lob wedge with over 8 degrees of bounce - I hit it thin, skull it and have no confidence when the lie is remotely firm.

    I use a sand wedge with 10 degrees, because I want more for the bad lies or fluffy sand - will also use that when I happen to want the distance of a full sand iron, or if I need to really chunk down on one hitting a low spinny knockdown.

    Pitch for me is a distance club, and the occasional chip on slow greens or uphill, however gap is my stock chip (not lofted pitch, or chip) club, or my stock knockdown 100 yards.

    I just know these things based on what I want my wedges to do - 4 wedges, 5 degree gaps, barely hit all full.

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    "Golf is a game that is played on a five-inch course - the distance between your ears." - Bobby Jones

    WITB - Brand new (Minus Putter) as of 14/02/2020. Some yet to be fitted.
    • Driver - MIZUNO ST 200 (Yet to be fitted)
    • Fairway - MIZUNO GT 180 TS (Yet to be fitted)
    • Irons - MIZUNO MP-20 Blended Set - 3-6 HMB | 7-9 Blade - KBS $ Taper 130 (Yet to arrive)
    • Wedges - MIZUNO T20 Chrome - 47-07 | 51-08 | 56-10 | 60-06 - KBS Hi Rev 2.0 125 (Yet to arrive)
    • Putter - PING Vault 2.0 - Voss
    • Ball - Titleist Pro V1X
  • Liquid_A_45Liquid_A_45 Broken Arrow, OKMembers  829WRX Points: 165Handicap: 12.3Posts: 829 Golden Tee
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    If my irons were fitted into DG 120 S300 shafts hard stepped, what shafts should I get in my wedges? 54 and 58 specifically.

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  • Howard_JonesHoward_Jones Members  10635WRX Points: 1,656Posts: 10,635 Titanium Tees
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    Wedges and short game is where we can scramble and save a good score, or mess it up, so wedges is just as important as all the others....maybe a tad more important actually.

    It starts with the bag set up, we only have room for 13 clubs after the putter, so depending on your needs in the long end, you have room for 2 or 3 wedges on top of the PW in the short.

    Next is how you normally play each wedge. Some of us is using a GW like it was a #11 iron and thats it, others are more advanced. Then the question becomes what loft you prefer for SAND and if that club also would be your LOB or if you want a LOB at all? When you have filled in the answers to this questions its time to look at each of them for what lofts that gives good gaps further from the PW...

    Today we have a silly amount of shafts and grind options, and static bounce is only the sole angle itself, used to compensate to angle of attack, so that want tell much, we have to look at ALL sole properties from leading edge to sole camber heel to toe, sole length and trailing edge.....

    Are you a picker or a digger? your normal access to the ball and the turf conditions you normally plays is input needed for a club fitter, so is how you mostly play each wedge (mostly full shots, mostly partials, open, square, flops, what ever....

    Im old and short, so my needs is the long end of the bag, so i have to use 2 wedges only on top of my PW, and that demands even more specific specs and sole properties for each of them to be able to meet any distance or conditions needed....

    So, a GOOD wedge fitting is never wrong, but hard to find, and the club fitters expertise is way more important than "brand names", but it is correct enough that Titleist Vokey might have the largest numbers of options to choose from, but that want help you if you cant find a club fitter who can navigate in this options and give you the chance to try them off. Another brand to mention one is EDEL who takes the fitting part seriously as a brand, but again, find a club fitter who know what he is doing, because it takes noting to use the tittle club fitter, but that dont mean they know what they are doing.

    Your job is to find that club fitter, and tell him about your short game and what you want out of each wedge

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