A Different Kind of Rules Violation!

Looks like the RI Governor is not playing around! Three Massachusetts golfers arrested for violating Rhode Island quarantine order - Golf DigestGave me a real belly laugh when I heard about it.

BT

Gave you a belly laugh? Why?

I see nothing amusing in that. A bunch of idiots not obeying simple guidance.

There is a news article about it in Mass Live an on line local news outlets. I guess they put their stuff into a switched car in a macdonalds parking lot to one with Rhode Island plates and someone turned them in.

Cause they're a bunch of idiots that can't follow simple guidance. They could have waited a few months and played Pebble for what this is gonna cost them.

BT

So you laughed because those guys did not follow guidance and by doing that could have exposed other people to a deadly virus? Talk about a sense of humour...

That might be the dumbest sign I’ve seen in a while. C-19 doesn’t obey state lines. Just silly.

Same rules in Delaware. Residents only on their golf courses.

No, it does not but people do. Well, at least they should when so instructed.

Just think about it, Augster. If China had been fenced in the rest of the world would have no virus at all. Simple, huh?

While the virus doesn't obey state lines, responsible people do.

The silly part, at least as far as Delaware is concerned, is that they've closed all the Delaware courses to non-residents but they haven't told Delaware citizens to remain in state. So, they've eliminated non-citizens from bringing the virus into Delaware's golf courses but they haven't eliminated Delaware citizens from traveling to neighboring states and bringing the virus back into Delaware.

If you're going to put up a fence around your tiny state, it needs to work both ways to be effective.

'If you're going to put up a fence around your tiny state, it needs to work both ways to be effective.'

No s**t?

And that was not to you, Leo, but to all those civil servants who have no brain. And that includes also the mister big...

I saw that. I thought RI courses were checking ID's?

Is it really true that in the ID of a US citizen it says where you live? And also in the driving license?

It’s this way in Canada

So when you move you have to renew your documents? Well, that is one way to increase employment.

But what is the reason for that? In my country the authorities see where you live by your social security number in 15 seconds. Why write it on any document?

We have province specific licenses as well.

it also includes your sex, your height, your weight, your eye colour

it’s national ID when inside Canada, in lieu of a passport or Nexus card when going international

1. In before the lock

2. In the US your driver's license serves as an ID card

Unless you don't have one, in which case you get one of these instead:

And why not put an address on it? It is a useful thing to have, as it proves location of residency to those who have an interest in such things, but no access to big brother's identification number registry.

'And why not put an address on it? It is a useful thing to have, as it proves location of residency to those who have an interest in such things,'

People change address, some even quite often. Writing that in an ID means renewal of that document every time, and for what? Who needs that information from a document? This leads us to the next part of your answer 'those who have an interest in such things'. Well, as you are not obliged to present your ID to ANY person I find it hard to understand who might 'those' be in real life. As said before, authorities get any information required of a person in seconds from suitable data channels available for them.

Having said that I have so far not found nor come up with any intelligent reason for writing one's address on an ID. IMHO it is simply waste of time and money, lots of money.

Waiting for someone to present a valid reason. Thank you in advance.

EDIT: Oh, and a valid reason is not 'we have always had that', so please give me something else...

Well. A municipal golf course may offer a discounted rate to residents of the particular city. To obtain that rate it is much easier to show a driver's license than give one's social security number, which in the US is not tied to anything at all.

Prospective employers can also use driver's licenses as proof-of-address for example.

And once I have transferred myself to another region how can they tell I am no longer a resident when I present my expired ID..?

Waiting for effort nr 2...

How is this still running and yet I’ve been silenced very early on

They don't. Some of us are able to keep a foot in both locales as it suits us until the old ID expires, at least.

Perhaps one thing you're not understanding is that the USA is made up of 50 states plus the several territories and districts. Each one has their own police, courts, driving licensing, vehicle registration, state parks, insurance companies, governments, gun laws, etc. In times of crisis the vast inefficiencies are visible but that is how the USA was founded. The various states are separate but united. There were many discussion among our founding fathers regarding the powers of the states vs the federal powers and arguments about where the power should be. Thomas Jefferson was a big proponent of decentralized power with strong state rights whereas Alexander Hamilton was a proponent of a strong central federal government. State rights vs federal rights have long been a struggle in the USA and a main cause of the US Civil War

This seems to be the vast and fundamental difference between US and eg. my country but also most of Europe.

Every vehicle around here carries a registration document (I believe you have that in the US as well). In that document the owner and the occupant of that vehicle are described and that information is publicly available to anybody. Thus from the registration number of any vehicle anybody can find out the owner and the occupant so there is no need to have any address in the driving licence for a DMV to get a hold of a person. Besides, how does the DMV get a hold of a person's driving licence to get their address? Beyond me.

So, around here the address of a person is easily established by any authority or similar, not to mention the fact that there are a million different databases with individual citizens' information which companies can buy so it is no trick to find out where a person lives. And unlike an address printed on a driving licence that information is up to date.

I wonder how many driving licences are renewed per day in the US taking into account that there must be thousands of people moving every single day? As I said before, sounds like lots of time and money wasted for a non-existing benefit. Then again, I heard that there are still people using cashiers checks in the US

Good point, Leo. A huge, united country separated by enormous fragmentation. Poses many challenges.

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FWIW, proof of residency (where an address is the fundamental component of that) is a necessary part of the process, as a 'resident of New York cannot get a driver's license from California (in principle). I don't recall seeing an address on my driver's license back many years ago (I started driving in 1965), so this was changed for a reason. The change process is usually online so pretty simple. And the 'Real ID' process (where your identity has been verified by a relatively rigorous process and will soon be required to board an airplane in the US) is changing the nature of a driver's license anyway.

And an American Passport does not have an address.

I assume that the statement that your vehicle papers in your country have information on the occupants is simply an error on your part.

dave

Everybody who wants to take this discussion in that direction, please raise your hand.

dave

Well, in the US moving across a state line is, in a number of ways similar to moving across an EU border. It is a relatively recent development that there is a pan-european license framework that you would not be required to obtain a new license.

Also, when you move, you must update, renew, and redirect a myriad of items, like utilities and other things. A driver's license is just another thing to change.

Lastly in the US there is no, and not a tremendous desire for, a national population registry. In fact the concept would horrify many Americans, regardless of how close to such a thing many registries come.Mods must be off for the weekend, I imagine this thread is going away pretty soon...

Ari. I have to respectfully disagree. And this isn’t politics mods. It’s history.

I just edited a long description as to why this isn’t nearly the whole truth , but in short “ it’s about slavery “ is the revisionist version taught in schools , it’s not nearly the whole story . I’m a South Carolinian The war was started here . And well before our state militias men attacked fort sumpter . It was started way back in the 1840s with John C Calhoun And has much to do with the north’s want to treat the south as their supply closet , without paying enough for slavery to go away . Let’s not forget that slavery was a wealthy persons endeavor and allowed because Mass and Virginia wouldn’t ratify the original constitution unless it was allowed in. The original constitution did not provide for slavery to go on . So it’s not only a southern states thing .

so I’m not attacking you. So please don’t take it as such. But it’s just not ever going to be boiled down to “ the civil war was about slavery “. That’s like saying the “ the Kentucky derby is about a horse “. Yes. But no.