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Shaft Fitting: Worth It or Not?

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2ndCut162ndCut16 Members  24WRX Points: 15Handicap: 8Posts: 24 Bunkers
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I recently was able to snag a new set of T100 irons off ebay to replace my 714 AP2s. I was able to get these almost below 50% off MSRP, which I thought was a great deal and jumped at the opportunity.

My question is, is it worth going to get a shaft fitting? They currently have DG S300, which was what was in my 714AP2 ( I was not fit for these either), but I'm curious how much the shaft may make a difference? I'm sorry if this has be covered before, I'm just recently was bit by the equipment bug and am trying to learn all that I can.

Given that I saved a good junk of the cost of the clubs, I'd be willing to spend a little to get the right shaft, if it is actually going to make a difference, I just wanted to check here before I spent the $100 for the shaft fitting.

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  • nhaun2nhaun2 Members  89WRX Points: 31Handicap: 2Posts: 89 Fairways
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    I definitely think its worth it with the way the technology has progressed the last 5-10 years. $100 seems kinda steep but I feel like most places will credit that back or at least a portion of it if you make a purchase through them.

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  • monkeyboymonkeyboy Lefty Boomers  870WRX Points: 266Handicap: 8.6Posts: 870 Golden Tee
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    100% worth it. More important than the head IMO.

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    Wood (14.5) - Cobra F9 Aldila NV Green 75 S
    Driving Iron (20) - Srixon U65 Project X 5.5
    Irons (5-6) - Srixon Z565 Project X 5.5
    Irons (7-P) - Srixon Z765 Project X 5.5
    Wedges - Vokey SM-7 Jet Black / 50.08 F / 54.08 M / 58.08 M DG S300
    Putter - Gauge Design GAA-8
    Ball - Snell MTB-x
    Pure Midsized Grips
  • nitramnitram WestOK, on the South Canadian Riviera Members  5815WRX Points: 467Handicap: -.6Posts: 5,815 Titanium Tees
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    In a word, yes.

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  • juststevejuststeve Members  5267WRX Points: 595Posts: 5,267 Titanium Tees
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    The s-300s are good shafts, I play them myself. How do you hits yours. Do you feel the shaft is wrong for you? If so try a fitting and something else, but unless the s-300 are very wrong for you, I mean dreadfully wrong don't expect you scores to change much from changing shafts.

    Steve

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  • 2ndCut162ndCut16 Members  24WRX Points: 15Handicap: 8Posts: 24 Bunkers
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    @juststeve I honestly am not sure if they play well or wrong for me personally. I've never hit another iron shaft before. The 714 were the first and only iron set I've had since I've started playing. I've seen a handicap drop of 21 to 10 in the past year or so, but mostly due to practice in other areas, my irons have always been decent for me.

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  • GLF4EVRGLF4EVR Members  911WRX Points: 115Posts: 911 Golden Tee
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    Piece of mind may be worth it just so you do not have that little thought in the back of your mind about it. I have done my own tinkering for many years now. I have never had any lessons and all the club building I have done was thru this site. Had the chance to see a professional fitter last year. Spent over 2 hours going over every club in the bag & was charged only $65. Only recommendations was what kind of graphite shafts to put in my irons if I want to switch & to play with the bounce on my 58 wedge.

    To me, that was the most worthwhile $65 I have spent on golf in a long time. To find out I was correct in all my work & the way I had gone about it was just about priceless for me. It is kind of strange to not have that little voice in the back of my head anymore with any questions about my equipment & the fine tuning I have done. My only thing I would say is to make sure the fitter knows what they are doing.

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  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members  2404WRX Points: 591Posts: 2,404 Platinum Tees
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    2ndCut16,

    The DG S300 shafts are popular, and large number of golfers use them and do well with them. Further, if you are between 5-foot-9 and 6-foot-1, chances are you have a good fit with off the rack clubs, which are made for that height range.

    That said, are you getting what you need from your irons? Are you to the point where you are pursuing a very precise range dispersion, shot height and specific spin targets? Or, are you happy if you get a good number of greens-in-regulation each round?

    You might get a fitting just to put your mind at rest. But unless there's some shaft that gives you a big performance boost, as juststeve has said, you might want to stay with the S300. What the fitting would do is help you realize your shaft band. This is my personal term for a group of shafts with similar characteristics that seem to give you good numbers across multiple fittings / demo day tests.

    In the past, my shaft band for irons has been KBS Tour 90, NS Pro 8950 or 950, and Recoil 95. Finding your shaft band now could give you clues for three years down the road when you decide to retool.

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    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr.  | Note: MD4 58°/8.C-grind may replace MD/PM
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • WristySwingWristySwing Members  963WRX Points: 618Posts: 963 Golden Tee
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    With the rise of independent fitters, I don't think that is the case any more. Low profit margins on equipment comparatively from 10-15 years ago has certainly made it difficult to credit back value for a fitting. None of my local fitters do it, custom studio or big box. They all require that payment, whether you purchase or not. That 12% margin over the course of a year (assuming 25% margin on equipment and a retail price of $500 + $100 fit fee) can be the make or break for a lot of places that are smaller operation. Especially this year.

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  • deep18deep18 Members  2229WRX Points: 340Posts: 2,229 Platinum Tees
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    As long as you work with a good fitter, absolutely yes.

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  • Ri_RedneckRi_Redneck Leather for Life!! Members  5925WRX Points: 458Handicap: 8Posts: 5,925 Titanium Tees
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    Never worry about paying for something that is worth the price to YOU! If your goal is to be the best golfer you can be, then your priorities are far different from the average weekend golfer. Fitting is typically expensive, but the information you get can be well worth the cost. As ChipNRun mentioned. Most of us have a swing that probably won't change much over the next few years. Knowing what shaft characteristics fit you allows you to often times choose a set of ideal clubs right off the rack! Knowledge of your equipment will help you make the most of your equipment buying dollars and avoid falling prey to the marketing that is so prevalent today.

    BT

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    Bag 1

    Cobra King LTD Pro 9.5* HZRDUS Black 7 6.0 @ 44.5"
    King LTD 14.5 - Aldila RIP Beta 80 S @ 43"
    F6 5-7 @ 17.5 - Aldila RIP Beta 80 S @ 41.5"
    Mizuno MP5 4-PW - Aldila RIP Tour 115 R
    Mizuno MP-T5 52, 56 & 60 - TT Wedge
    Grips - Grip Master Master Perforated Midsize

    Bag 2
    F7 9.5* - Aldila Copperhead 70TX @ 44.5
    King LTD Blk 14.5* - Aldila RIP Beta 80 S @ 43
    King LTD Blk 19* - Aldila RIP Beta 80 S @ 41.5
    Mizuno MP15 4-pw - Aldila RIP Tour 115 R
    Mizuno MP-T5 Black 52, 56 & 60 - TT Wedge
    Grips - Grip Master Classic Wrap Midsize

    Bag 3
    Mizuno ST190 9.5* - Diamana "Flowerband" Whiteboard 73 S @ 44.5"
    Mizuno ST190 14.5* - Aldila RIP Phenom 80 S @ 43"
    Epic Flash Heavenwood 19* - Aldila RIP Phenom 80 S @ 42" 
    Mizuno MP25 4-pw - Recoil Proto 125 F4
    Mizuno MP-T5 Satin 52, 56, & 60 TT Wedge
    Grips - Grip Master Roo Midsize





  • 2ndCut162ndCut16 Members  24WRX Points: 15Handicap: 8Posts: 24 Bunkers
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    @ChipNRun I appreciate your insight. To answer your question, I guess I'm not sure if I'm getting everything I need from my irons, as I'm still pretty new to the sport( this is my 2nd serious season of golf). The only reason I really asked was a friend said swing speed plays a roll in which shaft you should play, and given he is still fairly new, I figured I should ask a group with a bit more knowledge. I'm 5'10 and have a SS with a 7 iron of 95mph ( on avg) if that helps.

    While I've been able to cut down my handicap and strokes and play well, I've never really thought about ball flight, spin or dispersion and if this is holding me back or not.

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  • TommyjTommyj Members  700WRX Points: 249Posts: 700 Golden Tee
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    What are you going to do if you go for a fitting and find out there's a shaft that's quite a bit better than the S300's currently in your T100's? Probably the shafts are fine, but if not are you going to reshaft? If the answer is no then I wouldn't even spend the money on a fitting. And if you do reshaft then you're going to lose a fairly large % of what you saved. Would have made more sense to do the fitting first and then look for a set that has your preferred shaft.

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  • thesamwisethesamwise A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man Members  611WRX Points: 180Posts: 611 Golden Tee
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    1 million percent worth it. The right shaft will complement your game and can accentuate your strengths and mask some of your flaws a little. I got the right shafts in my irons and I just can't believe how much they helps.

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  • 2ndCut162ndCut16 Members  24WRX Points: 15Handicap: 8Posts: 24 Bunkers
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    If I do decide to do the fitting and something else is better, I will re-shaft.

    The fitter I'm using gave me a quote, that as long as I'm not in an exotic iron shaft, it will likely be $200-250 to re-shaft ( a family friend) which will still have me around 25-30% off retail pricing or any other online store I could find.

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  • larryd3larryd3 Members  732WRX Points: 158Handicap: 9Posts: 732 Golden Tee
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    Absolutely do a shaft fitting, it's worth the money.

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  • driveandputtmachinedriveandputtmachine 4 wedges or 2 iron? That is the question! Members  1495WRX Points: 299Handicap: 0.0Posts: 1,495 Platinum Tees
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    Weight can be a big issue on iron shafts as far as helping you hit the center more often. There is a huge difference with just a few grams here or there. Shaft weight, I feel, is much more important that shaft flex as far as hitting the center of the face.

    Design of the shaft and flex have a big effect on dispersion and in some cases it can effect spin quite a bit as well too.

    Now this is based on my fittings and fittings that some of my friends and playing partners have gone through. It may not hold true for everyone, but it seems to hold true for a majority.

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    Driver - TM SIM on Chrome Elements
    Fairway - TM M5 on Project X HZRDOUS Yellow
    Irons - (4) Cobra Speed Zone on Project X Catalyst 100
    Irons - (5) Srixon 565 on Recoil 110
    Irons - (6) Srixon 565 on Recoil 110
    Irons (7-W) Srixon 765 on Recoil 110
    Wedges - Cleveland CB2 50* and 54*, Cleveland RTX 4 58* and 62* all on UST Recoil 110
    Putter - Mannkrafted MA/66 or Sunset Beach Ocean Isle on UST F FIlter or Taylormade Spider
    Ball - Srixon Z Star or Z Star XV
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  • RuleschampRuleschamp Members  749WRX Points: 99Posts: 749 Golden Tee
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    Not gonna make that much of a material difference in terms of performance but if you want them to feel the way you like the club to feel then go for the fitting and just enjoy the fun.

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  • akatoastakatoast Members  50WRX Points: 50Posts: 50 Bunkers
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    I was wondering if anyone has had their shafts Pured or spline aligned when fitting for iron shafts? I have recently watched some videos that showed how much of a difference that could make in your irons and woods.

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  • UkeGolferUkeGolfer Surrey,BCMembers, Paid BST  9WRX Points: 47Posts: 9 Bunkers
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    You bought a good set of irons, definitely get fit. My experience tells me to pick a fitter you’ll be comfortable with.

    Don’t be intimidated, a fitters job is to fit you. I’ve been fit many times over the years and like ChipnRun said once you find your “shaft band”

    you’ll pretty much be in that category for a long time. (Unless something drastic changes) Stop thinking about it....DOOO IT!!

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  • ChipNRunChipNRun Members  2404WRX Points: 591Posts: 2,404 Platinum Tees
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    @2ndCut16 notes:

    "I figured I should ask a group with a bit more knowledge. I'm 5'10 and have a SS with a 7 iron of 95 mph ( on avg) if that helps. While I've been able to cut down my handicap and strokes and play well, I've never really thought about ball flight, spin or dispersion and if this is holding me back or not."

    First of all, congratulations! Your 7i swing speed is higher than mine for a driver. It appears you are quite capable of handling the S300 shafts.

    Now, a free warning: Focus on the end result of your iron shots. Do you have a good number of greens in regulation? Do your iron shots hold the green, or do they run over the green, or back off the green because of excess backspin? If your GIR are good and the shots hold, that's what you really want. Avoid paralysis by analysis.

    IF you get an after-the-fact fitting, what general patterns do you see? Remember, lots of things influence how your iron shots - and other shots - fly through the air. Spin tweaks can be made by switching balls rather than getting a $500 reshaft.

    Sometimes, a change in your stance/set-up can improve the shots. Here, a $60 lesson could yield more benefit than a $500 reshaft.

    Closing: it's good to be aware of the details of your ball flight, but don't get so obsessed with the minutae that it messes up your game. Remember, golf is supposed to be fun... 😮

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    What's In The Bag *...

    Driver: Calla XR16 Pro 10.5° (set open) / Fuji Evolution II TS Speeder 665 R-flex 63 gr.
    FWs: Tour Edge XRail 4W + 7W / GraphiteDesign G60 R-flex 60 gr.
    or Calla Alpha 815, set 16° + 20° / Fuji Motore Speeder 665 R-flex 62 gr.
    Hybrid: Cobra FlyZ 3H 19° + 4H 22° / Matrix VLCT Altus Lite flex 73 gr.
    Irons: Tour Edge CB Pro Tungsten 4i - PW** / KBS Tour 90 R-flex 101 gr.
           4i refitted with SteelFiber 780 HLS Hybrid shaft R Flex 75 gr.
    Wedge: Calla MD3 48°/8.SS + 54°/12.WS + MD.PM 60°/10  | KBS Tour R-flex 110 gr.  | Note: MD4 58°/8.C-grind may replace MD/PM
    Putter: Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) / 34" w. Ping Pistol PP60 grip (stock)
    Bag: Sun Mountain Three 5 stand bag
    Ball: Calla SuperHot - orange
    * Either 7W or 3H left out, depending on course and season.
    ** Wedges: 46°and 48°are competing for bag space.
  • Multipass613Multipass613 Members  14WRX Points: 28Handicap: 10Posts: 14 Bunkers
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    If you like the weight of your Dynamic Gold S300 shafts (are they standard or lighter weight versions?) You might want to check out a Youtube video by TXG where they compare multiple tour weight shafts.

    Basically between all the tour weight competitors with their supposed ball flight differences, they were all virtually identical in performance. +/- 1 yard in peak height and carry distance if I recall correctly.

    If you want to change to graphite or go with something lighter I'm sure a shaft fit will be beneficial.

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  • scratch67scratch67 Members  182WRX Points: 99Handicap: 4Posts: 182 Fairways
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    Absolutely, shaft most important component of the club.

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    Titleist TS2’s, driver, 1H and 3H, Aldila shafts

    Mizuno MP-64 irons, KBS shafts

    Vokey SM7 wedges, 50, 54 & 58

    Scotty Special Select Newport 2, KBS CT TOUR shaft

  • shoot4parshoot4par Life's A Course 412ClubWRX  377WRX Points: 130Handicap: 7Posts: 377 ClubWRX
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    Shaft is to golf club as engine is to car but its your call.

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    If you were wondering the secrets in the dirt.

    WITB
    Driver: Callaway XR Pro 9* (N/S) Oban Kiyoshi Black 65g 04 (Iomic White .60)
    Callaway Epic Subzero 9* (N/S) (TC) Kiyoshi White 65g 04 Kiyoshi White  (Iomic White .60)
    Fairway Wood: Tour Edge Exotics CB Pro Limited 16.5* Kiyoshi White 75g 04 (Iomic White .60)
    Hybrid: CB Pro U 19* Kuro Kage 90s. (Iomic White .60)
    Irons: Miura 1957 Baby Blades 4-PW KBS TOUR 120s Black standard loft / standard lie (Iomic White .60)
    Wedges: Vokey Wedgeworks 52*, 56*, 60* KBS Matte Black 120s (Iomic White .60)
    Putter: Odyssey Metal X Milled #9

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  • GSDriverGSDriver Members  1019WRX Points: 239Handicap: 4Posts: 1,019 Platinum Tees
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    You could start with Mizzy Shaft Optimizer....I found fitting completely worth the $

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    Rogue 4 Wood Evenflow 75 Blue
    Epic Hybrids 3/4/5
    Apex Pro 6-P Recoil 110 F4
    MD Slate Forged 52
    PM Grind 2.0 Slate 58/64
    Odyssey EXO Stroke Lab 7 Mini
    All grips except putter are Iomic Sticky 2.3
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    That’s interesting... I’ll have to check it out...

    @2ndCut16 if it’s a family friend, take the clubs, get on a launch monitor and see what they say... buy them lunch or pay them for the time if they tell you you are good.

    i have a similar swing speed and managed to play regular shafts for half my life... I got fit for s300s as x100s were increasing my spin... currently gaming project x 6.0s as I got them cheap... have a five iron with an s400 on its way... basically, I’m an idiot.

    getting fit gives you information, but won’t fix your swing. I think weight is more important than anything else, or at least it is for me.

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    9.5 Cobra LTD Pro with Aldila Silver 110 X
    13 Degree Adams Speedline with Aldila Alpha X
    18 Degree Adams A12 with Proforce X
    6-PW Adams CMB with Project X 6.0
    5 iron Sub70 639 CB with S400
    4 iron / utility Sub 70 699 with Proforce 85 gram X
    50, 54, 60 Vokeys
    Tank Counter Balance #7
    Driver and Putter are set for now. Wedges are safe for time being.

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    Actually no - your muscles are the engine, the shaft is the transmission in your car analogy .

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  • shoot4parshoot4par Life's A Course 412ClubWRX  377WRX Points: 130Handicap: 7Posts: 377 ClubWRX
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    True in some ways, I'd go shaft is to engine and club head is to transmission or wheels. Its all the way you look at it. Muscles aren't a part of a golf club where as an engine is a part of a car. Semantics.

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    Jones did it with corn whiskey. Hogan with cigarettes & Tiger with will.
    If you were wondering the secrets in the dirt.

    WITB
    Driver: Callaway XR Pro 9* (N/S) Oban Kiyoshi Black 65g 04 (Iomic White .60)
    Callaway Epic Subzero 9* (N/S) (TC) Kiyoshi White 65g 04 Kiyoshi White  (Iomic White .60)
    Fairway Wood: Tour Edge Exotics CB Pro Limited 16.5* Kiyoshi White 75g 04 (Iomic White .60)
    Hybrid: CB Pro U 19* Kuro Kage 90s. (Iomic White .60)
    Irons: Miura 1957 Baby Blades 4-PW KBS TOUR 120s Black standard loft / standard lie (Iomic White .60)
    Wedges: Vokey Wedgeworks 52*, 56*, 60* KBS Matte Black 120s (Iomic White .60)
    Putter: Odyssey Metal X Milled #9

    WITB
  • juicegoosejuicegoose Members  5WRX Points: 5Posts: 5 Bunkers
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    Yup worth it. I just went to club champion had my 3 woid fitted and added accuracy, 20 yards of carry and dropped my spin by 1000 just with the right shaft

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  • Russ757Russ757 Chesapeake, VAMembers  7885WRX Points: 259Posts: 7,885 Titanium Tees
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    I wanted a kegerator for fathers day. But after covid has put some lbs back on, and the extra work involved, I've decided on a new father's day gift and pretty sure I'm going to get a fitting.


    Recently a new club champion opened up and online reviews are great. I used to tinker alot more but as I aged and the Navy got in my way, I've slowed down. Way down. I have 2 bags pretty similarly setup but that's all built off trial and error. It would be nice to spend time with a legit fitter and more importantly trackman, and see what type of shaft does what.

    Plus... I cannot hit my driver. So if they can help that, it'll be worth it for me.

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    Driver: Ping G400 Max 10* Ad Di 6

    FW: Ping G400 16.5* Ad Di 7

    Hybrid: Ping G400 19* Tour Ad 85

    DI: Srixon U65 22* Nippon 1050

    Irons: Srixon 565/765 4-9 Nippon 1050

    Wedges: Cleveland RTX 4 48*, 52*, 56*, 60* Nippon 1150

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    This can open up quite the can of worms. While not apples to apples (I would need the same heads and a lot of launch monitor data) I have a set of purred shafted Accras I bought used. I put the same shafts into my other set of irons a month ago with no purring of course: it was my garage shop :)


    I am not discounting the purring may prove that that set is a smidge more consistent given a lot of data, but I am not that consistent and hit both sets strait and not so strait at times :)


    A common theme from expert fitters who chime in the Tech forum is getting the right overall shaft weight for the golfer so their timing and sequencing is optimal for them. From there, stiffness etc...is fine tuning. Get the weight right first, tune the bend profile. Builders will have their preferences on alignment, and purring is an add on some do, some don't.

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