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Pro Golf’s Top-5 Greatest Over Achievers....

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As a flip to WRX’s Gianni Magliocco’s nice article yesterday in his Top-5 underachieving Tour Boys, who would be your Top-5 All-Time OVERACHIEVING Tour Players?


http://www.golfwrx.com/612350/golfs-5-biggest-underachievers/


I get that to the Guys Gianni’s age there wasn’t a Tour Pre-Tiger, that it was just a bunch of yahoos chasin balls up ‘n down fairways, swingin with primitive woods that were actually woods and butter knives for blades and Playin for 🥜, however how someone can make a list of Golf’s Greatest Underachievers and leave Tom “The Towering Inferno” Weiskopf off of it, and ya, I get that he won a Major(1973 Open Championship) and a Senior Major(1995 US Senior Open), though for as much suffering as Norman endured traipsing across Augusta’s majestic fairways, ole Tommy Boy suffered more and almost had a friggin aneurism a few times and suffered one more runner-up(4) than ole Gregory(3).


However, it’s not like Weiskopf, who Jack has said many times that if he had had Weiskopf’s swing that AT LEAST 10 of his major Runner-Ups would have been Victories and the two times that I heard him say it, once, in a presser at Oakmont and once at a table over lunch, he was as serious as a heart attack, never took Jack down head to head.


Weiskopf won the Canadian Open in 1973 and 1975, the latter win achieved in dramatic fashion with a one-hole playoff win over Jack, when Weiskopf nearly holed his approach on the 15th hole at the Royal Montreal Club’s Blue Course.


So, who would you say is your All-Time Top-5 Over-Achiervers?


And for those of you for whom Pre-Tiger Tour Golf is more than a rumor, please include your own list of Your Top-5 All-Top Under Achievers which can include from whenever to present day😉


Stay Well My Friends & Have a Great Weekend🍻

RP

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  • tideridertiderider Members  3089WRX Points: 2,117Handicap: 5ishPosts: 3,089 Titanium Tees
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    Calvin Peete

    Lee Trevino

    Ben Hogan

    cant think of two others worthy of the label

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  • cdnglfcdnglf Members  3725WRX Points: 1,148Posts: 3,725 Titanium Tees
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    Vijay

    Angel Cabrera

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  • ShilgyShilgy PhoenixMembers  12616WRX Points: 1,619Handicap: 3.8Posts: 12,616 Titanium Tees
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    Not arguing your list...just the parameters you noted. Guys that grew up poor may make your list but here on wrx it’s the short knockers. It seems every underachievers list is full of great ball strikers that lacked a great putter. So it’s always guys like Sergio that get knocked. The guys that achieved their scores more with putters and wedges are the overachiever type. Zach Johnson or Jim Furyk come to mind in that group.

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  • Darth PutterDarth Putter Members  6129WRX Points: 2,998Handicap: 10.8Posts: 6,129 Titanium Tees
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    swing is irrelevant, score is everything

    just say NO.... to practice swings
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  • ShilgyShilgy PhoenixMembers  12616WRX Points: 1,619Handicap: 3.8Posts: 12,616 Titanium Tees
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    See Darth! That’s what I was talking about. :) Pavin was top of the world class short game and putter with quality, albeit short, ball striking. And yet he is characterized as a gritty overachiever while a Sergio, who owns the other half of the game, is an underachiever.

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  • LokiLoki Members  1294WRX Points: 228Posts: 1,294 Platinum Tees
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    Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods are the greatest over-achievers. You don't get to where they got without out working every one.

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    swing is irrelevant, score is everything

    just say NO.... to practice swings
  • oldpalchampoldpalchamp Members  1251WRX Points: 183Posts: 1,251 Platinum Tees
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    I look at this as the players who made the most out of limited natural physical abilities. Corey Pavin definitely comes to mind. Also these players:

    Paul Azinger

    Zach Johnson

    Mike Weir

    Kevin Na

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    To me it’s a guy grinding out wins with genetic disadvantages and not the prettiest swing ... like a Pavin.

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    Payne Stewart

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    Lee Janzen

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    Gary Player. He outworked everybody while traveling the world to do it. Hard to believe he won 9 majors, but when he got near the lead on a Sunday he was like a dog without a bone. He wasn't intimidated by Nicklaus. Hogan overcame major swing flaws and just worked at it until he had the best swing on tour. And one of my favorites.... Padraig Harrington. He was a guy with a lot of guts and determination. Vijay is another guy that came from nothing and just worked harder than everybody else.

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    Fred Couples.

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  • rangersgoalierangersgoalie Members  1946WRX Points: 443Posts: 1,946 Platinum Tees
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    this always sounds like a slight to perceived talent levels but guys who worked to max out what they had

    Vijay

    pernice

    kite


    as mentioned Tiger and Hogan clearly maxed out with focused work ethic

    years ago, Butch said Norman was the hardest worker he had ever seen until Tiger

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  • Hawkeye77Hawkeye77 IowaClubWRX  21640WRX Points: 5,633Posts: 21,640 ClubWRX
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    Yep, the youth of today sometimes don't have the same historical perspective, although golf history is there for all to appreciate.

    My problem is I believe you get what you get, so I have a hard time arguing for or against, or coming up with criteria for under and overachievers. X100 on Weiskopf being the all-time underachiever in golf - he would probably admit his own demons got in his way.

    But, from an "old" guy and make of it what you will:

    1. Larry Nelson - who would have thought.
    2. Tom Kite - look at the guy, how did he win anything? But look at the guy, what a great golf swing, how didn't he win more? See what I mean, lol - which way do you go with some of these guys?
    3. Andy North - based on his record outside the U.S. Open everybody claims his wins were flukes. Well, they weren't, but I guess you could call him an overachiever. Or like Kite, why the heck didn't he win more, lol?
    4. Calvin Peete - maybe got more out of the physical hand that was dealt him than any other pro?
    5. Jack Fleck - Zach Johnson is a stone cold killer out there with a lot of talent so IMO not Iowa's best example of an overachiever, but Fleck? His star was the brightest when he took down Hogan as few ever did. I guess based on everything else he ever did that was his rising above his own level kind of moment?

    Could go round and round in circles on this, maybe I just did, haha.

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    By the definition in your 1st sentence, Snead would be an overachiever.

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    Hale Irwin, yes?

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    Hey Brother, I hope all’s well👊


    Bob Ford said the same thing!!


    He actually said Norman & Vijay.


    That flip side of that story that I told about Vijay spending 40-50 minutes with a member’s 12yo son who was down the line with Vijay when he was in town for a big 36 hole Charity event and Vijay had been in one of the morning groups, grabbed a Coke, changed shirts and spent the next almost 4 hours down on the line working on his swing AFTER spending five hours + on the course. The only break that he took, and the ball attendant down on the line said that he was gone less than 10 minutes, was to get a coke and again change his shirt, as it was a hot humid Summer day.


    Aside from the average WRXer(or any golf fan) not realizing just how insanely talented a Tour Pro like YOURSELF is, they have no concept of just how talented that top echelon of Players like Vijay are, AND how hard the average Tour Pro, and I’m not even speaking to the Vijays, Tigers, Normans, Hogans, etc., works.


    Also mentioned above, and this used to irk Pete as while he was Sam’s harshest critic, he stated emphatically that outside of Hogan, no one wiorked as hard as Sam did or hit as many balls as Sam back in the day, and he felt that Sam’s rep for having the most “God given beautiful swing on earth” combined with some of Hogan’s *sshole comments about Sam basically just showing up, grabbin his sticks and swinging away, not knowing or working on his swing, took away from just how hard he worked, and trust me here, Sam forgot MORE about the golf swing than the average TOUR PRO ever knew!!


    Sam responded to a reporter once who asked him how it felt to have “the most god given swing on Tour,” and Sam chirped that the only thing that God had given him was a “mama and daddy” who instilled in him the will/drive to outwork everyone else. I saw Sam hit for hours on end at Pete’s range or the club, and I’m talkin 3-4 hour stretches and this was either before or after a round of golf and this was when the man was in his late 60’s-70’s, pre-stroke.


    Thanks for droppin in Bro👊


    My Best,

    Richard

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    Padraig Harrington.

    He said he would have settled for a journeyman career.

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    Great information Richard! I do have one question... Is it true that Ben Hogan thought Sam's course management skills weren't as good as it could be? I have read that.

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    Paul Runyan. Nickname “Little Poison”, he makes Corey Pavin look like Bubba Watson.

    5’ 7”, he weighed 130 pounds. Couldn’t hit his driver out of his shadow but poisoned his competitors with his deadly short game. 2 PGA Championships and in the HOF.

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