I loved the article. I still use TTDG-S300s in my 3- and 5-woods, so I can totally relate.
They did it for 43.5 and 45", but if they used the same shaft, they couldn't have tipped to length like Jimmy did. The shorter length led to greater ball speed, but the smash factor was still very low (<1.4).
i watched the video dont think the shafts were tipped (3 wood 1inch only)
Jimmy would be nearer 2 inch tipping i think at 44 and 3 for the 3 wood
Ps I am big fan of txg videos and Ian /Matt
"Compared to steel shafts, which were the driver shaft of choice for most pros until around the early 2000s..."
That really surprised me. I remember even as a junior back in the late Eighties/early Nineties, most kids at my club and the ones we played matches against were using graphite shafts in our drivers, and quite a few had graphite shafts in their fairway woods as well. I got my first graphite shafted club around 1990; a TM Tour Burner driver (which I still have). Bearing in mind that a fair number of the pros playing in the early 2000s would have grown up in same timeframe, I'd have thought graphite shafts would have become the norm before that.
Interesting to compare how steel overtook hickory within a decade, but graphite is still more uncommon than steel in irons and wedges
He is not the name that Jimmy Walker is but I see that Robert Rock has gone to steel in his woods as well. I can’t see it be a long lasting or wide spreading trend but it’s definitely nice to hark back to some days gone by.
I can remember good players rocking up with steel shafts in their drivers up and until the Titleist 975J but after that, it was graphite all the way. I am sure that Tiger was a big part of it. In fact, it seemed like if you did every see someone with a steel shafted driver in the late 90’s or early 00’s it was always with a Titleist driver as well even when it came to the Tour Pro’s. I can recall Adam Scott and Paul Casey who were both considered bombers having steel in their drivers which were Titleist as well.
A tour player is good enough to hit anything. It’s why his numbers will be fine with it. But it’s also why this is a bad sign. He has access to any $500 graphite shaft he wants and can’t find one he likes. It means he’s hitting it badly. It reeks of desperation. Like having kids to save a marriage.
Blueboard 103x, you’re welcome
The problem for me is that you can't get them anymore. I've got one left in my inventory, and it's about 12 years old.
haha yeah he's around. At one point he had the fastest street bike in the country. All kinds of proto parts ect... it was INSANE and had to be dismantled because you couldn't ride it.
Really curious of what weighting they had to do for the head to get it to the D4 or whatever spec he uses.
Rock has not been relevant since the 2012 match play.
He had a putt for a 59 in the Irish Open last year. Plus he has one of the best swings in golf.
Sure, great player, but didn't even win the Irish open..
Is it just me or is his swing a little different than it was a few years ago?
Im sorry but the TXG test was laughable. They acted like it was a sledge hammer and you needed to be a monster to play it. Ummm didnt everyone use steel pre 95??? The seemed to hit it just fine, as a matter if fact since the inception of graphite, fairway percentage took a massive dip on the pga tour. Of course its going to be slower and shorter, but thats the point.
He probably has gotten away from stack and tilt due to back issues.
When you have played graphite your entire life in woods as Matt probably has. Picking up a steel shafted driver that is likely in the 100 gram range is going to feel very very heavy. If given time, he would adjust as we all would. But initially it is going to feel very heavy.
That was my takeaway as well. It was not a direct swap for his swing and it seemed they didn't try to fit the head to the shaft, just swap them out. I'd think if they started from scratch they could have put together a good combo for Matt using steel.
I have an old driver TT steel shaft (not sure if it is an X or an S), that I stuck in a SLDR 12 degree near the end of last year. Used it on the range early into the start of this season. Have found it really helps with getting back the feeling of where my hands are in the downswing. Once that is obtained, kind of fun to try and unload on it. Can say I will consistently hit a straight ball with the thing. Not sure, but think the length is 43". So just from my POV, accuracy is the one thing I notice with it. After this weekend.......might actually try it on the course just for the fun of it.
And we use that as a notion it applies to everyone? Matt has a very deliberate swing and probably has played graphite all his life so it's obvious weight could be a big impact to his timing.
Those who grew up with DG in their woods and used the timing of the weight would know that feeling that Jimmy describes. It's like dropping a hammer on the end of a string into the ball.
Hmmm... I wonder who it could be... There have been a few posts recently where I thought. " I know this guy"...
only thing I know of that would come close to a tipped X100 Weight and stiffness would be an mmt 125 hardstepped.
I would say the only thing for sure close would be Brysons new 120 gram graphite shafts, I’d love to try those in a hybrid/3 wood
Really, just that.
From experience, a shaft that's heavier and a little softer helps me from getting too quick with the driver. You really get a good feel for the club falling into the slot. Lighter and stiffer and I really feel like the club is all over the place.
Definitely not laughable because guys weren't playing 130g steel @45". He had no problem swinging the steel at the more traditional length (for the time). A club that swing weights in the "E" range with a shaft that heavy is, by all measure, a sledgehammer.
As far as people asking/speculating about Jimmy Walker's reasoning, he talks about it in this podcast:
I ... HAD a Driver that weighed in at D8.5 with graphite .... YES! That was a freaking sledgehammer.
I ... CURRENTLY swing my Super Hybrid 17° at D8.2. Will be taking some length off the butt. Sits at 42 1/2", going to go shorter a 1/4" at a time until it's right. (Edit, here, side note, shaft here is 104g shaft)
Love to max out the weight, but eventually, you can cross the line of too heavy becoming counterproductive.
perhaps so, but he was also just trying crush everything which kind of defeats the point. Not to mention that even with a 130 gram shaft, the total weight if that build is what, 370-390 grams? A full 75 grams lighter than a 9 iron?
Someone send me a .335 x7 for my mizuno ladies 7w head plz thank you
I'm pretty Matt was just trying to maintain his speed to a certain extent to show how difficult actually doing that is/was.
And yeah, total static weight is one thing, but obviously total MOI and how length factors in is the important part. If you were to use that logic, a 380g 9-iron @36" would feel that same as a 380g 9-iron @39", which obviously is not the case.
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