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I live in an area where there are no good club fitting options nearby. I'm late 30's in age, a 4 handicap, pretty consistent all around game. I hit a 6 iron about 180. Driver about 280. I am looking to dial in my iron shafts but have struggled getting them "just right." I have played various Mizuno MP cavity back irons over the years. I grew up playing S300 shafts in the 1990s, then tried KBS Tour (stiff flex) in my MP 53 irons few years ago. I'm more of a smooth swinger and really liked the trajectory of the long irons, but I could never get used to how "active" they felt, especially on punch shots into the wind.

I went back to Sensicore S300s for some time, then, still wanting more trajectory in my long irons, I tried out modus 120s (stiff shafts) for a year or so and hit them pretty well. I like how they feel when swinging, but they just don't feel sweet at impact. I got a hankering for that old Dynamic Gold feel at impact and tried out the AMT S300s, and hit the 7-PW well but can hardly get the 4&5 irons in the air. They feel super boardy and stiff and I just can't get confident hitting them. Obviously a totally different profile than the modus 120s. For some reason I feel like the AMTs feel stiffer than normal S300s in the long irons. Any suggestions what I should try out? Thanks for your suggestions.

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TaylorMade SLDR 10° Diamana Kai'li 70
Adams Super DHY 21° Matrix White Tie
Mizuno MP-18 MMC
Titleist Vokey SM7 48°/52°/58°

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  • nsxguynsxguy Just anudder user FloridaMembers  7172WRX Points: 1,388Handicap: 3.9-9.3-7.7 (Health issue)Posts: 7,172 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  edited Jun 30, 2020 5:25pm #2

    As I'm sure you know, shafts are really hard to recommend. You've really got to try 'em.

    FWIW, I only hit my 6 iron about 160 and use DG S300.

    I can't imagine, with your swing speed, you have that much trouble with your 4 & 5 irons.

    There's a reason why DGs have stood the test of time.

    Good luck in your search.

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  • MelloYelloMelloYello Upstate, SCMembers  3860WRX Points: 1,054Handicap: 3.9Posts: 3,860 Titanium Tees
    Joined:  edited Jun 30, 2020 6:08pm #3

    Sorry to say but if you can't get along with the AMT, which is a pretty friendly shaft, then I think it's a problem you might want to address via your mechanics which will obviously have a much more profound effect on ball-flight then any single piece of equipment.

    I know all about the heft of DGs but when I transitioned to the S300 AMT version I saw a noticeable improvement in the long-iron ball-flight. So they definitely work for getting the ball up higher. I guess I can wrap my head around the 130g version feeling a little more slithery though. Sometimes weight will do that. It's not uncommon to feel the bending a little more clearly in a heavy shaft but that heaviness will ensure a low ball-flight even when you might feel more bending.

    But rest assured the AMT definitely launches higher so if you're not seeing it in the actual ball-flight, that's a problem and you might have a more serious swing issue to work on (considering you don't suffer for power). Then again, IDK, how solidly are you actually striking those longer irons? Are you looking at healthy strikes or some sort of weak fade?

    There might still be some shaft alternatives but you've already tried a couple obvious options. KBS does feel active and they do launch high. You're right about that. There's still Project X. I think you'd like those. But Project X is still in the 120g neighborhood and weight is going to drive ball-flight so the AMT shouldn't be harder to launch when they're in fact lighter in the long irons (~110g). One good option might be the Project X PXi versions which are ~110g.

    If you want to find a shaft alternative to address it you need to look at something lightweight. What makes a DG or a KBS C-Taper so hard to launch is that they weigh so much. Maybe consider dipping down to a 90g or 100g shaft if you really want to see a spike in ball-flight. You might go with the X-flex version so you can maintain the perception of stiffness.

    Remember, flex is all about perception. Weight drives the actual ball-flight.

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    Driver: M3 w. Tensei CK Pro Org.
    Fairway: M6 (3w)
    Dr-Iron: 718 T-MB (2)
    Irons: 716 CB (3-Pw)
    Wedges: SM6 52-F / 56-F / 60-S
    Putter: Newport 2 Select
  • jtravisdavidjtravisdavid Members  11WRX Points: 43Handicap: 4Posts: 11 Bunkers
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    I wouldn't say they are consistently solid strikes. I'd say the long irons are more of a "weak fade." I mean, at the end of the day obviously its some sort of swing issue but I honestly feel like my mechanics are better than most...I have provided a link below to my swing if you want to take a look...To me it kind of feels like the AMT version of DG requires a different swing on the long irons in order to "activate" the flex.

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/BmizVbAAfdXrq8f67

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    TaylorMade SLDR 10° Diamana Kai'li 70
    Adams Super DHY 21° Matrix White Tie
    Mizuno MP-18 MMC
    Titleist Vokey SM7 48°/52°/58°

  • BogeyParBogeyBogeyParBogey Trying to get better... northern ILMembers  275WRX Points: 114Handicap: not keptPosts: 275 Greens
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    Maybe you aren't getting along with the reduced weight of the AMT long irons? 3 grams per club weight reduction results in 4 and 5 irons that are a lot lighter than the short irons.

    Dave

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  • DrivingrangeheroDrivingrangehero Members  193WRX Points: 103Posts: 193 Fairways
    Joined:  edited Jun 30, 2020 7:57pm #6

    I played DG x100’s for years, tried and hated the AMT long irons. I liked the Modus 120x and found my home into TRUE TEMPER XP115’s . They feel great and perform well. They are higher launching than DG S300’s but not PXI high either, more of a mid flight, much like the Modus for me.

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  • chipachipa Florida/Caribbean Members  315WRX Points: 81Handicap: Dec. '20Posts: 315 Greens
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    IMO a 4 hc shouldn't fix what isn't broken. I would look at other cavity back clubs and possibly a lighter shaft like the DG115 and failing that look at hybrids which all things being equal will hit the ball much higher. A recent tour winner has 5 and 4 hybrids. I fight a hook and never thought about trying one until I saw a 15 degree(16 really) one that looked like a PT-15 with the face slightly open. I hit it father than my 2 iron and a lot higher than I ever hit it with the same shaft, an X100. In fact I hit it higher than I hit my 5 iron, unbelievable! It didn't go left either. I attribute that to the face being square or open. BTW, I just changed my old blade CB's for a newer similar version but with more weight on the bottom because I like you want to hit it higher.

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  • jtravisdavidjtravisdavid Members  11WRX Points: 43Handicap: 4Posts: 11 Bunkers
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    TaylorMade SLDR 10° Diamana Kai'li 70
    Adams Super DHY 21° Matrix White Tie
    Mizuno MP-18 MMC
    Titleist Vokey SM7 48°/52°/58°

  • TherealpatgilesTherealpatgiles Members  806WRX Points: 306Handicap: 11Posts: 806 Golden Tee
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    I'm similar to you in age and distances, I love the modus 120x. That little bit of extra weight really helps me in the long irons.

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    Callaway epic flash 3w tensei pro white 7x
    Taylormade Sim hybrid 3. Tensei pro white 90tx 
    Mizuno mp18 mmc 4-pw modus 120s
    Artisan 48° 53.5° 59° modus 120s
    Epon i33 rose gold putter
  • jtravisdavidjtravisdavid Members  11WRX Points: 43Handicap: 4Posts: 11 Bunkers
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    You're right. I really think the reduced weight makes them play stiffer, or at least feel stiffer, than I am comfortable with.

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    TaylorMade SLDR 10° Diamana Kai'li 70
    Adams Super DHY 21° Matrix White Tie
    Mizuno MP-18 MMC
    Titleist Vokey SM7 48°/52°/58°

  • FreshDKFreshDK Members  10WRX Points: 27Handicap: 15Posts: 10 Bunkers
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    I would like to throw in a suggestion for $ Taper 120 just to confuse you even more. They launch lower than KBS tour and I think they felt effortless to swing with my swing similar to you in transition and speed.

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  • jtravisdavidjtravisdavid Members  11WRX Points: 43Handicap: 4Posts: 11 Bunkers
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    Thanks for the suggestion. I haven't gotten a chance to hit those, but they do look interesting...

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    TaylorMade SLDR 10° Diamana Kai'li 70
    Adams Super DHY 21° Matrix White Tie
    Mizuno MP-18 MMC
    Titleist Vokey SM7 48°/52°/58°

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  • Philflop1Philflop1 Members  59WRX Points: 25Posts: 59 Bunkers
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    I would also check out the $ taper. Really stable shaft.

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  • jtravisdavidjtravisdavid Members  11WRX Points: 43Handicap: 4Posts: 11 Bunkers
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    Just wanted to follow up here. Thanks for the $ Taper 120 suggestion. Just shot my personal best score - 69 - with them on only my second round out with them. Feel at impact is excellent and the club releases well for my swing. Long irons launch perfectly and are flying 5-10 yards further. My only nitpick is the PW has a slight tendency to launch high and right for me, but I am still getting used to them. Probably just a little timing issue.

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    TaylorMade SLDR 10° Diamana Kai'li 70
    Adams Super DHY 21° Matrix White Tie
    Mizuno MP-18 MMC
    Titleist Vokey SM7 48°/52°/58°

  • BCULAWBCULAW Orlando, FLMembers  3867WRX Points: 373Posts: 3,867 Titanium Tees
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    Off the wall suggestion, but, if you like the feel of the dynamic gold shafts, try some r300s.

    I am a decent player with several sub par rounds under my belt. I'm not what I would consider a high swing speed player, but driver can get up near 115 and 6 irons in the low to mid 90s. Mizuno Shaft Optimizer consistently spits out KBS Tour 130x, DGX100, and PX 6.5 as my "top" options.

    I switched to KBS Tour 130x several years ago after playing s300 for years and had awesome results. Significant increase in distance, better consistency. I was an "extra stiff flex" guy and played pretty well with them!

    Almost by accident, however, I picked up a driver with a regular flex shaft a few years back. Hammered it. Tried some regular flex iron shafts, too. Shot my lowest round of the year. Ever since, I've always tinkered going back and forth between X and R.

    Well, this summer, I've been playing good golf (for me). Driving is good, irons and wedges great, even putter is solid at the moment, but I picked up a nagging case of golfers elbow a couple of weeks back that I attribute to the iron shafts. It's been bad.

    To "rest" my arm, I threw a set of dgr400 shafts in the irons. If I was playing good (for me) golf before, I am now playing GREAT golf with these irons. Feels like a never miss the center of the face, distance and distance control is better than ever, the variety of shots I can play has increased. And, I am scoring!

    Point is, if the shafts you "should" be using aren't getting it done for you, think outside the box and try some shafts that might not appear to fit on paper. I have never had a fitter recommend a regular flex. Heck, I went to a highly coveted fitting complex at one point and was put in x-stiff across the bag. But, for me, tour weight regular flex seems to help me play my best.

    Try it. You might find gold!

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  • VA_AstraVA_Astra Austin TXClubWRX  1884WRX Points: 119Posts: 1,884 Platinum Tees
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    I went from a px 5.5 to a 6.0 and then tried to find a new set and couldnt find one. I ended up getting a set of Flighted...and have been stuck on them since!

    It has brought control to my shorter irons and my 4 and 5 iron height is amazing. I SSX1 so I can carry the 3-P set 4-GW.


    I keep trying to find replacements, including a could weeks ago with some 120x Modus 3...after 1 round pulled out for a set of PX Flighted.

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    PXG 0317x Gen 2 17  HZRDUS Smoke Black
    Mavrik Pro 4-PW PX 6.0
    MD5 Jaws 50/54/58 Nippon 125 Wedge
    Mannkrafted WAVE
    Snell MTB X / Bridgestone Tour B X


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