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Ethics question re counterfeit clubs.

 dokex ·  
dokexdokex Members  322WRX Points: 114Posts: 322 Greens
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Let's say that you somehow bought a set of fake clubs. What do you do with them?

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  • happygolferhappygolfer Golfer Members  552WRX Points: 93Handicap: 13.4Posts: 552 Golden Tee
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    Sinply put, If he has ethics, he keeps the clubs. If he doesn't, he tries to sell them without disclosure.

    I've seen auctions on ebay where they clearly state they are fake. I would call that having ethics.

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  • SubaruWRXSubaruWRX Members  4150WRX Points: 901Posts: 4,150 Titanium Tees
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    Hypothetical question? Waste of time.

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  • SubaruWRXSubaruWRX Members  4150WRX Points: 901Posts: 4,150 Titanium Tees
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    It didn’t happen. smh

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  • dokexdokex Members  322WRX Points: 114Posts: 322 Greens
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    Let me clarify. You are stuck with the clubs, and can't return them.

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  • SubaruWRXSubaruWRX Members  4150WRX Points: 901Posts: 4,150 Titanium Tees
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    Let me clarify, this didn’t happen. 🤦🏻‍♂️

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  • dmecca2dmecca2 Scranton, PAMembers  384WRX Points: 338Handicap: +3Posts: 384 Greens
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    I have a putter I got when I was in high school from my dad. It was my first scotty cameron and a gift from my dad. I used it throughout high school and some of college, and after giving it to my brother, I recently got it back an I can see now that it's a fake. Unfortunately I'm stuck with it and I definitely can't sell it. It will sit in my basement and maybe if I have a kid I will cut it down for him to use.

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  • brkuckbrkuck Members  1798WRX Points: 209Posts: 1,798 Platinum Tees
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    Re-selling it for money = zero ethics. Some will say "well, the buyer should be more informed", which is BS.


    Otherwise, you are forced to play with them or give them away for nothing. Just dont make the same mistake twice.

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  • jschwarbjschwarb Members  885WRX Points: 183Posts: 885 BST Banned
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    Just to play devil's advocate, why not? If you say it's FAKE in the title and the description and list at a silly low price that removes any doubt as to what it is -- what's the harm? Maybe someone takes it as a project set to cut up or whatever. I'm not saying I would do it, I've been a seller on ebay and elsewhere for years with perfect feedback and don't want the hassle, but I wouldn't be offended if someone else did as long as it was labeled clearly.

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  • straightshot7straightshot7 Members  3699WRX Points: 1,227Posts: 3,699 Titanium Tees
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    Well as usual no one cares about the actual manufacturer in these conversations. Blatant trademark/patent infringement and counterfeiting is a serious problem that costs our economy billions. It probably costs America jobs as well.

    There's one reason for you. I respect that the manufacturer had to spend a lot of money and time to legally establish a brand identity. And I don't support anyone who wants to blatantly rip off someone else's IP and try to profit from it.

    "Counterfeit goods cost the U.S. economy an estimated $600 billion a year, or 3 percent of the U.S. gross domestic product, according to Steve Shapiro, the unit chief for the FBI’s intellectual property rights unit."

    https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/13/heres-how-the-trade-war-could-lead-to-a-boom-in-counterfeit-goods.html

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  • SubaruWRXSubaruWRX Members  4150WRX Points: 901Posts: 4,150 Titanium Tees
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    This is a counterfeit post...

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  • dokexdokex Members  322WRX Points: 114Posts: 322 Greens
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    Good point. In my mind, it would be no different than knowingly passing fake currency.

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  • BYKBYK Cardinals NationMembers  2317WRX Points: 398Posts: 2,317 Platinum Tees
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    That's great until the guy that buys the fakes then sells them as real

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  • TheMagicStingerTheMagicStinger Members  950WRX Points: 203Handicap: 7.6Posts: 950 Golden Tee
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    Is this regarding a recent ebay purchase you made? If so, what are the clubs in question and why do you believe they are fake?

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  • dokexdokex Members  322WRX Points: 114Posts: 322 Greens
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    No, I haven't bought any counterfeits. I just started a discussion about the right/wrong to do once you are stuck with fakes.

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  • SkhackerSkhacker The Minimalist Golfer Members  1740WRX Points: 241Handicap: 6Posts: 1,740 Platinum Tees
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    Can you report a sale of counterfeit goods to the proper authority? Notify the seller that’s what you’re doing. Maybe start with that.

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  • Krt22Krt22 East BayMembers  9564WRX Points: 3,179Posts: 9,564 Titanium Tees
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    I can't imagine a scenario where this holds true, unless you bought them off craigslist for cash, in which case you should have done your homework.

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  • dmecca2dmecca2 Scranton, PAMembers  384WRX Points: 338Handicap: +3Posts: 384 Greens
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    When I worked at GG, we had people trying to trade in fakes quite often. In fact, we had the same set of bogus pxg irons come into the store three times in one day! The first guy brought the clubs in for a shaft repair. When he was told they were fake, he returned them to play it again sports. That same day, two more people brought them in for the repair. I don't know what play it again did after the third return.

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  • ChitownM2ChitownM2 Members  127WRX Points: 44Posts: 127 Fairways
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    I'm not sure how your post is at all relevant. Obviously if you don't realize something is fake until 5 or 10 years later you're stuck with it. I'm sure that if you or your dad had realized that putter was fake at the get go you would have taken it back and gotten a refund.

    This conversation is about what to do if you find out something you recently purchased is fake. I would say 30 days or maybe up to 60 but definitely no more.

    Personally, I would do everything in my power to get a refund from the seller. Paypal dispute, CC dispute, etc. If all of that was futile, then I'd probably re-sell them (locally if possible) with full disclosure that they are fake. After that it is not my job to be the morality police and ensure that an unscrupulous person doesn't resell them again.

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  • dmecca2dmecca2 Scranton, PAMembers  384WRX Points: 338Handicap: +3Posts: 384 Greens
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    I read the scenario as, "you have a fake club and for some reason you are stuck with it. Ethically, what is the right thing to do. Sell it as a labeled fake, throw it away, or keep it."

    Obviously if you just bought the club you need to take it back to whoever you sold it to.

    I was giving an example to a situation where I am stuck with the club and cant return it, and what I am doing with the club. Literally exactly what the OP is requesting.

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  • ChitownM2ChitownM2 Members  127WRX Points: 44Posts: 127 Fairways
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    I see what you are saying, I just interpreted his post differently. It says "...you somehow bought a set of fake clubs. What do you do with them" so I assumed that the purchase was recent.

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