What putter was Phil using?

I was watching the final round of the northern trust open yesterday and I couldn'f figure out what putter Phil was using. It looked darker than a black series and had a white hot tour grip but looked nothing like a white hot tour putter. Does anyone know what it was and is there a similar model available to the public?

Phil is using a white hot xg 9 with a gun blue finish. black oxide service can get you a finish that looks black if you want to also. Hope I could help. And in my opinion Phil is a pretty good putter

I think the commentators mentioned he was 56/66 from 6ft at Riviera before he sunk the putt. Pretty good putting in my eyes.

Did you really want to putt like Phil?

Sorry I missed the end of the tournement who won?

Did you really want to putt like Phil?

 

Sorry I missed the end of the tournement who won?

I don't mind having Phil's putting.

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Phil is at #84.......

Did you really want to putt like Phil?

I guess 35 Tour wins including 3 Majors aren't good enough for you :rolleyes:

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Phil is at #84.......

and I'm at #5,867

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Phil is at #84.......

This is one stat on PGA Tour I find disturbingly misleading. Think about it for a second. If player A hits the green and 2-putts for par, that's 2 putts. If player B misses the green and gets up and down for par, that's 1 putt. All it does is telling how many putts per round, not what kind of putter/chipper/scrambler the player is. In short, a terrible stat to represent a player's putting ability.

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Phil is at #84.......

 

This is one stat on PGA Tour I find disturbingly misleading. Think about it for a second. If player A hits the green and 2-putts for par, that's 2 putts. If player B misses the green and gets up and down for par, that's 1 putt. All it does is telling how many putts per round, not what kind of putter/chipper/scrambler the player is. In short, a terrible stat to represent a player's putting ability.

100% agree. You could have a guy only hit 3 greens in a round and get out with only 23 putts only because he was getting up and down where as another player could hit 16 greens and have 30 putts because he couldnt put himself close enough to the pin

There is no GOOD way to do putting stats, really. It's affected not only by GIR, as you guys have correctly pointed out, but also by how close the 2nd shots on the green are (or 1st or 3rd, whatever). That then leads into a discussion of tournaments played and large greens vs smaller greens. They used to have a putts/GIR stat that was at least a little better. The only really good way to look at it would be to break it down by distance, in 3 - 5 foot increments, which can be done now with all the Shotlink stuff, and look at it that way, and do some kind of weighted average thing. He's 12th from 0-5 ft, he's 18th from 5-10, he's 6th from 10-15, etc. etc. then average them up, and see.

There is no GOOD way to do putting stats, really. It's affected not only by GIR, as you guys have correctly pointed out, but also by how close the 2nd shots on the green are (or 1st or 3rd, whatever). That then leads into a discussion of tournaments played and large greens vs smaller greens. They used to have a putts/GIR stat that was at least a little better. The only really good way to look at it would be to break it down by distance, in 3 - 5 foot increments, which can be done now with all the Shotlink stuff, and look at it that way, and do some kind of weighted average thing. He's 12th from 0-5 ft, he's 18th from 5-10, he's 6th from 10-15, etc. etc. then average them up, and see.

I think they should add situation too. Like yesterday's putt.

That'd be tough - what's a more pressure situation, making it to win when you're Mickleson, or making it to win when you've never won before? Making it to win when you're Mickleson, or making it to make a cut to cover your week? Etc, etc... stats can't be subjective, they have to be factual.

I keep the Putting Par statistic.

The Putting Par statistic is a good putting and short game indicator. Putting Par assumes that a player should 2 putt every green they hit in regulation and 1 putt every green they miss. Theoretically, they would then shoot even par. So the actual calculation works like this: If a player hits 10 greens in a round and of course misses 8, they should 2 putt those 10 greens for a total of 20 putts and 1 putt the other 8 and therefore have a total of 28 putts for the round. The difference between their actual number of putts and the formula calculated number they should have (28) is their putting par. If they had 32 putts their putting par would be 32-28 or 4. If they had 25 putts their putting par would be 25-28 or -3.

From an analysis point of view, lower is obviously better. I think an important comparison is to look at the Putting Par number compared to the Score versus Par number. If the Putting Par is higher or close to that number it tells you that the player is losing most of their shots around the green. If the number is quite a bit lower than score versus par, it tells you that they are losing shots from tee to green. A simple way to look at it would be if you have a Score versus Par of 5 and a Putting Par of 2 you could say that they are losing 2 of those 5 shots around the green and the other 3 from tee to green. That is not a perfect relationship, but it is close.

he made that last putt- 'nuff said. i think he polished off part of the top line of his putter, about the length of a golf ball. nice touch.

I keep the Putting Par statistic.

 

The Putting Par statistic is a good putting and short game indicator. Putting Par assumes that a player should 2 putt every green they hit in regulation and 1 putt every green they miss. Theoretically, they would then shoot even par. So the actual calculation works like this: If a player hits 10 greens in a round and of course misses 8, they should 2 putt those 10 greens for a total of 20 putts and 1 putt the other 8 and therefore have a total of 28 putts for the round. The difference between their actual number of putts and the formula calculated number they should have (28) is their putting par. If they had 32 putts their putting par would be 32-28 or 4. If they had 25 putts their putting par would be 25-28 or -3.

 

From an analysis point of view, lower is obviously better. I think an important comparison is to look at the Putting Par number compared to the Score versus Par number. If the Putting Par is higher or close to that number it tells you that the player is losing most of their shots around the green. If the number is quite a bit lower than score versus par, it tells you that they are losing shots from tee to green. A simple way to look at it would be if you have a Score versus Par of 5 and a Putting Par of 2 you could say that they are losing 2 of those 5 shots around the green and the other 3 from tee to green. That is not a perfect relationship, but it is close.

Again, a pretty good system, especially for analyzing your own game. But we were originally talking about PUTTING stats - this throws chipping/short game into it, with no distinction. Flub a chip, leave a 20 footer, and miss it vs great chip, leave a 2 footer and make it. Does that make the 2nd guy a better putter? No. Again, another example of how hard it is to rank putting ability based on stats.

They used to have a putts/GIR stat that was at least a little better.

They still use Putts per GIR for the year end summary!

For the record, according to "Golf World" Year in Review, Mickelson was 22nd in PPGIR (1.761) for the 2008 Season. That's not too shabby in my book. For comparison, Woods had a 1.735 average, which would have ranked him 4th, but since he did not play the required minimum (50 rounds), he did not receive an official ranking.

The best of the top 125 was Ryan Palmer at #2 with a 1.720, and number one was Bob Tway at 1.718!

They used to have a putts/GIR stat that was at least a little better.

 

 

They still use Putts per GIR for the year end summary!

 

For the record, according to "Golf World" Year in Review, Mickelson was 22nd in PPGIR (1.761) for the 2008 Season. That's not too shabby in my book. For comparison, Woods had a 1.735 average, which would have ranked him 4th, but since he did not play the required minimum (50 rounds), he did not receive an official ranking.

 

The best of the top 125 was Ryan Palmer at #2 with a 1.720, and number one was Bob Tway at 1.718!

Of course. So now that we know, can someone please tell me what kind of putters Bob Tway and Ryan Palmer are using? :cheesy: JK

hahahaha... wonder if Tway is still using the Bulls eye...

I agree with you but there is a stat called putts per greens is regulation. So if you miss left on a par four on your second shot and then chip and one putt, it does not count as a one putt.

Back to his putter; What kind of grip was he using? Could it be one of the new Goodyear grips? I thought I saw some yellow graphics on it that looked like the other new Goodyear grips.