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What does a avg 6 handicap shoot?

Golferpimp1Golferpimp1 Charter Members Posts: 656
Just joined a club, and today the regular group asked me what my handicap is. I havent been keeping it, and actually never have. Played to about a 1 or 2 for a few years in school, but now im 5 years removed. I usually shoot between 77 and 83 or so. I always want to say my handicap is about 7 or 8, but I know our handicap system is all jacked up, its not truly the avg of your scores, since you drop the highest 10 or something like that. Any help???



Thanks,

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  • AsleepAsleep Marshals Posts: 9,056
    Get your new club to sponsor your handicap and post as many legitimate scores as you can verify.



    My answer if in your situation is just what you said.....I don't have one yet, but my scores range from 77-to-83.
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  • rankoutsiderrankoutsider Advanced Members Posts: 2,040
    Handicaps are never the average of your scores, they are 96 per cent of the average over par of the best 10 of your last twenty. If you are using the club's computer to calculate and store it, it will have the data about slope ratings stored, and perform that part of the calculation for you.



    A person who averaged 6 strokes over par in his or her golf would be about a 4 handicap. A 6 handicap would average 81 on their rounds that counted toward the handicap, and would likely be scoring in the high 80s or low 90s on a really bad day, and down to 77 or so on a really good day.
  • Bomb and GougeBomb and Gouge Advanced Members Posts: 2,533
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!



    Which is fine...but you'd think more golfers would have a basic understating of what a handicap is and how it's calculated.
  • Golferpimp1Golferpimp1 Charter Members Posts: 656
    frankly I think its absurd how it is calculated. Would make much more sense if it was just a straight average and nothing else. Maybe take into account slope etc, but none of this dropping high rounds etc.
  • DizzDizz J.W. Advanced Members Posts: 14,258
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!



    Which is fine...but you'd think more golfers would have a basic understating of what a handicap is and how it's calculated.




    Try explaining to the "scratch" golfer that shooting 72 on that pitch and putt course rated 68 isn't scratch. But seriously if you shoot between 77-83 it would be very course dependent. 77-83 at Butler National would be a lot better than a 6 handicap.
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  • rustyputterguyrustyputterguy Members Posts: 1,210
    Golferpimp1 wrote on Oct 5 2009, 03:07 PM:
    frankly I think its absurd how it is calculated. Would make much more sense if it was just a straight average and nothing else. Maybe take into account slope etc, but none of this dropping high rounds etc.




    Great idea, let's get rid of ESC too. Don't mind me while I 20 putt this last hole to inflate my average. :P
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  • SawgrassSawgrass Advanced Members Posts: 14,749 ✭✭
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!




    I second this observation. Also, if one's answer to a handicap question doesn't come with the word "point" in it, consider not listening.
  • buykruxbuykrux Advanced Members Posts: 461
    is the handicap not your 10 best of 20 last scores?

    in a 5.9 and i have a few 73's 77's and 85's

    depends on the day i guess

    id say the mode score for me its a 77, a bad day is a 82+ and a good day is under 75

    everyones different
  • crtssxccrtssxc Advanced Members Posts: 894
    Sawgrass wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:31 PM:
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!




    I second this observation. Also, if one's answer to a handicap question doesn't come with the word "point" in it, consider not listening.




    Unless of course they are giving you their course handicap not handicap index.
  • teejaywhyteejaywhy Official GolfWRX Curmudgeon Advanced Members Posts: 7,155
    buykrux wrote on Oct 5 2009, 01:34 PM:
    is the handicap not your 10 best of 20 last scores?




    Actually, it is 96% of the average of the lowest 10 of the last 20 "differentials."



    Hope that helps image/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />
  • gwlee7gwlee7 No longer putts like a Moose Advanced Members Posts: 1,582
    Sawgrass wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:31 PM:
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!




    I second this observation. Also, if one's answer to a handicap question doesn't come with the word "point" in it, consider not listening.






    I am about a 6 (6.2 actually image/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' /> ) and will shoot from the mid 70s to the mid 80s most of the time. Some times I'll shoot a bit lower and have scared 90 a couple of times this season.
  • kekoakekoa ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 8,747
    if im not mistaken, you should only shoot your index about 25% of the time. that's what i've been told anyhow.
  • ZBigStickZBigStick Practice Perfect Form Advanced Members Posts: 5,313
    rustyputterguy wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:29 PM:
    Golferpimp1 wrote on Oct 5 2009, 03:07 PM:
    frankly I think its absurd how it is calculated. Would make much more sense if it was just a straight average and nothing else. Maybe take into account slope etc, but none of this dropping high rounds etc.




    Great idea, let's get rid of ESC too. Don't mind me while I 20 putt this last hole to inflate my average. :P




    Or the , "Geez, I don't know where that 69 cam from , I only average 81. I guess I just play better in tourneys with tucked pins." image/secret.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':secret:' />



    Get a handicap and post all ESC scores. Sandbaggers should be lined up and fired into with Top-Flites! image/vava.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':vava:' />
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  • gwlee7gwlee7 No longer putts like a Moose Advanced Members Posts: 1,582
    There's always that one guy that plays just well enough to win. He might shoot 83 to win by a stroke or shoot 70 to win by a stroke. How does he manage to pull it off? image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />
  • Golferpimp1Golferpimp1 Charter Members Posts: 656
    pardon my ignorance, whats "ESC"
  • bscinstnctbscinstnct Advanced Members Posts: 25,674 ✭✭
    Well I am a 6 and I usually shoot 88.





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  • rustyputterguyrustyputterguy Members Posts: 1,210
    Golferpimp1 wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:28 PM:
    pardon my ignorance, whats "ESC"




    ESC is equitable scoring control.

    It's the rule in the USGA handicap system that sets the maximum score you can post for a hole. For instance, I'm a 2.8, the maximum score I can post for a hole is +2 over par. That number changes with your handicap. If I shoot a 78 and the round includes two triple bogeys, my adjusted score would actually be a 76 as far as handicap posting goes.

    (It doesn't mean you write down a lower score for a hole on the scorecard, you just adjust your posted score.)

    It stops people from intentionally or unintentionally bumping their handicap up by blowing up on a hole.

    Obviously there are other ways to "adjust" your handicap, as the guy who netted 62 and 63 in my course championship can tell you. :P



    BTW, I wasn't taking a shot at you with my comment. Averaging scores for sake of competition just isn't a very good way of leveling the playing field, ESC is one part of the handicap system that's put in place to try to make things fair. Granted the whole system's reliability is directly based on the integrity of those posting.
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  • ABTABT Advanced Members Posts: 344
    bscinstnct wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:50 PM:
    Well I am a 6 and I usually shoot 88.





    image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />






    That's strange. I use myscorecard.com.



    My USGA HC Index is 9.1 and my Trend HC is 9.9 but my average score is 84.8. One of us is wrong.
  • SawgrassSawgrass Advanced Members Posts: 14,749 ✭✭
    edited October 2009
    ABT wrote on Oct 5 2009, 06:13 PM:
    bscinstnct wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:50 PM:
    Well I am a 6 and I usually shoot 88.





    image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />






    That's strange. I use myscorecard.com.



    My USGA HC Index is 9.1 and my Trend HC is 9.9 but my average score is 84.8. One of us is wrong.




    It really depends on rating and slope of the course you typically play on. Could be you're both right.
  • ABTABT Advanced Members Posts: 344
    Sawgrass wrote on Oct 5 2009, 05:16 PM:
    ABT wrote on Oct 5 2009, 06:13 PM:
    bscinstnct wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:50 PM:
    Well I am a 6 and I usually shoot 88.





    image/rolleyes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':rolleyes:' />






    That's strange. I use myscorecard.com.



    My USGA HC Index is 9.1 and my Trend HC is 9.9 but my average score is 84.8. One of us is wrong.




    It really depends on rating and slope of the course you typically play on. Could be you're both right.




    Very good point. Myaverage rating is 69.3 and slope of 120.
  • BuzzkillBuzzkill Marshals Posts: 6,573 mod
    kekoa wrote on Oct 5 2009, 02:01 PM:
    if im not mistaken, you should only shoot your index about 25% of the time. that's what i've been told anyhow.






    Your correct! Those of us with a true handicap (not sandbaggers) will only shoot our index 25% of the time.
  • Bomb and GougeBomb and Gouge Advanced Members Posts: 2,533
    From what I've seen, about 25% of golfers play the ball down.



    You have vanity handicaps, sandbaggers and cheaters. And since you don't need a witness to post a score, I don't have much faith in the handicap system...at all.



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  • Victory_RedVictory_Red Advanced Members Posts: 196
    rustyputterguy wrote on Oct 5 2009, 06:00 PM:
    ... Granted the whole system's reliability is directly based on the integrity of those posting.






    This is it right here.
  • freddiecfreddiec Advanced Members Posts: 4,235
    I'm a 5.9 index and my "Average round" is around 80-81.5 I'd say. My scores range anywhere from 2 or 3 over to 12 to 14 over. I've shot under par twice in my career on a par 72 with a slope of around 133.
  • migolfkemigolfke Advanced Members Posts: 591 ✭✭
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!



    Which is fine...but you'd think more golfers would have a basic understating of what a handicap is and how it's calculated.




    Just because someone does not know there handicap does not mean they don't have a basic understanding of what it is or how its calculated.
  • ryan.sryan.s Advanced Members Posts: 490
    edited October 2009
    migolfke wrote on Oct 5 2009, 05:12 PM:
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!



    Which is fine...but you'd think more golfers would have a basic understating of what a handicap is and how it's calculated.




    Just because someone does not know there handicap does not mean they don't have a basic understanding of what it is or how its calculated.




    I would have to agree. Also just because someone says "about" doesn't mean they don't know what their handicap is. I'm a 4.6 as of last month but range between that and 5.5 or so depending on the month. When some asks what my handicap is I usually say "about a 5". I don't see the point in using the "point" with the exact index in casual conversation.
  • Bomb and GougeBomb and Gouge Advanced Members Posts: 2,533
    migolfke wrote on Oct 5 2009, 07:12 PM:
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!



    Which is fine...but you'd think more golfers would have a basic understating of what a handicap is and how it's calculated.




    Just because someone does not know there handicap does not mean they don't have a basic understanding of what it is or how its calculated.




    ok.
  • JohnnyJohnny Get Kwok'd Charter Members Posts: 8,706
    I'm a 6 or resemble one sometimes... I've shot 72-89 this year image/black eye.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':black eye:' />

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  • kekoakekoa ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 8,747
    i started the year as a 3 and now am closer to a 6. i shot 87 last weekend due to my driver. I used to laugh when guys would have probs with the big dog. Now I'm one of those people. Its the most frustrating thing ever. Get me in the fairway and I can hit a green 7/10 times. image/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
  • tatertottatertot Advanced Members Posts: 4,226 ✭✭
    Don't know if this will help, but I'm currently a 6.2 with the following scores since July:



    10/04/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 73* None [Edit ] [delete]

    09/29/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 77* None [Edit ] [delete]

    09/25/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 79 None [Edit ] [delete]

    09/20/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 75* None [Edit ] [delete]

    09/18/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 76* None [Edit ] [delete]

    09/11/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 78* None [Edit ] [delete]

    09/10/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 78* None [Edit ] [delete]

    09/03/2009 Blank 71.1 122 84 None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/31/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 75* None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/28/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 73* None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/19/2009 Blank 71.1 122 83 None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/17/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 77* None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/13/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 80 None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/11/2009 Grand View 65.7 108 82 None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/07/2009 Blank 71.1 122 81 None [Edit ] [delete]

    08/03/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 73* None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/31/2009 Blank 71.1 122 82 None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/27/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 81 None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/23/2009 Grand View 65.7 108 79 None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/17/2009 Waveland 70.6 121 85 None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/13/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 76 None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/10/2009 Grand View 65.7 108 81 None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/08/2009 Blank 71.1 122 81 None [Edit ] [delete]

    07/03/2009 Copper Creek 68.6 120 79 None [Edit ] [delete]
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  • JohnnyJohnny Get Kwok'd Charter Members Posts: 8,706
    kekoa wrote on Oct 5 2009, 05:56 PM:
    i started the year as a 3 and now am closer to a 6. i shot 87 last weekend due to my driver. I used to laugh when guys would have probs with the big dog. Now I'm one of those people. Its the most frustrating thing ever. Get me in the fairway and I can hit a green 7/10 times. image/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />


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  • Siteseer2Siteseer2 ClubWRX Charter Members Posts: 1,155
    Johnny wrote on Oct 5 2009, 09:14 PM:
    kekoa wrote on Oct 5 2009, 05:56 PM:
    i started the year as a 3 and now am closer to a 6. i shot 87 last weekend due to my driver. I used to laugh when guys would have probs with the big dog. Now I'm one of those people. Its the most frustrating thing ever. Get me in the fairway and I can hit a green 7/10 times. image/sad.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />


    welcome to my world image/partytime2.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':partytime2:' />


    Hmmm where's the R9... back to J340???
  • powerfade66powerfade66 Advanced Members Posts: 449
    I'm from Aus where handicap system is a lot different. Once you're below 4 you go down 0.1 for every shot you have under your handicap on any given day and go out 0.1 when you play worse (0.1 if between 1 and 5 worse and 0.2 if more than 5 worse) so it takes a while to get down to a low handicap. So I don't know much about the US system but if this average of best ten of last twenty is correct does that mean that to be off plus 4 as many claim they would have to be 40 under for their best ten? It seems that it's easy in your system to get a low handicap but not easy to get a super low handicap i.e. plus 4.
  • Lumpy_22Lumpy_22 Advanced Members Posts: 270
    edited October 2009
    Well here's my dilemma....



    07/09/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 76 * View/Edit 4.3

    01/09/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 77 * View/Edit 5.2

    31/08/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 74 * View/Edit 2.6

    29/08/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 75 * View/Edit 3.5

    28/08/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 82 View/Edit 9.6

    25/08/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 83 View/Edit 10.4

    22/08/2009 Bel Acres Golf & Country Club 18 Blue A 73.8/128 76 * View/Edit 1.9

    01/08/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue T 71.0/130 79 View/Edit 7.0

    30/07/2009 Southwood Golf & Country Club 18 Blue T 70.2/120 80 View/Edit 9.2

    29/07/2009 Southwood Golf & Country Club 18 Blue T 70.2/120 77 View/Edit 6.4

    28/07/2009 Southwood Golf & Country Club 18 Blue T 70.2/120 75 * View/Edit 4.5

    27/07/2009 Southwood Golf & Country Club 18 Blue T 70.2/120 75 * View/Edit 4.5

    26/07/2009 Southwood Golf & Country Club 18 Blue A 71.0/130 75# * View/Edit 3.5

    26/07/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 79 View/Edit 7.0

    25/07/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 81 View/Edit 8.7

    23/07/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 75 * View/Edit 3.5

    21/07/2009 Pinawa Golf Club 18 Blue T 71.0/130 85# View/Edit 12.2

    20/07/2009 Pinawa Golf Club 18 Blue T 72.9/129 84 View/Edit 9.7

    19/07/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue T 71.0/130 77 * View/Edit 5.2

    19/07/2009 St. Boniface Golf Club 18 Blue 71.0/130 84 View/Edit 11.3





    Now when I play my buds, I'm a 3.7 factor... so I get 4 strokes on the toughest 4 holes, my partners get 18, 19 and 11 respectively.



    Now guess how often I win...well let's say I shot 73, 81, and 76 the last 3 rounds ..



    73 -4 = 69 should be a winner right ?????? ... uh no.......the 18 shoots 86...86-18= 68 !!!!!



    Now I shoot UNDER my cap (73 = 1.7) and I LOSE!



    Personally I hate the system. I lost on the 81 obviously... and the 76 was a tie... so I gain 1/2 point in 3 rounds.. image/black eye.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':black eye:' />



    Funny though how when money's on the line people play better than potential, but NEVER play in tournaments...



    Just for comparison my high round this year is 87, my low is 73



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  • GTA SOLGTA SOL Advanced Members Posts: 545 ✭✭
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 6 2009, 12:51 AM:
    You have vanity handicaps, sandbaggers and cheaters. And since you don't need a witness to post a score, I don't have much faith in the handicap system...at all.



    image/biggrin.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':D' />




    The system at my club (and possibly the rest of the UK) kind of prevents this. Once you have a club handicap, the only scorecards that can be used for handicap adjustments are those shot in club competitions, and so there is always a minimum of at least one 'witness' to your score. It also means that most if not all players are trying to play to their best as there is a club cup / monthly medal on the line.



    The down side is that if you don't play in many comps, your club handicap can bear little relation to your actual playing handicap, althought I think this is being addressed by the need for players to have at least X number of cards / scores (shot in competitions - I can't remember the exact number) registered each year for the handicap to remain valid.
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  • leoh923leoh923 Advanced Members Posts: 1,243
    I have an 8.4 index, usually shoot between 78 - 84, with the occaisional train wreck in the high 80's.
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  • peez007peez007 Advanced Members Posts: 242
    i am a 7.4.... i shoot between 77-83



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  • ZBigStickZBigStick Practice Perfect Form Advanced Members Posts: 5,313
    leoh923 wrote on Oct 6 2009, 08:09 AM:
    I have an 8.4 index, usually shoot between 78 - 84, with the occaisional train wreck in the high 80's.





    peez007 wrote on Oct 6 2009, 08:30 AM:
    i am a 7.4.... i shoot between 77-83



    Awesome Round=74

    Blow Up Round= 86




    Those indexes seem a little high unless your 77 and 78 are occasional and not usual.

    That is unless your home course rating and slope are on the low side. That is the thing too, course ratings can move your index +/- 2, so that also adds to there being no Average 6 capper.
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  • 6keith6keith Advanced Members Posts: 171
    which is why I just cannot stand playing in handicapped events any more. Sad but true the system is always gamed by someone. image/black eye.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':black eye:' />
  • DaveLeeNCDaveLeeNC Advanced Members Posts: 5,143
    edited October 2009
    Sawgrass wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:31 PM:
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!




    I second this observation. Also, if one's answer to a handicap question doesn't come with the word "point" in it, consider not listening.




    I post a minimum of 2 rounds/week (weather permitting). I play pretty much exclusively one of the following



    1) Organized golf where the scorecards include indexes and strokes (pulled directly from our club's handicap computer)



    2) Friendly rounds with buddies where we are not competing.



    I honestly do not know exactly what my index is right now (other than recalling that last Friday it was either 4.6 or 4.9 - can't remember, but I got 5 strokes on the course regardless). I don't recall simply because it is information that is not useful to me 99% of the time. If it matters it is provided to me. I used to pretty much know all the time when our indexes only changed monthly. 2x per month is somehow more than I can naturally keep up with.



    If I were traveling somewhere anticipating it mattering, I would look it up. Otherwise ....



    dave
  • TimeToFlyTimeToFly Advanced Members Posts: 686
    im a 5.5 at the moment and here are my last 20 rounds:

    81, 80, 76, 78, 77, 81, 81, 72, 74, 82, 78, 82, 82, 79, 74, 78, 73, 73, 75, 77
  • kevhughes44kevhughes44 Advanced Members Posts: 172
    edited October 2009
    Golferpimp1 wrote on Oct 5 2009, 01:07 PM:
    frankly I think its absurd how it is calculated. Would make much more sense if it was just a straight average and nothing else. Maybe take into account slope etc, but none of this dropping high rounds etc.




    Just read Rank's post above. Playing against others that keep an honest handicap, if yours is honest, is a very good equalizer. Remember that not all players have similar spreads in their scores. Some vary wildly and some are very close. But if everyone is honest and diligent, the system works well.
  • kevhughes44kevhughes44 Advanced Members Posts: 172
    Golferpimp1 wrote on Oct 5 2009, 01:07 PM:
    frankly I think its absurd how it is calculated. Would make much more sense if it was just a straight average and nothing else. Maybe take into account slope etc, but none of this dropping high rounds etc.





    Dizzub wrote on Oct 5 2009, 01:11 PM:
    Bomb and Gouge wrote on Oct 5 2009, 04:02 PM:
    When someone says their handicap is "about [fill in the blank]", I know they really have no idea. ha ha ha!



    Which is fine...but you'd think more golfers would have a basic understating of what a handicap is and how it's calculated.




    Try explaining to the "scratch" golfer that shooting 72 on that pitch and putt course rated 68 isn't scratch. But seriously if you shoot between 77-83 it would be very course dependent. 77-83 at Butler National would be a lot better than a 6 handicap.




    I shot 81 on the Home Course during a practice round for the US Open Qualifying, 7547 yards long, cold and windy. Great round by my standards, differential of 4. Glad I only played the practice round though.
  • ZBigStickZBigStick Practice Perfect Form Advanced Members Posts: 5,313
    TimeToFly wrote on Oct 6 2009, 12:05 PM:
    im a 5.5 at the moment and here are my last 20 rounds:

    81, 80, 76, 78, 77, 81, 81, 72, 74, 82, 78, 82, 82, 79, 74, 78, 73, 73, 75, 77




    Great scores, very consistent. I would have figured those scores for a 3hdcp.



    What length and slope/rating do you play?
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  • 2ironstinger2ironstinger Members Posts: 11
    I am 6 feet tall.
  • ateupwithgolfateupwithgolf Advanced Members Posts: 430
    Been playing for years but never have posted a handicap, lazy I guess. Anyway, does a true handicap assume you putt out everything and play the ball down? I typically do when I am playing alone, but if the rules are play it up for $, then I do that too. Even our club championship has a club length improvement, which I think is stupid, so I was wondering.
  • TimeToFlyTimeToFly Advanced Members Posts: 686
    edited October 2009
    ZBigStick wrote on Oct 6 2009, 01:17 PM:
    TimeToFly wrote on Oct 6 2009, 12:05 PM:
    im a 5.5 at the moment and here are my last 20 rounds:

    81, 80, 76, 78, 77, 81, 81, 72, 74, 82, 78, 82, 82, 79, 74, 78, 73, 73, 75, 77




    Great scores, very consistent. I would have figured those scores for a 3hdcp.



    What length and slope/rating do you play?







    thanks. i play 4 different courses on a regular basis. here are the slopes/ratings of them. not the hardest/longest courses to play, thats for sure. if i played 7000 yard courses, i guess my hcp would be lower, right? i dont understand how the hcp is calculated at all:



    6785 yds 73.5/129

    6233 yds 69.2/123

    6271 yds 70.4/120

    6302 yds 71.0/132
  • ZBigStickZBigStick Practice Perfect Form Advanced Members Posts: 5,313
    edited October 2009
    TimeToFly wrote on Oct 6 2009, 02:35 PM:
    ZBigStick wrote on Oct 6 2009, 01:17 PM:
    TimeToFly wrote on Oct 6 2009, 12:05 PM:
    im a 5.5 at the moment and here are my last 20 rounds:

    81, 80, 76, 78, 77, 81, 81, 72, 74, 82, 78, 82, 82, 79, 74, 78, 73, 73, 75, 77




    Great scores, very consistent. I would have figured those scores for a 3hdcp.



    What length and slope/rating do you play?







    thanks. i play 4 different courses on a regular basis. here are the slopes/ratings of them. not the hardest/longest courses to play, thats for sure. if i played 7000 yard courses, i guess my hcp would be lower, right? i dont understand how the hcp is calculated at all:



    6785 yds 73.5/129

    6233 yds 69.2/123

    6271 yds 70.4/120

    6302 yds 71.0/132




    Yes, if you shot those same scores on courses with higher ratings and slopes, which often correspond to longer courses, your index would be lower.



    I was mostly curious as my index is just a hair lower than yours but I am no where near as consistent, but as one's handicap is most representative of one's potential and my good scores outweigh my bad scores for index purposes.



    I usually play 6600-7000 72.5/134.



    The course I moved from was 6900 74/140
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  • phil75070phil75070 Advanced Members Posts: 1,888 ✭✭
    I am currently a 1.3 index and my average score is a fraction under 78. That average score may seem high, but I play a difficult course with all but one round in the last 20 played at either 6533 yards, 73.1/139 or 6889 yards, 74.8/139. My scores range between 71 and 85. Handicap will be very dependent on the course rating and slope and many forget that a handicap is supposed to represent a "potential" not an "average".
  • sdiver68sdiver68 Advanced Members Posts: 492
    edited October 2009
    I'm a 13.8 index. Average score this year about 87. Average score last 20 rounds = 88.5 due to playing tougher courses.



    My HCP goes up when I play courses 6400+, with fast undulating greens and thick, greenside rough. When I play a higher percentage of courses in the 6100-6400 range, with slower or flat greens and less severe rough, I slide down toward a 8 HCP.



    I believe the course rating system is also severely flawed. Speed of the green and type/severity/length of the rough is much more important to my score than distance + obstacles which the rating is primarily based on.
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