TP Red vs TP Black (LDP)

I've seen a lot of conflicting information from various places, and the confusion was made only worse by the fact that when Taylormade first started making balls again, the black was the harder of the two. My question is this - strictly in terms of greenside performance, which ball spins more? I don't care about ball flight or driver spin or anything like that, I just want to know which ball checks up more quickly around the greens on pitches, bunker shots etc.

Thanks

TP Black will check more

I play the black, and I am very satisfied with the green side performance.
Not sure about the reds, they are being retired, to be replaced by the
Penta, I think.

Black LDP is for lower spin players, those looking for more spin

Red LDP is for higher spin players, those wanting a ball that spins a bit less

This is DIRECTLY PER TM.

People will chime in and contradict that, but I've played the LDP balls since they came out. I hated the prior red and blacks, but swear by the Red LDP. There can't be many that have played more golf with the Red LDP than I, and I fully support what TM says--it is the lowest spinning, tour caliber ball I've found. That's perfect for me.

There's no "best ball out there"...the best ball is the one that fits you, but this is easily the best ball for me...hence me buying them up every chance I get now that they've stopped making them.

+1 on the reds...unbelievable ball.

+2 TP Reds are the real deal.

Any one make the change from the TP Red LDP to the Penta? If yes, comments please (distance, feel, spin, putter feel,..)

Thanks!

Going to miss the TP Red. Best ball for me that I've played in quite a while.

I'm not asking which ball you guys prefer. I'm asking which one spins more around the greens.

Regarding the info on the TM site - I saw that as well, but I wasn't sure if they were talking about full shot spin rates or spin around the greens.

[quote name='Benefactor' date='18 June 2010 - 02:09 PM' timestamp='1276884580' post='2517854']
I'm not asking which ball you guys prefer. I'm asking which one spins more around the greens.

Regarding the info on the TM site - I saw that as well, but I wasn't sure if they were talking about full shot spin rates or spin around the greens.
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sorry to be so long winded in my attempt to help

black is your answer

[quote name='Benefactor' date='18 June 2010 - 01:09 PM' timestamp='1276884580' post='2517854']
I'm not asking which ball you guys prefer. I'm asking which one spins more around the greens.

Regarding the info on the TM site - I saw that as well, but I wasn't sure if they were talking about full shot spin rates or spin around the greens.
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They are talking about shots hit with irons, full or partial. Black spins more off the irons.

I agree with Muxi as these are great balls and I have been stocking up on them....now I know who keeps beating me to the BST ads for them!!

I have a box of Penta's and so far I like them quite a bit...unfortunately the weather has sucked around here so I have not played as much with my normal conditions to make a fair comparison....stay tuned!

Ken

I doubt berating people is going to result in the info you want. Good luck with that. LOL!

[quote name='Benefactor' date='18 June 2010 - 10:04 AM' timestamp='1276877040' post='2517621']
I've seen a lot of conflicting information from various places, and the confusion was made only worse by the fact that when Taylormade first started making balls again, the black was the harder of the two. My question is this - strictly in terms of greenside performance, which ball spins more? I don't care about ball flight or driver spin or anything like that, I just want to know which ball checks up more quickly around the greens on pitches, bunker shots etc.

Thanks
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Around the greens Red and Black are very similar. Where they vary is which spins more off irons and woods. Although, I regularly play Callaway's i(z), "TMTP Red" is by backup ball; partly because I still have a few dozen left from when it was my main choice. It's a great ball.

For me the black almost spins too much, just comes up short every time.

For me the Black spins quite a bit more...dangerous for me off the drivers and certainly shorter on the irons as the Black spins so much more. Around the greens I can get the Reds to two-hop-stop (on good days!) but with the Black I either get them spinning back or they land and pretty much sit on short pitches...

Ken

To answer OP's question, on full wedge/short irons shots I would say the black spins more. Touch shots around the greens are equal between the red and black.

As for the other question about the Penta. The Penta is straighter off of the tee compares to the Red LDP, but maybe a hair shorter. At least it was the case for me with just a 95mph swing speed. Everything else is better, irons, wedges. Biggest difference is putting feel. Red LDP feels pretty good, Penta is just way better. I don't use an insert putter so YMMV.

I've seen a lot of conflicting information from various places, and the confusion was made only worse by the fact that when Taylormade first started making balls again, the black was the harder of the two. My question is this - strictly in terms of greenside performance, which ball spins more? I don't care about ball flight or driver spin or anything like that, I just want to know which ball checks up more quickly around the greens on pitches, bunker shots etc.

 

Thanks

 

Around the greens Red and Black are very similar. Where they vary is which spins more off irons and woods. Although, I regularly play Callaway's i(z), "TMTP Red" is by backup ball; partly because I still have a few dozen left from when it was my main choice. It's a great ball.

When does one use one's "backup balls" ???

The TP Black is a harder ball with a softer cover - it will spin more.

The TP Red is a more malleable ball with a harder cover - it will deform/compress more and spin less. Because there is little compression on wedge shots, it will not generate much spin.

I play the TP Red LDP and appreciate the distance and accuracy on long shots. I rarely pull the string on full wedge shots but I don't have trouble checking the ball up on chip shots. I like that I can play a few holes with the TP Red and barely see any scuff marks.

Edit: That was at least how I understood it. Perhaps I should step back and say that I haven't played the TP Black. I also found this thread: [url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/344832-highest-compression-golf-ball/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...sion-golf-ball/[/url] where someone posted a document with compression ratings and cover hardness and from that data, the TP Black and TP Red should play very similar close to the green as they were tested to have similar cover hardness (slightly harder than the Pro V1x). Moving away from the green - the harder you hit the ball, the more you compress it, and the less the Red will spin in relation to the Black.

Played the black LDP, if you're a high ball hitter, stay away from this ball, it will balloon on you. i cannot stand or play this ball. The TM red ldp is the best ball i have ever used, lower trajectory, great into the wind ball and does not ballon. This ball is a hit and stop ball. The Srixon zstar a close 2nd but durability, hard to beat the TM red ldp.

I'd say the TP Red LDP is better. I'll miss it, but I have found a great replacement- The 09 ProV1X.

Hey.....I bought a dozen of the TP Reds the other day and played my first round with one yesterday. Bogeyed 18 to shoot even par 72. I was hitting the ball at least 10 yards farther than I ever have on some holes.

I'm a 0 handicap and have played the course numerous times, so I know where I typically end up after good drives/tee shots.

Green side spin is fantastic as well as the feel when putting.

I plan to buy a few more dozen......

On greenside chips and bunker shots their will be NO difference! The urethane covers is all that comes into play due to the ball not getting compressed.
BTW... a properly played ball from a bunker shot with good sand never hits the clubface anyway!

I play to a 20 handicap and have played the TP black and reds exclusively for the last year. The black definitely spins more. Even I can make a chip shot spin with the blacks. I like to use these balls on courses that are hard or have tight pins. I mostly use the reds though as I like the way they feel off the putter and they are longer with every club.

So if you want spin around the greens, get the blacks.

Pro V = TP RED
Pro Vx = TP BLACK

The TP Red is a little softer and offers more spin in the shorter irons while the TP Black is designed to be longer.

[quote name='Cornbread' date='19 June 2010 - 09:16 AM' timestamp='1276956973' post='2519301']
Pro V = TP RED
Pro Vx = TP BLACK

The TP Red is a little softer and offers more spin in the shorter irons while the TP Black is designed to be longer.
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Isn't this the exact opposite that Taylormade indicated on their website per Muxi's post? I love the TP Blacks and find them to be 5-10 tards longer than the Callaway Tour i(s). I just picked up a box of Z-Stars to compare to the two I mentioned, which are two of my favorites. I also like the Penta but find that it can be a little too high for me on windy days. Off of the putter and short irons/wedges the Penta is awesome. I know it is blasphemy but I have never liked Pro V1s. Maybe I should give the Pro V1x a try.

from the website:
[b]TP Performance[/b] [i][b]TP Red[/b][/i] [list][*]Accelerated ball speed for greater distance[*]High-launch and low-spin off the driver for greater distance[*]Low-launch and high-spin off the irons for greater command[*]Exceptional greenside spin for superior shot-stopping control[/list][i][b]TP Black[/b][/i] [list][*]Accelerated ball speed for greater distance[*]High-launch and low-spin off the driver for greater distance[*]High-launch and high spin off fairway woods, hybrids and irons for greater distance[*]Exceptional greenside spin for superior shot-stopping control[/list]

[quote name='Brettasaurus' date='19 June 2010 - 08:17 AM' timestamp='1276960679' post='2519382']
[quote name='Cornbread' date='19 June 2010 - 09:16 AM' timestamp='1276956973' post='2519301']
Pro V = TP RED
Pro Vx = TP BLACK

The TP Red is a little softer and offers more spin in the shorter irons while the TP Black is designed to be longer.
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Isn't this the exact opposite that Taylormade indicated on their website per Muxi's post? I love the TP Blacks and find them to be 5-10 tards longer than the Callaway Tour i(s). I just picked up a box of Z-Stars to compare to the two I mentioned, which are two of my favorites. I also like the Penta but find that it can be a little too high for me on windy days. Off of the putter and short irons/wedges the Penta is awesome. I know it is blasphemy but I have never liked Pro V1s. Maybe I should give the Pro V1x a try.
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You my evil twin or something? My sentiments exactly. I think you'll love the zstar. You'll find that it's a little higher into the wind shots but it performs much like the ldp red, abliet, imo, it's about 1 or 2 yard shorter. Not tried the zstar-x. I've played the prov1 and prov1x, I like the x better but Titleist, as balls or clubs, never liked them much.

I've played both extensively and noticed very little difference in greenside performance. Both spin pretty well.

[quote name='SwingBlues' date='19 June 2010 - 03:17 PM' timestamp='1276978632' post='2519775']
[quote name='Brettasaurus' date='19 June 2010 - 08:17 AM' timestamp='1276960679' post='2519382']
[quote name='Cornbread' date='19 June 2010 - 09:16 AM' timestamp='1276956973' post='2519301']
Pro V = TP RED
Pro Vx = TP BLACK

The TP Red is a little softer and offers more spin in the shorter irons while the TP Black is designed to be longer.
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Isn't this the exact opposite that Taylormade indicated on their website per Muxi's post? I love the TP Blacks and find them to be 5-10 tards longer than the Callaway Tour i(s). I just picked up a box of Z-Stars to compare to the two I mentioned, which are two of my favorites. I also like the Penta but find that it can be a little too high for me on windy days. Off of the putter and short irons/wedges the Penta is awesome. I know it is blasphemy but I have never liked Pro V1s. Maybe I should give the Pro V1x a try.
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You my evil twin or something? My sentiments exactly. I think you'll love the zstar. You'll find that it's a little higher into the wind shots but it performs much like the ldp red, abliet, imo, it's about 1 or 2 yard shorter. Not tried the zstar-x. I've played the prov1 and prov1x, I like the x better but Titleist, as balls or clubs, never liked them much.
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I will try out the Z-Stars tomorrow and see how they do. I hear you on Titleist, can't even pinpoint something in particular just a general indifference.