Difference between the TP red vs. the TP red ldp?

Whats the difference between these two because I found one of these over the weekend and loved and don't remember which one i had. Since I can't find them in stores I'm using a used golfball site and i don't know which one to get. Yes some of you'll say try them both out which i will, but i wanna know the exactish differences. THanks

LDP = Low Drag Performance

The ball that most people here game (who like the TP Reds) is the TP Red LDP. I believe the non-LDP TP Red is the 2006 model that does not compress as much so it spins more off of the driver and woods. They have about the same cover hardness so are probably similar from 150 yards and in.

I'm a fan of the TP Red LDP. The only knock against them is they're discontinued.

[quote name='moymoiboy' date='12 July 2010 - 06:53 PM' timestamp='1278975221' post='2571530']
Whats the difference between these two because I found one of these over the weekend and loved and don't remember which one i had. Since I can't find them in stores I'm using a used golfball site and i don't know which one to get. Yes some of you'll say try them both out which i will, but i wanna know the exactish differences. THanks
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well I will let you in on my little secret......

Go to amazon and type in taylormade red.

You will find 36 pk's of taylormade reds that will be 75% ldp and 25% original for $19.99 with free shipping (recycled great quality). I bought 18 dozen of them.

The difference is the red is 3 piece and the red ldp is 4 piece (a little softer off long irons)and it has a different dimple pattern (360 vs 322 for the originals)

Sooooo then i guess it sounds like its the LDPs because of they go farther off the driver?

And thanks harrybuckman either ill do that or just get it off of lostballs cause there pretty cheap too.

Edit: and then besides distance off of tee, they're practically the same everywhere else?
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The original TP Red & Black both had harder than the LDP's. The non-LDP Red was a 3-piece, higher spinning than the non-LDP Black, and 105-110 compression. The Red LDP was a 4-piece, lower spin than the Black LDP (TM switched), and is around 95 compression.

[quote name='storm319' date='13 July 2010 - 09:52 AM' timestamp='1279029137' post='2572731']
The original TP Red & Black both had harder than the LDP's. The non-LDP Red was a 3-piece, higher spinning than the non-LDP Black, and 105-110 compression. The Red LDP was a 4-piece, lower spin than the Black LDP (TM switched), and is around 95 compression.
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Compression can be a confusing metric - for the OP, a higher compression rating means a ball that compresses less off your clubs. It doesn't necessarily mean a soft ball (the Pro V1, for example, has a very high compression rating). When a ball with a lower compression rating like the TP Red LDP hits a lower lofted club face, it will squash against the face like a rubber ball and then rebound off more so than a harder core ball which will not compress as much and therefore begin to rotate backwards much earlier in the impact process.

[quote name='bryanr' date='13 July 2010 - 10:07 AM' timestamp='1279030022' post='2572764']
[quote name='storm319' date='13 July 2010 - 09:52 AM' timestamp='1279029137' post='2572731']
The original TP Red & Black both had harder than the LDP's. The non-LDP Red was a 3-piece, higher spinning than the non-LDP Black, and 105-110 compression. The Red LDP was a 4-piece, lower spin than the Black LDP (TM switched), and is around 95 compression.
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Compression can be a confusing metric - for the OP, a higher compression rating means a ball that compresses less off your clubs. It doesn't necessarily mean a soft ball (the Pro V1, for example, has a very high compression rating). When a ball with a lower compression rating like the TP Red LDP hits a lower lofted club face, it will squash against the face like a rubber ball and then rebound off more so than a harder core ball which will not compress as much and therefore begin to rotate backwards much earlier in the impact process.
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which means that since the LDP has a lower compression it will spin less then the original red?

[quote name='bryanr' date='13 July 2010 - 09:07 AM' timestamp='1279030022' post='2572764']
[quote name='storm319' date='13 July 2010 - 09:52 AM' timestamp='1279029137' post='2572731']
The original TP Red & Black both had harder than the LDP's. The non-LDP Red was a 3-piece, higher spinning than the non-LDP Black, and 105-110 compression. The Red LDP was a 4-piece, lower spin than the Black LDP (TM switched), and is around 95 compression.
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Compression can be a confusing metric - for the OP, a higher compression rating means a ball that compresses less off your clubs. It doesn't necessarily mean a soft ball (the Pro V1, for example, has a very high compression rating). When a ball with a lower compression rating like the TP Red LDP hits a lower lofted club face, it will squash against the face like a rubber ball and then rebound off more so than a harder core ball which will not compress as much and therefore begin to rotate backwards much earlier in the impact process.
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I appreciate this explaination. It helps me to visualize and understand it better. Here's what I hear you saying:

[list][*]Lower compression balls will compress (squash) against the face of a club more than a higher compression ball. This will result in a quicker rebound off the face of the club and will not spin as much.[*]Higher compression balls will compress less off the face of a club. As a result, it will have a slower rebound off the face of a club and will be more inclined to spin.[/list]
BTW - I miss the TP RED LDP. I found several boxes at the local Golf Galaxy on their clearance sale. I got them for $18.50 a 12 pk.

[quote name='Skaffa77' date='13 July 2010 - 10:51 AM' timestamp='1279032713' post='2572842']
[quote name='bryanr' date='13 July 2010 - 09:07 AM' timestamp='1279030022' post='2572764']
[quote name='storm319' date='13 July 2010 - 09:52 AM' timestamp='1279029137' post='2572731']
The original TP Red & Black both had harder than the LDP's. The non-LDP Red was a 3-piece, higher spinning than the non-LDP Black, and 105-110 compression. The Red LDP was a 4-piece, lower spin than the Black LDP (TM switched), and is around 95 compression.
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Compression can be a confusing metric - for the OP, a higher compression rating means a ball that compresses less off your clubs. It doesn't necessarily mean a soft ball (the Pro V1, for example, has a very high compression rating). When a ball with a lower compression rating like the TP Red LDP hits a lower lofted club face, it will squash against the face like a rubber ball and then rebound off more so than a harder core ball which will not compress as much and therefore begin to rotate backwards much earlier in the impact process.
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I appreciate this explaination. It helps me to visualize and understand it better. Here's what I hear you saying:

[list][*]Lower compression balls will compress (squash) against the face of a club more than a higher compression ball. This will result in a quicker rebound off the face of the club and will not spin as much.[*]Higher compression balls will compress less off the face of a club. As a result, it will have a slower rebound off the face of a club and will be more inclined to spin.[/list]
BTW - I miss the TP RED LDP. I found several boxes at the local Golf Galaxy on their clearance sale. I got them for $18.50 a 12 pk.
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Glad to help in so much as I understand it.

I would say yes to your two bullet points but I would change "lower compression balls" and "higher compression balls" to read "balls that require less force to compress" and "balls that require more force to compress". It gets confusing because you would think of a ball with "high compression" to mean one that is easily compressed, but if you're talking about ball testing results a higher number means more force is required and therefore they compress less when hit with a golf club.

There are several factors that affect how much a ball spins when struck by a driver but it is safe to say that when a ball [b]compresses more[/b] (i.e. splats up against the face and flattens out) it launches with [b]less spin [/b]than if it hits the driver face and maintains its spherical shape better during the transfer of kinetic energy.

[quote name='Skaffa77' date='13 July 2010 - 09:51 AM' timestamp='1279032713' post='2572842']
[list][*]Lower compression balls will compress (squash) against the face of a club more than a higher compression ball. This will result in a quicker rebound off the face of the club and will not spin as much.[*]Higher compression balls will compress less off the face of a club. As a result, it will have a slower rebound off the face of a club and will be more inclined to spin.[/list]
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Though I agree that this can generally apply to 2-piece balls, compression plays more of a role in feel and initial launch than with spin in multilayer balls.

For example, the B330-S & B330 both have the same basic construction yet the B330 is higher compression yet spins less on all shots. Same with any of the Callaway Tour balls.

There are also situations where this does apply like with the Taylor Made TP LDP & Nike One Tour balls.

I appreciate this explaination. . Here's what I hear you saying:

[list][*]Lower compression balls will compress (squash) against the face of a club more than a higher compression ball. This will result in a quicker rebound off the face of the club and will not spin as much.[*]Higher compression balls will compress less off the face of a club. As a result, it will have a slower rebound off the face of a club and will be more inclined to spin..[*][/list]
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[b]actually, you have this reversed.

The higher the compression of the Ball the more velocity. The softer the compression, the lower the ball velocity.
Higher compression golf balls jump off the face more due to their hardness. Softer lower compression balls compress on the face thereby reducing ball velocity and spin as well. These are general rules of engineering, not always the case however 90% of the time these statements are true[/b].

I am slightly confused also. Which of the TP LDP balls spins the most? Red LDP? Black LDP? My dad has been playing the Black LDP but would like some more greenside spin. Should he get the Red LDP?

[quote name='stansoph' date='13 July 2010 - 07:52 PM' timestamp='1279068750' post='2574241']
I am slightly confused also. Which of the TP LDP balls spins the most? Red LDP? Black LDP? My dad has been playing the Black LDP but would like some more greenside spin. Should he get the Red LDP?


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Black LDP spins more than the Red LDP. There was little difference in spin between the original TP models.

[quote name='storm319' date='14 July 2010 - 07:14 AM' timestamp='1279116841' post='2575164']
[quote name='stansoph' date='13 July 2010 - 07:52 PM' timestamp='1279068750' post='2574241']
I am slightly confused also. Which of the TP LDP balls spins the most? Red LDP? Black LDP? My dad has been playing the Black LDP but would like some more greenside spin. Should he get the Red LDP?


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Black LDP spins more than the Red LDP. There was little difference in spin between the original TP models.
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Thanks for the reply.