Why does this happen?

I posted a question in a thread, but it would threadjack it so I'll just make a topic.

For me and the people in my area(Yes, middle Tennessee), the Z Star(yellow) spins less off of the driver and irons than the Z Star X(yellow)

Why?

The guys at Watts told me that was how they were designed. Is this true?

no the guy at watts is clueless, you probably spin the x more because your ss isnt fast enough to compress the ball..thats why some guys hit a prov1 further then a prov1x...if u really want to test this out, hit full wedges with both balls and you'll see which ball is the "high" spin version

[quote name='miz85uno' timestamp='1294271563' post='2877201']
no the guy at watts is clueless, you probably spin the x more because your ss isnt fast enough to compress the ball..thats why some guys hit a prov1 further then a prov1x...if u really want to test this out, hit full wedges with both balls and you'll see which ball is the "high" spin version
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My ss is between 115 and 124 mph..
And I did hit wedges with both. The X still spun more.
I already knew the thing about compression.. Believe me. I compress the living hell out of the ball.
Thanks though.

The X is built for faster swing speeds. The regular will spin less at lower speeds and the X is built for faster speeds to work it more. It's opposite of the ProVs....

[quote name='jabrch' timestamp='1294274314' post='2877275']
The X is built for faster swing speeds. The regular will spin less at lower speeds and the X is built for faster speeds to work it more. It's opposite of the ProVs....
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You didn't tell me anything I don't already know...
My question is, WHY IS THIS NOT HOLDING TRUE FOR ME?!?
It holds true with me for every other ball. ProV1 spinning more than ProV1x. Nike One Tour spinning more than Nike One Tour D.
My swing speed is the furthest thing from slow. I've actually picked up speed since switching to the I15. It's averaging right at 119 now.

The Z Star is BUILT to spin less. It spins less for that reason. The Z Star X is built to be able to be spun more. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know? Then you know the answer to your own question...design.

[quote name='jabrch' timestamp='1294274684' post='2877289']
The Z Star is BUILT to spin less. It spins less for that reason. The Z Star X is built to be able to be spun more. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know? Then you know the answer to your own question...design.
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Then why is the X advertised as spinning less?

who cares? just go with whatever characteristic of the two that fits your game better. sometimes in practice, it defies what it should do in theory.

I obviously care. Which is why I asked. It's curiosity

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[quote name='jabrch' timestamp='1294274684' post='2877289']
The Z Star is BUILT to spin less. It spins less for that reason. The Z Star X is built to be able to be spun more. I'm not telling you anything you don't already know? Then you know the answer to your own question...design.
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Then why is the X advertised as spinning less?
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I've never seen it advertised as "spinning less". I've seen it advertised as "optimized for high swing speeds".

[quote name='Eternal_Envoy' timestamp='1294275260' post='2877304']
I obviously care. Which is why I asked. It's curiosity
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From their Website
Z Star - [b]SPIN[/b] Tuned to increase distance on the driver while providing unparalleled stopping power on approach shots.




Z Star X - [b]SPIN[/b]

Tuned to increase distance on the driver while providing unparalleled stopping power on approach shots.

Thanks for your help.
Hmmm.
Let me see if I have this right.

BECAUSE I have a higher swing speed, the Z Star will spin less while the X spins more, but IF I had a slower one, the opposite would be true?

The balls are optimized for swing speed. The X is built for you. The regular is built for slower swing speeds. That's how it was explained to me...

[quote name='jabrch' timestamp='1294277462' post='2877356']
The balls are optimized for swing speed. The X is built for you. The regular is built for slower swing speeds. That's how it was explained to me...
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Then why does the Z Star spin less for me?

OK, I'll play along. What if the Z Star is compressed/deformed too much by your mighty lash? So, instead of spinning properly, the ball knuckles...

How's that? Or, maybe it's because Tiger wills it that way.

OK, I'll play along. What if the Z Star is compressed/deformed too much by your mighty lash? So, instead of spinning properly, the ball knuckles...

 

How's that? Or, maybe it's because Tiger wills it that way.

 

 

I was thinking more along the lines of I just bought defective balls but what you said definitely sounds cooler.

Srixon advertises the "X" as the higher spinning ball off the driver. So you are only confirming what is by design.

[quote name='trackcoach13' timestamp='1294284581' post='2877607']
Srixon advertises the "X" as the higher spinning ball off the driver. So you are only confirming what is by design.
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I've never seen the commercials for the Z star, haha.
Thanks for clearing that up. I was kinda worried I bought defective balls.

Man, I'm sorry to see you guys close this up.

I thought it had the makings of a pretty good "Who's On First" routine and was wanting to follow the thread for some fun....

[quote name='Sabaka' timestamp='1294285513' post='2877639']
Man, I'm sorry to see you guys close this up.

I thought it had the makings of a pretty good "Who's On First" routine and was wanting to follow the thread for some fun....
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I think I'm confused by your post.
I wasn't trying to brag or anything. I really thought I bought defective balls. I did it the last time I bought Pro v1s. A top flite xl3000 or whatever they were would spin more than those pro v1s.

But I'm all good now that I see my results are normal.

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[quote name='miz85uno' timestamp='1294271563' post='2877201']
no the guy at watts is clueless, you probably spin the x more because your ss isnt fast enough to compress the ball..thats why some guys hit a prov1 further then a prov1x...if u really want to test this out, hit full wedges with both balls and you'll see which ball is the "high" spin version
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My ss is between 115 and 124 mph..
And I did hit wedges with both. The X still spun more.
I already knew the thing about compression.. Believe me. I compress the living hell out of the ball.
Thanks though.
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Just curious if you noticed that lots of your posts are very arrogant and just seem to be posted simply to try and impress? Somebody answers the question you asked and you pick a fight with them because they did not take into consideration what a beast you are and how you compress the living hell out of the ball? Its old already man.

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[quote name='Eternal_Envoy' timestamp='1294272977' post='2877238']
[quote name='miz85uno' timestamp='1294271563' post='2877201']
no the guy at watts is clueless, you probably spin the x more because your ss isnt fast enough to compress the ball..thats why some guys hit a prov1 further then a prov1x...if u really want to test this out, hit full wedges with both balls and you'll see which ball is the "high" spin version
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My ss is between 115 and 124 mph..
And I did hit wedges with both. The X still spun more.
I already knew the thing about compression.. Believe me. I compress the living hell out of the ball.
Thanks though.
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Just curious if you noticed that lots of your posts are very arrogant and just seem to be posted simply to try and impress? Somebody answers the question you asked and you pick a fight with them because they did not take into consideration what a beast you are and how you compress the living hell out of the ball? Its old already man.
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That's not my intention and I'm very sorry if I come across that way. I really don't mean to. I was just stating why what he thought was incorrect. I didn't mean to pick a fight.
Sorry guys
I'll try and fix that.

Why would you ask a question, and then somebody that answers tell them that they are wrong?

[quote name='bubbagump' timestamp='1294286326' post='2877670']
Why would you ask a question, and then somebody that answers tell them that they are wrong?
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So he could help me come up with another reason.
His reason was that I might not be compressing the ball. Well, I am.
So that can't be the reason. I stated he was wrong so that maybe he could help me come up with another reason that could be right. I said it the wrong way though.

Yeah, you just appear to have a way with words. Did you ask him if he is a single digit hc before you would even consider engaging him in conversation?

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[quote name='bubbagump' timestamp='1294285973' post='2877653']
[quote name='Eternal_Envoy' timestamp='1294272977' post='2877238']
[quote name='miz85uno' timestamp='1294271563' post='2877201']
no the guy at watts is clueless, you probably spin the x more because your ss isnt fast enough to compress the ball..thats why some guys hit a prov1 further then a prov1x...if u really want to test this out, hit full wedges with both balls and you'll see which ball is the "high" spin version
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My ss is between 115 and 124 mph..
And I did hit wedges with both. The X still spun more.
I already knew the thing about compression.. Believe me. I compress the living hell out of the ball.
Thanks though.
[/quote]


Just curious if you noticed that lots of your posts are very arrogant and just seem to be posted simply to try and impress? Somebody answers the question you asked and you pick a fight with them because they did not take into consideration what a beast you are and how you compress the living hell out of the ball? Its old already man.
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That's not my intention and I'm very sorry if I come across that way. I really don't mean to. I was just stating why what he thought was incorrect. I didn't mean to pick a fight.
Sorry guys
I'll try and fix that.
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its cool, i dont take it personally...i just gave you a generic answer cause you gave me a generic question...next time clarify better the state of your game

[quote name='Eternal_Envoy' timestamp='1294268364' post='2877097']
For me and the people in my area, the Z Starspins less off of the driver and irons than the Z Star X

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My question is: How do you know each balls spin rate ? How can you possibly tell which ball is supposedly spinning more from a Driver?

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[quote name='Eternal_Envoy' timestamp='1294268364' post='2877097']
For me and the people in my area, the Z Starspins less off of the driver and irons than the Z Star X

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My question is: How do you know each balls spin rate ? How can you possibly tell which ball is supposedly spinning more from a Driver?
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Trackman... Launch Monitors.
And when one ball hits the ground and spins backwards with the driver and one rolls forward on equally struck shots, it's obvious one is spinning more than the other. Everyone I've met in my area has given similar stories

Then why dont you ask the other people in your area

[quote name='bubbagump' timestamp='1294350396' post='2879009']
Then why dont you ask the other people in your area
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Because the people on WRX are smarter