New and Improved Shaft Chart

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  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 9,132 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Apr 19, 2018 #752
    mesegrn wrote:


    mesegrn wrote:



    Simply tweak lofts stronger.

    To much spin (if thats so),is to much loft, the ball dont know where it came from. A shaft like DGX100 could make a small differece, but now you added close to 15 gram shaft weight, and shaft weight is not the job for ball flight, so we mess up a lot, to get ball flight right, but that should be done using loft




    Would a 120gram S400 help me at all? It's just 5 grams heavier than my project x 5.5. I really like my lofts and prefer not to decrease them.




    That depend on your swing. A shaft can add or reduce loft at impact, nothing else, and loft is loft, so if you think that a shaft who reduce loft by 1 or 2 is any different than adusting static loft 1 or 2, somesne filled your head with BS about shafts.



    Your distance/Gapping will change no matter way we go, we cant overrule that, since what we are talking is still loft.



    Some players get hung up in things like bounce, same same, if we tweak the head 1 or use a shaft that reduce loft by 1, we loose 1 of bounce, and we cant prevent that either so "Liking" loft specs is not very smart if you want a different ball flight, since thats a loft issue




    I guess I need to be more specific. I don't want to change loft only because I don't hit the ball very high as it is, so I was assuming that decreasing the loft would make it worse. I am just looking for a shaft this will reduce the spin rate in my ball, not my loft. So I was thinking that by going stiffer that it would achieve this goal. I pick the golf ball, not a digger at all. I hit pitching wedges all the time and never disturb the turf. So what about a shaft with as stiffer tip and active mid section like the Project X LZ?




    Cant be done, we cant split launch and spin using a different shaft, we need a different head to do that.



    Vertical center of gravity on your next heads should be closer to the ground then those heads you got.



    That will add launch and take off some spin with the same static loft.



    Its impossible using a shaft since all the shaft is doing is bending more or less, and by that add or reduce loft at impact
  • mesegrnmesegrn mesegrn Members Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭✭✭✭

    mesegrn wrote:


    mesegrn wrote:



    Simply tweak lofts stronger.

    To much spin (if thats so),is to much loft, the ball dont know where it came from. A shaft like DGX100 could make a small differece, but now you added close to 15 gram shaft weight, and shaft weight is not the job for ball flight, so we mess up a lot, to get ball flight right, but that should be done using loft




    Would a 120gram S400 help me at all? It's just 5 grams heavier than my project x 5.5. I really like my lofts and prefer not to decrease them.




    That depend on your swing. A shaft can add or reduce loft at impact, nothing else, and loft is loft, so if you think that a shaft who reduce loft by 1 or 2 is any different than adusting static loft 1 or 2, somesne filled your head with BS about shafts.



    Your distance/Gapping will change no matter way we go, we cant overrule that, since what we are talking is still loft.



    Some players get hung up in things like bounce, same same, if we tweak the head 1 or use a shaft that reduce loft by 1, we loose 1 of bounce, and we cant prevent that either so "Liking" loft specs is not very smart if you want a different ball flight, since thats a loft issue




    I guess I need to be more specific. I don't want to change loft only because I don't hit the ball very high as it is, so I was assuming that decreasing the loft would make it worse. I am just looking for a shaft this will reduce the spin rate in my ball, not my loft. So I was thinking that by going stiffer that it would achieve this goal. I pick the golf ball, not a digger at all. I hit pitching wedges all the time and never disturb the turf. So what about a shaft with as stiffer tip and active mid section like the Project X LZ?




    Cant be done, we cant split launch and spin using a different shaft, we need a different head to do that.



    Vertical center of gravity on your next heads should be closer to the ground then those heads you got.



    That will add launch and take off some spin with the same static loft.



    Its impossible using a shaft since all the shaft is doing is bending more or less, and by that add or reduce loft at impact




    Thanks for your time and information!
  • mesegrnmesegrn mesegrn Members Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Stuart G. wrote:


    The only thing the shaft can directly do to the ball flight is affect the dynamic loft based on the amount of forward shaft bend at impact. That means spin and launch go up/down together.



    Do you know what the numbers are that you are getting now that you think is a low launch but high spin?




    Stuart,

    I haven't been on a monitor in years. I have no idea. Thanks for inquiring.
  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers Posts: 23,827 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Apr 20, 2018 #755
    mesegrn wrote:


    Stuart,

    I haven't been on a monitor in years. I have no idea. Thanks for inquiring.




    Don't take this the wrong way - I really am just trying to get more information - but then what is making you think you have a spin problem that needs to be fixed? Are you ballooning the ball? Is the ball spinning back too much on approach shots? is there some issue with the distances?
  • Dcoop86Dcoop86 Members Posts: 158 ✭✭✭

    Dcoop86 wrote:


    [quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1524104949'



    post='17234966']

    Simply tweak lofts stronger.

    To much spin (if thats so),is to much loft, the ball dont know where it came from. A shaft like DGX100 could make a small differece, but now you added close to 15 gram shaft weight, and shaft weight is not the job for ball flight, so we mess up a lot, to get ball flight right, but that should be done using loft




    I’ve seen you mention this (or something very similar) before and I’ve always been curious about distance. At my swing speed I launch the ball VERY high and generate a lot of spin. One major swing fault being a steel AoA causing high spin loft. My question is at about 100mph for a pitching wedge, 110mph for a 6iron and 130mph for a driver....



    If I just strengthen loft, I’ll end up hitting my wedge 180 and the gaps would get awfully strange I’d think? At what point would say height and spin are just factors of speed and swing dynamics and that the flight I’m getting is what it is? I’d love to flatten my flight (especially in to the wind) with just a normal swing but to some degree it just won’t happen correct?



    I’m playing PX 7.0 in the irons and an 8* tour issued head set to “lower” (meaning it should be playing lower?) and I’m still a high ball hitter. I’ve been told both, I need to lower my flight and that my flight is great for my speed and to think of it as an advantage.



    I’m curious what you think about my situation? At what point would you say “deal with your flight” rather than continuing to strengthen lofts? Thanks in adavance!!




    Go see a good clubfitter, you are at a higher CS than the heads we play is made for, so we have to look at the small parameters too. Example, PX has a higher tip to butt deflection ratio vs DG, but even if these numbers seems small on the paper, real life is different so maybe i was "Lucky", but those PX players ive seen with a extreme high apex got way lower using DG. (In your case try DG X7)

    [/quote]



    Interesting! I keep going back and forth between the loft vs iron shaft. For one, it’s very difficult to find fitters that carry the X7 or PX 7.0 let alone both so I went on a limb for the 7.0 moving from the C Taper 130x.



    I may try to strengthen the lofts 2* strong from standard (I play p730s ant standard lofts) and see what happens since that’s an easy tweak. But I’ll certainly take this advice and keep looking for a fitter that carries the X7.



    Thanks again for the advice!
  • mesegrnmesegrn mesegrn Members Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Apr 20, 2018 #757
    Stuart G. wrote:

    mesegrn wrote:


    Stuart,

    I haven't been on a monitor in years. I have no idea. Thanks for inquiring.




    Don't take this the wrong way - I really am just trying to get more information - but then what is making you think you have a spin problem that needs to be fixed? Are you ballooning the ball? Is the ball spinning back too much on approach shots? is there some issue with the distances?




    Some issues with distance. I've lost quite a bit in the past few years since switching to project x 5.5. I can hit a 5 iron into some green and it not release but just a few feet at times (I'm a lower ball hitter). I play a Bridgestone Tour B330. I use to hit a 7 iron 165, now it is 150ish. I've basically lost 15 yards on all my irons, but not my driver or woods.
  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers Posts: 23,827 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    What shafts did you play before switching to the PX 5.5's? There certainly could be something going on due to the change but lots of possibilities and not really enough info to really pin it down. Would really need to see a complete set of the before and after numbers to really figure things out. At least I would - Howard might be able to do more with less.
  • mesegrnmesegrn mesegrn Members Posts: 1,144 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks Stuart. I’m gonna try some s400 and see what happens. Who knows?!?!
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 9,132 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Apr 21, 2018 #760
    No matter what you do, it all starts by finding the right shaft weight, and more might be your need, so get a roll of lead tape and add weight about the middle of the shaft to see if that improves anything. It will help you to narrow down shaft options
  • BirdieBirdieXBirdieBirdieX Members Posts: 290 ✭✭✭✭
    Where do some of the new shafts fall on the chart? Specifically, I'm curious of the Project X LZ 5.5 and DG 120 X100
    Driver: Titleist TS3 8.5* (HandCrafted HZRDUS Black 6.5)
    Hybrid: Titleist 818 H2 17* (Atmos Black 9X)
    Hybrid: Titleist 818 H2 21* (AD-DI 105X)
    Irons: Titleist 716 AP2 4-PW (Nippon Modus3 120)
    Wedges: Titleist Vokey Wedgeworks Raw SM7 50F-54M-60M (Nippon Modus3 130)
    Putter: Odyssey O-Works Black 2W
  • deep18deep18 Members Posts: 1,968 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I’m curious where the Modus3 120X would be. Thoughts?
  • CROCNCROCN Members Posts: 112 ✭✭✭
    edited May 19, 2018 #763
    Dcoop86 wrote:


    Dcoop86 wrote:


    [quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1524104949'



    post='17234966']

    Simply tweak lofts stronger.

    To much spin (if thats so),is to much loft, the ball dont know where it came from. A shaft like DGX100 could make a small differece, but now you added close to 15 gram shaft weight, and shaft weight is not the job for ball flight, so we mess up a lot, to get ball flight right, but that should be done using loft




    I’ve seen you mention this (or something very similar) before and I’ve always been curious about distance. At my swing speed I launch the ball VERY high and generate a lot of spin. One major swing fault being a steel AoA causing high spin loft. My question is at about 100mph for a pitching wedge, 110mph for a 6iron and 130mph for a driver....



    If I just strengthen loft, I’ll end up hitting my wedge 180 and the gaps would get awfully strange I’d think? At what point would say height and spin are just factors of speed and swing dynamics and that the flight I’m getting is what it is? I’d love to flatten my flight (especially in to the wind) with just a normal swing but to some degree it just won’t happen correct?



    I’m playing PX 7.0 in the irons and an 8* tour issued head set to “lower” (meaning it should be playing lower?) and I’m still a high ball hitter. I’ve been told both, I need to lower my flight and that my flight is great for my speed and to think of it as an advantage.



    I’m curious what you think about my situation? At what point would you say “deal with your flight” rather than continuing to strengthen lofts? Thanks in adavance!!




    Go see a good clubfitter, you are at a higher CS than the heads we play is made for, so we have to look at the small parameters too. Example, PX has a higher tip to butt deflection ratio vs DG, but even if these numbers seems small on the paper, real life is different so maybe i was "Lucky", but those PX players ive seen with a extreme high apex got way lower using DG. (In your case try DG X7)




    Interesting! I keep going back and forth between the loft vs iron shaft. For one, it’s very difficult to find fitters that carry the X7 or PX 7.0 let alone both so I went on a limb for the 7.0 moving from the C Taper 130x.



    I may try to strengthen the lofts 2* strong from standard (I play p730s ant standard lofts) and see what happens since that’s an easy tweak. But I’ll certainly take this advice and keep looking for a fitter that carries the X7.



    Thanks again for the advice!

    [/quote]



    I am in the same boat as you with the high swing speed. I hit the ball super high and have trouble in high wind days. The only shaft that has helped me was the PX 7.0, but I also hard stepped them to make them even stiffer. I also would like to try the X7, but nobody carries them. You just have to buy a set and try them out. I live near Houston so I use Impact Precision Golf in Spring. They are the official club fitter for the WLD so give them a call and ask for Trevor.
  • DNice26DNice26 Members Posts: 4,153 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Hey guys, help! Question- it would appear that the PX 6.5 soft stepped is only 1/10 a flex stronger than the 6.0. I like feel of the 6.0, but want something just a smidge heavier. Will the 6.5 ssx1 and the 6.0 essentially play nearly identical but with just a slightly heavier feel?



    Thank you!!!!

    D

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    TaylorMade RBZ Tour Issue 18, Aldila Tour Blue 7X
    Ping G410 19 hybrid, Tensai Blue 8TX
    TayorMade P790 4 & 5 Iron, 770 6-PW, KBS C-Taper S
    TaylorMade MG 50, 54 & 58 TT S400 (Spider Man theme)

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  • jmiller2jmiller2 Members Posts: 538 ✭✭✭✭✭
    deep18 wrote:


    I’m curious where the Modus3 120X would be. Thoughts?




    I'm sure it has been covered in this topic already on another page.



    The chart you see is only a number for the butt stiffness, it has nothing to do with mid and tip section stiffness.

    ~ The Nippon Modus3 120 in general would have a low butt CPM compared to the over all flex of the shaft (Soft Butt, Stiff High Mid, Soft Low Mid, Very Stiff Tip)

    ~ The Nippon Modus3 130 in general would have a high butt CPM compared to the over all flex of the shaft (Stiff Butt, Stiff High Mid, Medium Low Mid, Soft Tip)

    >> The EI Profile is a much better indicator of over all stiffness and bend profile then a single butt CPM number.



    The Nippon 105/125 shafts follow a more "traditional" bend profile something that is closer to an original Dynamic Gold (s300, s400, x100).
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  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers Posts: 23,827 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Jun 5, 2018 #766
    jmiller2 wrote:


    >> The EI Profile is a much better indicator of over all stiffness and bend profile then a single butt CPM number.




    Yes. The single frequency is a very poor indicator of the actual stiffness profile.
  • awtryau89awtryau89 Members Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok folks, looking for help on flex for Project X LZ. The 6.0 regular PX fits me well for flex but because of tempo I have been told I need as heavy a shaft as possible. I think I'll step up to a 6.5 and need to know if I should SS once or twice.
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 9,132 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    awtryau89 wrote:


    Ok folks, looking for help on flex for Project X LZ. The 6.0 regular PX fits me well for flex but because of tempo I have been told I need as heavy a shaft as possible. I think I'll step up to a 6.5 and need to know if I should SS once or twice.




    Its only 5 grams uncut wgt. from 6.0 to 6.5 and when we soft step we loose the wgt of 0.5" pr. step so at SS2 you are almost back where you started from, now in a higher launch profile.



    Add head wgt if you need help to slow down tempo, you wil not be able to make a difference that matters using soft stepped 6.5
  • Craig AllisonCraig Allison Members Posts: 84
    I moved from X100 to PX 6.5 shafts in Mizuno irons (MP63 to JPX Tour 900) and they fly much higher. This has become a problem since I moved to a links course on the coast with much more wind. The PX6.5 reads that it's a little stiffer than the X100 so I guess it has a lower kick point or different bend profile giving me the extra height.



    Back to the X100's I go unless anyone can suggest something else that I should try instead?
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    Titleist 917 F2 15 w Rogue Max 75S
    Mizuno MP-H5 w PX 6.5
    Mizuno JPX 900 Tour w PX 6.5
    Mizuno T5 Wedges w x100 DG
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  • DNice26DNice26 Members Posts: 4,153 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    I moved from X100 to PX 6.5 shafts in Mizuno irons (MP63 to JPX Tour 900) and they fly much higher. This has become a problem since I moved to a links course on the coast with much more wind. The PX6.5 reads that it's a little stiffer than the X100 so I guess it has a lower kick point or different bend profile giving me the extra height.



    Back to the X100's I go unless anyone can suggest something else that I should try instead?


    Ctaper? Should fly lower than PX and add in a little bit softer strike through the ball.

    TaylorMade M6 10.5, Graphite Design 6X, 45.25"
    TaylorMade RBZ Tour Issue 18, Aldila Tour Blue 7X
    Ping G410 19 hybrid, Tensai Blue 8TX
    TayorMade P790 4 & 5 Iron, 770 6-PW, KBS C-Taper S
    TaylorMade MG 50, 54 & 58 TT S400 (Spider Man theme)

    Scotty Cameron Phantom X 12, 35"

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  • scott_Donaldscott_Donald Aberdeen, Scotland & HoustonMembers Posts: 2,482 ✭✭✭✭✭✭


    I moved from X100 to PX 6.5 shafts in Mizuno irons (MP63 to JPX Tour 900) and they fly much higher. This has become a problem since I moved to a links course on the coast with much more wind. The PX6.5 reads that it's a little stiffer than the X100 so I guess it has a lower kick point or different bend profile giving me the extra height.



    Back to the X100's I go unless anyone can suggest something else that I should try instead?




    I am C Taper with previously hitting X100.



    I love them but prefer the feel of X100. Project X I was not a fan of.



    My next set of irons will be C Taper.



    I play Scottish Links golf daily ish.
    • Taylormade M3 8.5* Tensei Orange 70TX
    • Taylormade M5 15* Tensei White 80TX
    • Taylormade P790 UDI C taper X
    • Mizuno JPX 919 Tour 4-9 C taper X
    • Vokey SM7 RAW 46*F, 50*F C taper X
    • Vokey SM7 RAW 54*M, 60*M S400
    • Artisan BlueBonnet Carbon 0217
  • Bar_StrollBar_Stroll Members Posts: 214 ✭✭
    High swing speed, high spin, high launch player. Wind used to kill me. I got new clubs but went from Project X 6.0 to C-Taper 130X, world of difference. I've never hit the ball this low and penetrating. I honestly didn't think it was possible for me. I can still step on it and hit it high but my average launch has came way down.
    Taylormade M4 9.5* - Aldila Rogue Elite Green 995 65X
    Callaway Rogue Sub Zero 3+ - Fujikura Atmos TS Red 8X
    Titleist 818 H2 19* Hybrid - Fujikura Atmos TS Blue 8X
    Callaway Rogue Pro 4-PW - KBS C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4 50.10S C-Taper 130X
    Callaway MD4, 54.10S and 58.08C - KBS 610
    Bobby Grace "Night and Day"
  • Dcoop86Dcoop86 Members Posts: 158 ✭✭✭
    CROCN wrote:

    Dcoop86 wrote:


    Dcoop86 wrote:


    [quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1524104949'



    post='17234966']

    Simply tweak lofts stronger.

    To much spin (if thats so),is to much loft, the ball dont know where it came from. A shaft like DGX100 could make a small differece, but now you added close to 15 gram shaft weight, and shaft weight is not the job for ball flight, so we mess up a lot, to get ball flight right, but that should be done using loft




    I’ve seen you mention this (or something very similar) before and I’ve always been curious about distance. At my swing speed I launch the ball VERY high and generate a lot of spin. One major swing fault being a steel AoA causing high spin loft. My question is at about 100mph for a pitching wedge, 110mph for a 6iron and 130mph for a driver....



    If I just strengthen loft, I’ll end up hitting my wedge 180 and the gaps would get awfully strange I’d think? At what point would say height and spin are just factors of speed and swing dynamics and that the flight I’m getting is what it is? I’d love to flatten my flight (especially in to the wind) with just a normal swing but to some degree it just won’t happen correct?



    I’m playing PX 7.0 in the irons and an 8* tour issued head set to “lower” (meaning it should be playing lower?) and I’m still a high ball hitter. I’ve been told both, I need to lower my flight and that my flight is great for my speed and to think of it as an advantage.



    I’m curious what you think about my situation? At what point would you say “deal with your flight” rather than continuing to strengthen lofts? Thanks in adavance!!




    Go see a good clubfitter, you are at a higher CS than the heads we play is made for, so we have to look at the small parameters too. Example, PX has a higher tip to butt deflection ratio vs DG, but even if these numbers seems small on the paper, real life is different so maybe i was "Lucky", but those PX players ive seen with a extreme high apex got way lower using DG. (In your case try DG X7)




    Interesting! I keep going back and forth between the loft vs iron shaft. For one, it’s very difficult to find fitters that carry the X7 or PX 7.0 let alone both so I went on a limb for the 7.0 moving from the C Taper 130x.



    I may try to strengthen the lofts 2* strong from standard (I play p730s ant standard lofts) and see what happens since that’s an easy tweak. But I’ll certainly take this advice and keep looking for a fitter that carries the X7.



    Thanks again for the advice!




    I am in the same boat as you with the high swing speed. I hit the ball super high and have trouble in high wind days. The only shaft that has helped me was the PX 7.0, but I also hard stepped them to make them even stiffer. I also would like to try the X7, but nobody carries them. You just have to buy a set and try them out. I live near Houston so I use Impact Precision Golf in Spring. They are the official club fitter for the WLD so give them a call and ask for Trevor.

    [/quote]



    I ended up with the PX 7.0 as well, I didn't hard step, but I strengthened the lofts 2* and love the flight and feel. The interesting thing about getting fit is most fitters just don’t know what to do. They look at me and just say “this is the stiffest I have” with no real recommendations which is why I’ve ended up here asking for advice. Part of me wishes I hard stepped them, I’d still like to try the X7, but honestly very happy coming from the C Taper.
  • ahdongahdong Members Posts: 97 ✭✭
    +1 for the chart!
  • mgm101990mgm101990 mgm101990 ClubWRX Posts: 124 ✭✭✭
    Bar_Stroll wrote:
    High swing speed, high spin, high launch player. Wind used to kill me. I got new clubs but went from Project X 6.0 to C-Taper 130X, world of difference. I've never hit the ball this low and penetrating. I honestly didn't think it was possible for me. I can still step on it and hit it high but my average launch has came way down.
    I'm in the exact same boat. Played 6.0 for years. I'm about 102 6i swing speed. Fitter just put me in c-taper lite x. I was curious that it was light version. Said my spin was way too high
  • Bar_StrollBar_Stroll Members Posts: 214 ✭✭
    mgm101990 wrote:

    Bar_Stroll wrote:
    High swing speed, high spin, high launch player. Wind used to kill me. I got new clubs but went from Project X 6.0 to C-Taper 130X, world of difference. I've never hit the ball this low and penetrating. I honestly didn't think it was possible for me. I can still step on it and hit it high but my average launch has came way down.
    I'm in the exact same boat. Played 6.0 for years. I'm about 102 6i swing speed. Fitter just put me in c-taper lite x. I was curious that it was light version. Said my spin was way too high




    Thats some good 6i speed, I am more mid 90's. I'm sure the Lite is just a matter of how the overall weight effects your particular swing.
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    Callaway Rogue Pro 4-PW - KBS C-Taper 130X
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  • gioguy21gioguy21 NJMembers Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭
    edited Aug 1, 2018 #777
    mgm101990 wrote:

    Bar_Stroll wrote:
    High swing speed, high spin, high launch player. Wind used to kill me. I got new clubs but went from Project X 6.0 to C-Taper 130X, world of difference. I've never hit the ball this low and penetrating. I honestly didn't think it was possible for me. I can still step on it and hit it high but my average launch has came way down.
    I'm in the exact same boat. Played 6.0 for years. I'm about 102 6i swing speed. Fitter just put me in c-taper lite x. I was curious that it was light version. Said my spin was way too high
    while i'm not 102 6i, i was put into c-taper lite x (never thought i'd be swinging lite) and due to the headweight feel i've never hit irons better.



    my stock 6 goes 205 fwiw - i don't have swingspeed #'s on it right now; going to go back over the winter to get better dialed in.

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    Epic Flash SZ / 3+ (set -1/N) / HZRDUS Smoke Black 75g 6.5 tipped 2"
    Epic Flash / 5 (set N/S) / BF 90TX Tipped 1.75"
    718 T-MB 2I / PX Flighted 7.0
    785 / 3-PW / PX 7.0
    RTX4 / 52, 59 / DG S400
    Piretti Tour 801R / 35.5"

  • Ben MartinezBen Martinez Bird is the word Members Posts: 113 ✭✭
    smoky25 wrote:


    Howard Jones asked me to help him post his new and improved shaft chart. Enjoy. Click the chart to enlarge.
    Wow, just wow. Thoroughly impressed.
  • mgm101990mgm101990 mgm101990 ClubWRX Posts: 124 ✭✭✭
    gioguy21 wrote:
    mgm101990 wrote:

    Bar_Stroll wrote:
    High swing speed, high spin, high launch player. Wind used to kill me. I got new clubs but went from Project X 6.0 to C-Taper 130X, world of difference. I've never hit the ball this low and penetrating. I honestly didn't think it was possible for me. I can still step on it and hit it high but my average launch has came way down.
    I'm in the exact same boat. Played 6.0 for years. I'm about 102 6i swing speed. Fitter just put me in c-taper lite x. I was curious that it was light version. Said my spin was way too high
    while i'm not 102 6i, i was put into c-taper lite x (never thought i'd be swinging lite) and due to the headweight feel i've never hit irons better.



    my stock 6 goes 205 fwiw - i don't have swingspeed #'s on it right now; going to go back over the winter to get better dialed in.
    I think that must be what it was. I could really feel the head in the lite. The regular just felt like a lightsaber. That in combination with lower spin rates must be what won it for me.
  • Ben MartinezBen Martinez Bird is the word Members Posts: 113 ✭✭
    smoky25 wrote:


    Howard Jones asked me to help him post his new and improved shaft chart. Enjoy. Click the chart to enlarge.
    Any idea on the FCM of the C-Taper Lite X no stepping? Hit one in the golf shop the other day and loved the added swing weight, just want to see what it is comparable to.
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 9,132 ✭✭✭✭✭✭✭

    smoky25 wrote:


    Howard Jones asked me to help him post his new and improved shaft chart. Enjoy. Click the chart to enlarge.
    Any idea on the FCM of the C-Taper Lite X no stepping? Hit one in the golf shop the other day and loved the added swing weight, just want to see what it is comparable to.




    I dont have a exact FCM value, but its in line with KBS TOUR R+ 115 grams taper (or a cpm or 2 stronger) so it should be in the area of FCM 5.6 to 5.7.



    I never measured one myself, so i cant be more precise, but CPM measured butt side only, dont tell anything about the rest of the shaft, so never think that 2 shafts with the same FCM number will feel the same.

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