Beginning my try at duplicating Hogan's Swing

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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    How's it going sir?
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  • Pinsplitter59Pinsplitter59 Members  976WRX Points: 3Posts: 976 Golden Tee
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    i think you might become a Zen master BHSP, such discipline and dedication is rare.<br />
    The one who understands there is only the path, there is no destination, there is no future, there is only now.<br />
    Of course, you might be just nuts....
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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    i think you might become a Zen master BHSP, such discipline and dedication is rare.<br />
    The one who understands there is only the path, there is no destination, there is no future, there is only now.<br />
    Of course, you might be just nuts....<br />
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    Please tell us more about thailand?
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  • Pinsplitter59Pinsplitter59 Members  976WRX Points: 3Posts: 976 Golden Tee
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    hi tembolo, well i would happily make a thread on golfing and related things in thailand as long as it doesn't get out of control like last time and i got put in the naughty corner for a while.<br />
    maybe in the general talk forum would be most appropriate. i haven't seen much that looks like Ben Hogan here.<br />
    so far its been a bit dull, arrived 3 days ago. Found my favourite driving range closed, the owner owed too much money to the bank and couldn't make the interest payments, very common here for people to over-extend themselves and not think too much about the future.<br />
    I'll let you know when i start it. chok dee mate.
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  • itsjappoitsjappo Dead Straight All Day Members  341WRX Points: 0Posts: 341
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    Nothing like hogan but I like your rhythm and tempo. Seems to be an OTT move from an inside takeaway. Hands are not really flipping so thats always good. I assume you hitting little fades/cuts?
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  • itsjappoitsjappo Dead Straight All Day Members  341WRX Points: 0Posts: 341
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    Cartrydge wrote:
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    wow. scoring in the 100s? after two years?<br />
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    Proves why noone should try to duplicate Hogan's swing.<br />
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    ^^^Truth. That's why I stopped chasing the perfect hogan swing. I am just using what I learned from studying him and integrating it to my own swing. Either way, learning his fundamentals will set you the right way =)
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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    Y0 tony how we doin'?
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    Ant, you're making progress, keep at it.
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  • Evil EcstasyEvil Ecstasy Members  197WRX Points: 0Posts: 197
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    no offense man, but that swing is nothing like hogan and is one of the weakest looking swings i think ive ever seen on wrx. The top of your backswing looks terrible man, way too steep and disconnected compared to hogan. Sorry to be hard on you brother but i got to say it as it is.
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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    How's it going Ant?
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  • Ben Hogan Swing ProjectBen Hogan Swing Project Members  970WRX Points: 0Posts: 970
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    Whew.....her impact is getting me excited!<br />
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  • GuiaGuia Members  8696WRX Points: 167Posts: 8,696 Titanium Tees
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    I applaud your work ethic but I don't see any resemblance to Hogan's swing. Weak delivery in the down swing with the club falling below swing path. I would think that to get into the right positions and gain consistency it would be better to first learn the <br />
    sequence with irons, once creditable go to the driver. Just my opinion, good luck.
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  • EzgolferEzgolfer Members  3182WRX Points: 151Posts: 3,182 Titanium Tees
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    You must be kidding ...<br />
    The last swing you posted is worse than your first few swings at the begining of the thread.<br />
    In the words of johnny miller .....if Ben Hogan saw this he w'd puke .<br />
    Sorry to be harsh ...Get some one line lessons from iteach, Monte or your local pro and that will help you break 90.
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  • dpb5031dpb5031 Jupiter, FLMembers  5877WRX Points: 1,443Posts: 5,877 Titanium Tees
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    Whew.....her impact is getting me excited!<br />
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    She does have a great swing. Her right elbow is a little more alongside her right hip coming into impact instead of in front of it like Hogan, but her transition is way cool with the little lay - off swallowing move. Nice find!
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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    How's the ball flight?
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    her hand path is way off on the backswing but her hands at the top of the backswing and the top of the finishswing are perfectly matched not efficient backswing to my liking
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    How's the ball flight?<br />
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    Good
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    Shaggie wrote:
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    her hand path is way off on the backswing but her hands at the top of the backswing and the top of the finishswing are perfectly matched not efficient backswing to my liking<br />
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    Huh?....Sorry don't see it. Could you elaborate?
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  • SPIFSPIF Members  838WRX Points: 191Posts: 838 Golden Tee
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    I don't want to hit the ball 300yds.<br />
    At this point, I don't even want to hit the ball solidly...it doesn't even have to go straight. (Once I get the movements down, I'll work on the game and scoring)<br />
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    I only want to dulicate every one of Hogans movememts.....from the waggle, to the full swing, to the stand there and watch it go.<br />
    I say there is no mechanical swing secret, just mental secrets and secret feelings.<br />
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    I applaud your effort BHSP. I really do. That said, I pasted parts of your first post from 2 1/2 years ago to make a point. Hogan's swing looked the way it did precisely because he was trying to hit it hard, straight, and solidly. The visual aspects of his swing were merely a byproduct of intent. From the beginning, based off the nature in which you went after it, this project was destined to be exactly what it is. An exercise in futility. <br />
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    I think this is a great example of how chasing positions can destroy someones game (I fell into that rabbit hole as well), and can be a lesson for many. My guess is that you spend endless hours checking each frame of the swing, using mirrors and cameras to try to put yourself in a visually similar position, but only looking at one angle at a time while doing so, and never two angles at full speed while hitting balls for effect while analyzing from a 3 dimensional understanding. By doing so you have ignored, and even ingrained the opposite of, dynamics and athleticism. Know that Hogans swing would not look the way it did if his body wasn't moving fast. In fact many of his consecutive-framed positions would be impossible achieve if things weren't moving fast and in response to other parts moving fast.<br />
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    The video from your first post is much closer to your model, and honestly from that swing you just needed to learn how to release the club differently. I assume that you want to get the motion grooved, then put some speed in, but realize that once things start speeding up, positions change. It's self-defeating to try to learn any motion this way.<br />
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    I say all this not to discourage you or as a subversive attack, rather as a bit of a plea. If you truly want to swing similarly to Hogan, I honestly believe you need to abandon this project in it's current form. Take a couple months off camera. No mirror work. Just go out to a field, set a ball up 2-3 feet off the ground, and hit it with a driver. Let your body relearn a natural swinging motion, and make sure you let your hips lead. Once that starts to click, lower the teeing height incrementally, over time. The end byproduct will have you closer to what you're looking for than any amount of stop motion ever could.<br />
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    Once again, I applaud your effort and realize criticism isn't always well-recieved. But I've never understood praising hard effort when no work is being accomplished. Please take this for what it is, and I honestly wish you the best of luck with your endeavor.
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  • JobuJobu Members  1147WRX Points: 1Posts: 1,147 Platinum Tees
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    well said SPIF, positions are just pictures of the swing. Without still frames you wouldn't see any positions. And honestly, I think 99% would rather duplicate the results of Hogan's swing than the look of it.
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    Agree also with SPIF. This is what happens when you're seeking the looks and totally disregard the brain's intents. What's happening on Hogan are the results of his intents way before it happens. Most of it at setup, such as the grip, posture, stance and plane. Then all he is trying to do really is simply get himself to the top then fire his hips and swing and hit as hard as he can.
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  • Ben Hogan Swing ProjectBen Hogan Swing Project Members  970WRX Points: 0Posts: 970
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    gabh wrote:
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    Agree also with SPIF. This is what happens when you're seeking the looks and totally disregard the brain's intents. What's happening on Hogan are the results of his intents way before it happens. Most of it at setup, such as the grip, posture, stance and plane. Then all he is trying to do really is simply get himself to the top then fire his hips and swing and hit as hard as he can.<br />
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    I agree.
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  • gabhgabh Banned  259WRX Points: 0Posts: 259
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    Agree also with SPIF. This is what happens when you're seeking the looks and totally disregard the brain's intents. What's happening on Hogan are the results of his intents way before it happens. Most of it at setup, such as the grip, posture, stance and plane. Then all he is trying to do really is simply get himself to the top then fire his hips and swing and hit as hard as he can.<br />
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    I agree.<br />
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    So, re-do the project?
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  • gabhgabh Banned  259WRX Points: 0Posts: 259
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    Agree also with SPIF. This is what happens when you're seeking the looks and totally disregard the brain's intents. What's happening on Hogan are the results of his intents way before it happens. Most of it at setup, such as the grip, posture, stance and plane. Then all he is trying to do really is simply get himself to the top then fire his hips and swing and hit as hard as he can.<br />
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    I agree.<br />
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    You should have listened to the people you've despised and laughed and scoffed at years ago...<img src='http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> especially eightiron...
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  • Ben Hogan Swing ProjectBen Hogan Swing Project Members  970WRX Points: 0Posts: 970
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    gabh wrote:
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    Agree also with SPIF. This is what happens when you're seeking the looks and totally disregard the brain's intents. What's happening on Hogan are the results of his intents way before it happens. Most of it at setup, such as the grip, posture, stance and plane. Then all he is trying to do really is simply get himself to the top then fire his hips and swing and hit as hard as he can.<br />
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    I agree.<br />
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    So, re-do the project?<br />
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    No...it continues as it always has.....and loving every minute of it too.
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  • tembolo1284tembolo1284 Boom Boom Banned  20715WRX Points: 1Handicap: BeefPosts: 20,715 Titanium Tees
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    Sir...how's the ball flight?
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    Close, still need to rotate more through the impact.
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  • Ben Hogan Swing ProjectBen Hogan Swing Project Members  970WRX Points: 0Posts: 970
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    Sir...how's the ball flight?<br />
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    Great!
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