Diary of a Wedge Grind

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Retail is NOT a bad word. It's what you do with it!
I've been seeing a lot of post regarding wedges, tour grinds, tour grooves etc. I have tried out many wedges in the past two years. Ranging from "tour" to limited edition sets, to everyday retail off the rack wedges. Prices have ranged from $75-500. Pretty crazy stuff but I consider a wedge to be a very important weapon in my bag. It's saved me from more then a few bogey's and helped me get up tight for birdies. I've always felt that there was something missing no matter what I purchased and how much something cost. One of my most favorite wedges I have ever had was a Hogan wedge from the early 80's that I had a clubmaker grind down for me. I used that wedge for about seven years till it just because unplayable. Since then, I've attempted using the gamut of wedges available retail and tour. Picking up thoughts and ideas from all of them about what would be the perfect wedge.....at least for me.



I purchased two retail Titleist Spin Milled Oil Can wedges the other week and immediately started a total change in them. I figured I'd document that change for the GolfWRX community who may not be familiar or too scared to have a brand spanking new wedge put to the grinding wheel...sparks and some really odd smells everywhere! I think the results may amaze you. It suprised the heck out of me....in a good way. It left me with a smile as wide as my shoulders! image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />



I apologize in advance if the pictures take long to load on your computer, but I thought transformation would be interesting to see.





RETAIL Titleist Oil Can Vokey Spin Milled Wedges..........54-14 & 58-12

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The Results after the Grind added

54-14

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  • pitbull808pitbull808 Putter Hoarder  9368WRX Points: 149Marshals Posts: 9,368 Marshals
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    The Results After Grind Added

    58-12


    58010grind.jpg

    58011grind.jpg

    58012grind.jpg

    58015grind.jpg

    58013grind.jpg





    After Removing Paintfill and Oil Can Finish.....Both Wedges were Blued for the final result

    54-14 bent to 52*

    54Blued003.jpg

    54Blued004.jpg

    54Blued006.jpg



    58-12

    58Blued007.jpg

    58Blued008.jpg

    58Blued010.jpg

    58Blued011.jpg
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    Finally....comparison...Before & After

    54-14

    54001.jpg

    54Blued003.jpg

    54003.jpg

    54Blued004.jpg



    58-12

    58006.jpg

    58Blued007.jpg

    58004.jpg

    58Blued011.jpg
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  • pitbull808pitbull808 Putter Hoarder  9368WRX Points: 149Marshals Posts: 9,368 Marshals
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    I hope you enjoyed the "transformation" of my new wedges in the bag. In my opinion it helps to show that a retail item can be made to be as good or again in my opinion even better then "tour" with just the right amount of tweaking! The key is to find the equipment that is a good "base". Find yourself a good clubmaker who's tedious and meticulous and have him fit your equipment to you!



    To answer a few questions before they arise...while I go to bed! No, I didn't grind the wedges myself. The only thing I can take credit for is buying them, removing the Oil Can finish and paintfill. I removed the paintfill with Gel Paint Remover from Home Depot. The heads were soaked in Coke overnight but there still was a lot of OC finish on the back of the wedge and oddly..the heel and toe of the face. I removed that with Naval Jelly. Then I applied a really crappy blue job to the wedges only to take them back to my grinder with my tail between my legs to have him redo it correctly for me. Clubs were then reshafted and white Iomic grips were added. Final swing weight was my requested D4 for both of them. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />
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    those look nice Pitbull. Question, why did you grind the tops? Just to make lighter? Very interesting... That part doesn't affect playablibity does it, you have thick grass in hawaii image/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />
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  • KingOAcesKingOAces  739WRX Points: 0Jr. Boomers Posts: 739
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    Those wedges look absolutely A-M-A-Z-I-N-G! Thanks for the peek! If you ever want to sell the 58*, I'm your man!



    KinG
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  • xxioxxio Cebu, Philippines 5827WRX Points: 289Members Posts: 5,827 Titanium Tees
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    Reid,

    What does the grind on the 58 do? I might have to do that on one of my Cally Forged just to see how it goes.



    I too had my Ping Black Tour wedge ground. I also had the shaft changed to DGS200 from the CS Lite. I removed all the paint fill.

    Then it saw the course.



    The next step is to "tour groove" them. The "tour grooves" on my Callys have spoiled me. I have to play for a bit more run out on the Pings.
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    madpebs wrote on Oct 4 2006, 12:56 AM:


    those look nice Pitbull. Question, why did you grind the tops? Just to make lighter? Very interesting... That part doesn't affect playablibity does it, you have thick grass in hawaii image/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />




    The topline grind is mainly the "signature" of my grinder. It also takes some of the "chunkiness" away giving the illusion of a thinner blade.
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    xxio wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:02 AM:
    Reid,

    What does the grind on the 58 do? I might have to do that on one of my Cally Forged just to see how it goes.






    Toby...my grinder explains it to me as "bounce when you want it...and less when you don't". I've had it done previously on a Chrome SM wedges and found it to work perfectly in the bunkers...where as my Tourstage wedges with less bounce used to knife through the sand. I've also found it to work very well on hardpan and tight lies where my Tourstage wedges used to excell.
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    Reid, those look very SHARP!!!! And I thought you only liked putters... image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />
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    pitbull808 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 07:05 PM:

    xxio wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:02 AM:


    Reid,

    What does the grind on the 58 do? I might have to do that on one of my Cally Forged just to see how it goes.








    Toby...my grinder explains it to me as "bounce when you want it...and less when you don't". I've had it done previously on a Chrome SM wedges and found it to work perfectly in the bunkers...where as my Tourstage wedges with less boune used to knife through the sand. I've also found it to work very well on hardpan and tight lies where my Tourstage wedges used to excell.






    Looks like its off to the machine shop to visit my grind guy this weekend.



    How deep does it have to be to have an effect? Is it better/more versatile if it is deeper? I have an extra Tour Cally 60 that is an extremely heavy head/longer hosel so I can take quite a bit of metal off that.
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    pitbull808 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 07:05 AM:

    xxio wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:02 AM:


    Reid,

    What does the grind on the 58 do? I might have to do that on one of my Cally Forged just to see how it goes.








    Toby...my grinder explains it to me as "bounce when you want it...and less when you don't". I've had it done previously on a Chrome SM wedges and found it to work perfectly in the bunkers...where as my Tourstage wedges with less boune used to knife through the sand. I've also found it to work very well on hardpan and tight lies where my Tourstage wedges used to excell.






    looks very solus like. very nice
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    matt411 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:14 AM:
    pitbull808 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 07:05 AM:

    xxio wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:02 AM:


    Reid,

    What does the grind on the 58 do? I might have to do that on one of my Cally Forged just to see how it goes.






    Toby...my grinder explains it to me as "bounce when you want it...and less when you don't". I've had it done previously on a Chrome SM wedges and found it to work perfectly in the bunkers...where as my Tourstage wedges with less bounce used to knife through the sand. I've also found it to work very well on hardpan and tight lies where my Tourstage wedges used to excell.






    looks very solus like. very nice




    I guess you could say that....except my grinder started doing it 10 years ago. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />
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  • matt411matt411  751WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 751
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    pitbull808 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 07:15 AM:

    matt411 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:14 AM:

    pitbull808 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 07:05 AM:

    xxio wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:02 AM:


    Reid,

    What does the grind on the 58 do? I might have to do that on one of my Cally Forged just to see how it goes.








    Toby...my grinder explains it to me as "bounce when you want it...and less when you don't". I've had it done previously on a Chrome SM wedges and found it to work perfectly in the bunkers...where as my Tourstage wedges with less boune used to knife through the sand. I've also found it to work very well on hardpan and tight lies where my Tourstage wedges used to excell.






    looks very solus like. very nice




    I guess you could say that....except my grinder started doing it 10 years ago. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='(cool)' />






    your grinder should have paid a visit to the patent office!!! image/yahoo.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />
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  • Big AlBig Al I like my coffee BLACK, just like my metal!  435WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 435
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    Those are really amazing, if only i had a grinding machine image/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' /> did u lose much swing weight?







    Al
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  • reebusreebus Still trying to learn the game...  542WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 542
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    Awesome wedges! I've been doing that to my lob wedge each of the last five

    years. It does freak out my buddies that I take a brand new wedge to the grinding

    wheel before it ever sees the course! My first few attempts were real hack jobs

    but I've gotten better at it as I do more of them. I'm going to have to buy a belt

    sander to get that final "finished" look.
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    Big Al wrote on Oct 4 2006, 01:27 AM:


    Those are really amazing, if only i had a grinding machine image/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' /> did u lose much swing weight?







    Al






    There was some weight lost....but the Vokey 58 which had the most taken off was a huge chunk of metal to begin with. Which was exactly one fo the reason's I chose it to do the grind on it versus other brands. Both clubs managed to stay at my requested D4 with no tipweights.
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    Do you have any before/after topline views???
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    Great photo diary Reid!!! image/clapping.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':beach:' />



    Those came out nice! image/ok.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='(cool)' />
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  • hayesiehayesie  22WRX Points: 67Members Posts: 22 Bunkers
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    The wedges look great!! This is one of the coolest threads I've seen anywhere!
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  • seriously_obsessed_dufferseriously_obsessed_duffer  191WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 191
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    They look drool-worthy.
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    very nice I really like that finish
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  • dtwainrightdtwainright  433WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 433
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    Those wedges look awesome!



    I'm jealous that you guys have a "grind guy"! I can't even find a good clubfitter here in town. The closest thing I have to a grind guy is my dad with a belt sander...my dad knows nothing about golf!



    Regards,

    Tyler





    ***EDIT: spelling***
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  • reebusreebus Still trying to learn the game...  542WRX Points: 0Members Posts: 542
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    dtwainright wrote on Oct 4 2006, 12:50 PM:


    Those wedges look awesome!



    I'm jealous that you guys have a "grind guy"! I can't even find a good clubfitter here in town. The closest thing I have to a grind guy is my dad with a belt sander...my dad knows nothing about golf!



    Regards,

    Tyler





    ***EDIT: spelling***




    It's really not as hard as you think. Find a couple of old wedges to experiment with.

    Just start off with very light pressure and go from there. Some guys will use a sharpie

    to outline the areas to be ground off. This gives you a good pattern to go from. Heck,

    if you have access to a belt sander, you are halfway there. I have to go in my Pro's

    shop to do the final finishing on his belt sander.......
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    pitbull808 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 04:02 AM:

    madpebs wrote on Oct 4 2006, 12:56 AM:


    those look nice Pitbull. Question, why did you grind the tops? Just to make lighter? Very interesting... That part doesn't affect playablibity does it, you have thick grass in hawaii image/crazy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    The topline grind is mainly the "signature" of my grinder. It also takes some of the "chunkiness" away giving the illusion of a thinner blade.


    I remember that Honma the old days use to have that beveled top line to make it looks thinner.



    Very nice Reid! image/clapping.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />



    Boy that 58 would lost quite a bit of weight, right?



    Tell us how it plays bro!



    Joe image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />
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    Reid,



    Those look very nice, your grinder has good hands.



    A quick question. Is the gunblue the heated chemical salt bath type, or the over the counter sponge applied type?



    Let us know how the wedges play, and how durable the finish is. I'm thinking about doing a grind on my 588 60* RTG.



    Thanks,



    Serge
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    matt411 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 03:24 AM:


    Do you have any before/after topline views???




    Matt...here's a few photos of the topline on th 58*. It's much easier to notice in real life....especially with my lousy camera skills. image/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    58topline.jpg

    topline.jpg




    joey3108 wrote on Oct 4 2006, 09:18 AM:


    I remember that Honma the old days use to have that beveled top line to make it looks thinner.



    Very nice Reid! image/clapping.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />



    Boy that 58 would lost quite a bit of weight, right?



    Tell us how it plays bro!



    Joe image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />




    Joe...you have a good memory! You would think I would lose a lot of weight but I believe the Retail 58 is D5 off the rack. After the head got reshafted, and an Iomic grip was put on, the weight was right at my preferred D4.




    sergizmo wrote on Oct 4 2006, 10:41 AM:


    Reid,



    Those look very nice, your grinder has good hands.



    A quick question. Is the gunblue the heated chemical salt bath type, or the over the counter sponge applied type?



    Let us know how the wedges play, and how durable the finish is. I'm thinking about doing a grind on my 588 60* RTG.



    Thanks,



    Serge






    Serge...the blueing used is the one anyone can find in their local gun or sporting goods shop. Super Blue from Birchwood Casey, applied by hand very slowly. I've seen Super Blue used on Clevelands, and the color comes out much darker almost to a black on the RTG's. If I can, I'll take some photo's later to post of those. They look fanstastic with blood red paintfill.



    The blueing will wear off with use but is cheap and easy enough to reapply when it does.
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    Aha! The magic of IOMIC lighter grip. image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />
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    Looks great. I agree. You can do amazing stuff to a wedge. I now have the same grind on my callaway 56 as you do on your 58, and a Heel grind on my Callaway 60 so that I can open the face more around the greens for high flops.



    -CHRIS-
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  • pitbull808pitbull808 Putter Hoarder  9368WRX Points: 149Marshals Posts: 9,368 Marshals
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    My clubmaker answered my call...and here's some pics of a Cleveland Wedge with a mild grind added along with blueing. I think it's a great improvement considering the original head he had to work with. image/yes.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />



    tbc001.jpg

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    tbc002.jpg

    tbc004.jpg

    tbc013.jpg
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    I cant wait to hear the feedback on the wear of that finish, it looks great, i hope it lasts better than the B/O finishes.



    Great clubs Reid.
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