Making standard grips into Midsize

aswo3332aswo3332 Members Posts: 778
Ok, I definitely don't know the technical specs of grips like many of you on here, so humor me of this is a stupid question. Can standard grips be built up to Midsize using a specific amount of tape? I want to get some golf pride tour velvet cords, but they only come in standard. I have large hands and need Midsize grips, but there are only so many options.



Is this possible? If so, how much tape would you need to add, and how would this affect the club overall?



Thanks for the info.

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  • OUZO PowerOUZO Power #CallaWRX2 Banned Posts: 2,712
    Rule of thumb says 4 wraps increases a standard to a mid.
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  • aswo3332aswo3332 Members Posts: 778
    Right now I'm playing Midsize with 2 wraps, so for the standard I would need to have 6 wraps underneath rag grip? Is it possible that the grip will not fit on the club because of all the tape? That probably depends on the shaft butt size as well I'm guessing.



    Will this noticeably change the weight of the club?
  • HateTheHighDrawHateTheHighDraw Members Posts: 2,434 ✭✭
    +4 is incorrect. Its more like +8.
  • Stuart_GStuart_G New HampshireMembers Posts: 23,121 ✭✭
    edited Nov 15, 2012 #5
    Most grips can handle it but I'd recommend using lots of solvent and a good vice to hold the club while you push it on. It will take more effort.



    I doubt very much you'd notice any difference in weight.



    Although I've not noticed it, some will argue that stretching a grip that much can make it feel firmer/harder vs the midsized counterpart. I guess it depends on how soft the grip is to start with and what your preference might be.
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  • Jamboy72Jamboy72 Powered by the old school Members Posts: 5,956 ✭✭
    Depends on how thick the wraps of tape are...I like my grips just a hair under midsize and I go standard +4...or if you have a .580 core grip on a 600 butt, then I go +2 wraps...
  • Brianm423Brianm423 Members Posts: 430 ✭✭
    4 wraps is CLOSE to midsize. I've been messing around a lot with grip size lately. Started playing with midsize NDMC then wanted a full cord so moved to BCT and started adding tape. I was comfortable with 4 wraps, but now I'm downsizing and going to see how 2 wraps plays. Still keeping the BCT cords.
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,568 ✭✭
    edited Nov 16, 2012 #8
    aswo3332 wrote:


    Right now I'm playing Midsize with 2 wraps, so for the standard I would need to have 6 wraps underneath rag grip? Is it possible that the grip will not fit on the club because of all the tape? That probably depends on the shaft butt size as well I'm guessing.



    Will this noticeably change the weight of the club?




    Standard build up tape for Golf adds 0.015 for each layer, and 1 layer is 2.0 to 2.1 grams

    - 6 grams / 3 layers of build up equals to 1 SW point on the SW scale, as Counter weight. (Lower Reading)



    Mens Standard = 0.900

    Mens 1 x Bu Tape +1/64 = 0.915 + 2 grams grip side - 1/3 SW Point Counter weight

    Mens 2 x Bu Tape +1/32 = 0.930 + 4 grams grip side - 2/3 Swp Cw

    Mens 3 x Bu Tape +3/64 = 0.945 + 6 grams grip side - 1 Swp Cw

    Mens 4 x Bu Tape +1/16 = 0.960 + 8 grams grip side / Mid size - 1 1/3 Swp Cw

    Mens 5 x Bu Tape +5/64 = 0.975 + 10 grams grip side / Mid size plus 1 - 1 2/3 Swp Cw

    Mens 6 x Bu Tape +3/32 = 0.990 + 12 grams grip side / Mid size plus 2 - 2 Swp Cw

    Mens 7 x Bu Tape +7/64 = 1.005 + 14 grams grip side / Mid size plus 3 - 2 1/3 Swp Cw

    Mens 8 x Bu Tape +1/8 = 1.020 + 16 grams grip side / Mid size plus 4 / Jumbo - 2 2/3 Swp Cw



    Golf Pride New Decade MID size grips is about 12 grams plus from std, making a counterweight of 2.0-2.5 SW points, vs using 4 layers of build up who saves 4 gram on total weight, and reduce Counter weight effect to 1 1/3 Sw point.



    6 layers of build up tape is no big deal, and not a hard case.
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  • aswo3332aswo3332 Members Posts: 778
    Thanks for the great info Howard! Awesome.
  • aswo3332aswo3332 Members Posts: 778
    Brianm423 wrote:


    4 wraps is CLOSE to midsize. I've been messing around a lot with grip size lately. Started playing with midsize NDMC then wanted a full cord so moved to BCT and started adding tape. I was comfortable with 4 wraps, but now I'm downsizing and going to see how 2 wraps plays. Still keeping the BCT cords.




    How are the BCT's treating you? I read that those are softer than the velvet cords, so I think those might work better if I am adding 5/6 layers of tape and they get a bit firmer. Right now I'm debating between NDMC midsize or velvet cords/BCT standard with 5/6 wraps of tape.
  • OUZO PowerOUZO Power #CallaWRX2 Banned Posts: 2,712


    +4 is incorrect. Its more like +8.
    then I stand corrected.
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  • craniac24craniac24 Members Posts: 1,666
    OUZO Power wrote:



    +4 is incorrect. Its more like +8.
    then I stand corrected.




    I'm not sure you should stand corrected. I also am under the impression that 4 extra wraps = midsize.
  • AmazinBlueAmazinBlue Members Posts: 1,104 ✭✭
    Use duct tape it's thicker. One wrap of duct tape is = to 3 wraps of masking tape. Just make sure you put one wrap of masking tape on the bare shaft first, the adhesive residue from duct tape is miserable to clean off. Duct tape also weighs less than the equivalant amount of masking tape.
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  • HateTheHighDrawHateTheHighDraw Members Posts: 2,434 ✭✭
    Everyone says its +4 but I'm talking you it isn't. +4 is more like a +1/32 grip not a +1/16 grip which is standard mid size. I've messed with wraps for years and +8 is correct for obtaining a +1/16 grip.
  • ShamblesShambles Members Posts: 3,548 ✭✭
    The amount of tape differs with the thickness of the tape. If your masking tape is thin, you need more.



    Making the tape thick makes it more difficult to start the grips entry. I find it better to soften the grips mouth with gasoline to make it more easy to stretch and gain the initial entry.



    Stretching the grip thins the rubber some and you might not like the thinner feeling which comes out a bit hard. Some people like that harder feeling but others react differently.



    Best might be to special order the right size from the distributor.





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  • Russ757Russ757 Members Posts: 7,654 ✭✭
    here



    http://www.golfworks.com/images/art/GripSizing.pdf



    I found this the other day here. Look your shafts and grips up online, get their specs and reference the chart.



    I have SPB and just installed the GP whiteout blues and it came out pretty close to what my midsizes have always felt like.
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  • HsteadHstead Members Posts: 6,327 ✭✭
    Russ757 wrote:


    here



    http://www.golfworks.../GripSizing.pdf



    I found this the other day here. Look your shafts and grips up online, get their specs and reference the chart.



    I have SPB and just installed the GP whiteout blues and it came out pretty close to what my midsizes have always felt like.




    Great info. I buy the GolfWorks buildup tape and each wrap is designed to increase the grip 1/64th, so it is easy to do the math. Some tapes are thinner than others.



    Myself, I have Iomic 2.3 Stickys and I have three extra wraps, four total and they are pretty close to midsize, that is a .600 shaft butt.
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  • plus8plus8 Members Posts: 735
    edited Nov 16, 2012 #18
    It also depends on the grip outside diameter -- I've started using Lamkin grips, and have found that they are just slightly fatter than GP's. That would affect the number of buildup layers as well. My PP 3Gen grips have are .580 core on a .600 butt and I use 3 layers of masking tape to get a just-under-midsize feel.



    YMMV.
  • Russ757Russ757 Members Posts: 7,654 ✭✭
    ya i used the build up tape because.. well I didnt read the description when I ordered them. I used 3 +1 on with the lamkin corded performance pluses (highly underated wood grips btw) as well as 3+2 on the whiteouts. According to the sheet, the GPs needed another wrap but they were close enough.



    As Plus8 said, Lamkins play a little fatter than the GPs.
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  • mxtitleistgolfermxtitleistgolfer Members Posts: 1,922 ✭✭


    Everyone says its +4 but I'm talking you it isn't. +4 is more like a +1/32 grip not a +1/16 grip which is standard mid size. I've messed with wraps for years and +8 is correct for obtaining a +1/16 grip.




    A midsize grip is going to be +1/32, which is what the OP is asking for. So yes, 4 wraps is about the right number. Going 8 wraps would make the grip into an oversize or jumbo grip at +1/16. Of course these numbers would all need to be adjusted depending on the shaft diameter and inner diameter of the grip. I suppose if you had a .590" but and .600" grip, then 8 wraps would be more appropriate.
  • PepperturboPepperturbo Midwest and SouthwestMembers Posts: 15,431 ✭✭


    +4 is incorrect. Its more like +8.




    I don't know the exact amount. but tend to agree with you. I use to play +4, now its +2 +4. No way +4 makes either 58 or 60 grips feel like midsize. Last I knew core diameters of standard and midsize grips are the same; only the outside diameters were different.
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  • craniac24craniac24 Members Posts: 1,666



    Everyone says its +4 but I'm talking you it isn't. +4 is more like a +1/32 grip not a +1/16 grip which is standard mid size. I've messed with wraps for years and +8 is correct for obtaining a +1/16 grip.




    A midsize grip is going to be +1/32, which is what the OP is asking for. So yes, 4 wraps is about the right number. Going 8 wraps would make the grip into an oversize or jumbo grip at +1/16. Of course these numbers would all need to be adjusted depending on the shaft diameter and inner diameter of the grip. I suppose if you had a .590" but and .600" grip, then 8 wraps would be more appropriate.




    Wrong. +1/16 = Midsize. +1/8 = Jumbo.



    http://www.golfpride.com/faqs.aspx#proper_size
  • Brianm423Brianm423 Members Posts: 430 ✭✭
    aswo3332 wrote:

    Brianm423 wrote:


    4 wraps is CLOSE to midsize. I've been messing around a lot with grip size lately. Started playing with midsize NDMC then wanted a full cord so moved to BCT and started adding tape. I was comfortable with 4 wraps, but now I'm downsizing and going to see how 2 wraps plays. Still keeping the BCT cords.




    How are the BCT's treating you? I read that those are softer than the velvet cords, so I think those might work better if I am adding 5/6 layers of tape and they get a bit firmer. Right now I'm debating between NDMC midsize or velvet cords/BCT standard with 5/6 wraps of tape.




    I love the BCT cords. I think it was last year I found a ridiculous price for golf pride cords on ebay, but they turned out to be the old tour velvet cords which I didn't like at all especially when building up tape. Way too hard. The BCT cords, even with a few extra wraps of tape, are still pretty soft IMHO. I don't plan on changing to a new style grip anytime soon.
  • PepperturboPepperturbo Midwest and SouthwestMembers Posts: 15,431 ✭✭
    edited Nov 16, 2012 #24
    aswo3332 wrote:

    Brianm423 wrote:


    4 wraps is CLOSE to midsize. I've been messing around a lot with grip size lately. Started playing with midsize NDMC then wanted a full cord so moved to BCT and started adding tape. I was comfortable with 4 wraps, but now I'm downsizing and going to see how 2 wraps plays. Still keeping the BCT cords.




    How are the BCT's treating you? I read that those are softer than the velvet cords, so I think those might work better if I am adding 5/6 layers of tape and they get a bit firmer. Right now I'm debating between NDMC midsize or velvet cords/BCT standard with 5/6 wraps of tape.




    From the time I took up golf to about eight years back, I used standard TV's, and then switched to standard cords for four years, then BCT till about a year back. BCT's felt more like cords then TV standard, least in my hands. The other noticeable difference was how the oils from my hands made cords a bit harder over time. They lacked that extra bit of grip that Tour Velvets offer, plus TV still feel nicer, and properly cared for, they last a bit longer then cords.



    NDMC in my hands didn't last very long.. the rubber turned too hard and slippery.
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  • dunndunn Members Posts: 6,362 ✭✭


    Everyone says its +4 but I'm talking you it isn't. +4 is more like a +1/32 grip not a +1/16 grip which is standard mid size. I've messed with wraps for years and +8 is correct for obtaining a +1/16 grip.






    That's because they're right....... 3-5 wraps depending on tape



    It is not 8 wraps, idk where you pulled that number
  • mxtitleistgolfermxtitleistgolfer Members Posts: 1,922 ✭✭
    craniac24 wrote:




    Everyone says its +4 but I'm talking you it isn't. +4 is more like a +1/32 grip not a +1/16 grip which is standard mid size. I've messed with wraps for years and +8 is correct for obtaining a +1/16 grip.




    A midsize grip is going to be +1/32, which is what the OP is asking for. So yes, 4 wraps is about the right number. Going 8 wraps would make the grip into an oversize or jumbo grip at +1/16. Of course these numbers would all need to be adjusted depending on the shaft diameter and inner diameter of the grip. I suppose if you had a .590" but and .600" grip, then 8 wraps would be more appropriate.




    Wrong. +1/16 = Midsize. +1/8 = Jumbo.



    [url="http://www.golfpride.com/faqs.aspx#proper_size"]http://www.golfpride.com/faqs.aspx#proper_size[/url]




    You're right, I mixed up the dimensions, but that still doesn't change the fact that adding 8 wraps is going to make the grip larger than a midsize in the majority of cases.
  • RikusRikus Members Posts: 1
    Hi,

    I think +8 wraps is correct for obteining a midsize but with the masking tape that is thinner then the normal tape, in that case +4/6 would make the size closer to mids.
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,568 ✭✭
    Just stop the argue, you got whats right in the chart i gave you

    Grip sizing is one of a few standards in Golf, so if you are using tape for golf use, the chart is correct and there is no guess work to it at all. 4 layers of BU = Midsize and 8 layers is Jumbo, end of story.



    If you are using 0.580 core on 0.600 add 0.020 to diameter

    If you are using grip tape as build up, count 0.010 instead of 0.015 for each layer



    Golf tape is made by this standards, masking tape is not, so providing info of how many layers of masking tape who gives mid or jumbo is not the same from painters tape to painters tape, so this info is useless without a brand and model nr for the tape in use. Take a caliper and measure shaft butt without and with 1 layer, and you will know how much the actual tape adds, its not more difficult than that.
  • Bigjim1022Bigjim1022 Members Posts: 549 ✭✭


    Just stop the argue, you got whats right in the chart i gave you

    Grip sizing is one of a few standards in Golf, so if you are using tape for golf use, the chart is correct and there is no guess work to it at all. 4 layers of BU = Midsize and 8 layers is Jumbo, end of story.



    If you are using 0.580 core on 0.600 add 0.020 to diameter

    If you are using grip tape as build up, count 0.010 instead of 0.015 for each layer



    Golf tape is made by this standards, masking tape is not, so providing info of how many layers of masking tape who gives mid or jumbo is not the same from painters tape to painters tape, so this info is useless without a brand and model nr for the tape in use. Take a caliper and measure shaft butt without and with 1 layer, and you will know how much the actual tape adds, its not more difficult than that.




    I don't doubt what you have posted. Maybe you can help explain though why 4 wraps on a lamkin crossline standard size does not feel like a Lamkin midsize 1/16" over? This past summer I tried building up my grips with 4 wraps, then I tried a midsize grip and the difference was quite obvious. I don't understand why though?



    Thanks! Great thread too!!
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,568 ✭✭
    Bigjim1022 wrote:



    Just stop the argue, you got whats right in the chart i gave you

    Grip sizing is one of a few standards in Golf, so if you are using tape for golf use, the chart is correct and there is no guess work to it at all. 4 layers of BU = Midsize and 8 layers is Jumbo, end of story.



    If you are using 0.580 core on 0.600 add 0.020 to diameter

    If you are using grip tape as build up, count 0.010 instead of 0.015 for each layer



    Golf tape is made by this standards, masking tape is not, so providing info of how many layers of masking tape who gives mid or jumbo is not the same from painters tape to painters tape, so this info is useless without a brand and model nr for the tape in use. Take a caliper and measure shaft butt without and with 1 layer, and you will know how much the actual tape adds, its not more difficult than that.




    I don't doubt what you have posted. Maybe you can help explain though why 4 wraps on a lamkin crossline standard size does not feel like a Lamkin midsize 1/16" over? This past summer I tried building up my grips with 4 wraps, then I tried a midsize grip and the difference was quite obvious. I don't understand why though?



    Thanks! Great thread too!!




    Feel and size is 2 different things, and 4 wraps of tape feels softer than a MID sized grips does

    The same complain is often heard from using 0.580 on 0.600 core. The added rubber is harder than build up tape, so the feel of the grip becomes different.



    If target is MID size we got 3 options to get there (Mid is 0.960)

    - Standard grip with 4 layers each of 0.015 BU tape - softest grip feel with the lowest effect on Counterweight and total weight

    - 0.580 core on 0.600 - Using 2 layers of BU and 1 layers of grip tape as build up (2 x grip tape total) - Medium firm grip feel

    - Mid size grips - firmest feel, largest influence on total weight and Counterweight.



    All the 3 options gives MID size or 0.960, but weight and feel is slightly different, so take take the option who gives gives the most for you from weight, counterweight and feel of firmness.
  • Howard JonesHoward Jones Members Posts: 8,568 ✭✭
    Here is the Grip chart im using



    Measure your hand like the 2 arrows shows

    http://peecee.dk/upload/view/380931



    Use this chart

    http://peecee.dk/upload/view/391576/full
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