Cast muscle back???

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I like a "clickier" feel w my irons. I currently play s59's, but would like something with a touch less "body" to them (plus the loft spacing is really weird).



Any recommendations for a cast muscle back or a cavity back that doesn't have a ton of offset (along the lines of the s56)?
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  • HateTheHighDrawHateTheHighDraw Members  2486WRX Points: 111Posts: 2,486 Platinum Tees
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    Cleveland CG1, but they don't feel clicky at all. Super soft
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  • HighSpeedSceneHighSpeedScene Banned  3183WRX Points: 1Posts: 3,183 Bunkers
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    How about the s56 you reference?
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  • IvyguyIvyguy Members  1617WRX Points: 274Posts: 1,617 Platinum Tees
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    Yeah, they feel nice. But they have a fairly wide sole. I just don't have a great opportunity to hit these things anywhere but on a mat. It seems like I could play on the tour if they would let me hit off of one of those things, I always pound everything.



    I would be just a bit worried about the wider soles (looks wider than the s59's, probably why they are more popular than the s59 model) and a steep plane.
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  • jjj912jjj912 Members  1495WRX Points: 73Posts: 1,495 Platinum Tees
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    Maybe look at Taylormade's RocketBladez Tour Irons? I haven't hit them, but they are cast clubs and the specs show low offset. Not sure how the feel and sole width compare to the S59.
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  • slide13slide13 Members  1347WRX Points: 142Posts: 1,347 Platinum Tees
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    I don't think you'll find a true cast stainless muscle back blade which seems to be what you're asking for...don't think such a thing exists. I could be wrong though.



    People say Titleist forgings are "clicky" compared to Mizuno and the like. Not sure I buy that really, but you could give them a try. Also the Wilson blades are made of 8620 steel rather than the 1020 you find on more traditional forgings like Mizuno, Titleist, Bridgestone, etc. Not sure the Wilsons are even forged in the traditional sense, I think they might be form forged which is something different.



    The Rocketblades Tours mentioned above are not really blades but they aren't bad clubs. My friend rented a set that had these irons in them last week when we plated together and I hit them on the range before we went off. Compared to my J40 DPCs they might not have been quite as soft feeling, but they felt nice. Still...not a muscle back blade at all really.
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  • cz13X4cz13X4 Members  5701WRX Points: 213Posts: 5,701 Titanium Tees
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    Maxfli australian blades might work well.
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  • ZBigStickZBigStick Practice Perfect Form Members  5315WRX Points: 76Posts: 5,315 Titanium Tees
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    Maxfli Blades ^^^



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  • MitchellMitchell Members  5641WRX Points: 477Posts: 5,641 Titanium Tees
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    Titleist 962b, thin sole with triple sole grind, very minimal offset, stainless cast irons that will last , blade profile in a small cavity back . The Cleveland TA1 blades and Reid Lockhart blades were also cast. IMO, very difficult to go wrong with the 962b, 762b, or s56 with a WRX appropriate grind, but those who do not have the patience to accept an adjustment period due to solid ballstriking requirement these clubs require for maximum reward need not apply.
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  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Minnesota, USAMembers  7125WRX Points: 1,154Handicap: 7Posts: 7,125 Titanium Tees
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    czastrow wrote:


    Maxfli australian blades might work well.




    In Australian Blades, only the 97s and the last model 1999s were cast. There are other cast blades, though they tend to be some form of carbon steel or soft stainless, and not some of the firmer stainless models (431, 17-4).



    I own a set of Purefit blades that were said to be cast 1020, IIRC; Dynacraft had a set of cast blades in the early 2000s, as well. Again, these likely don't fit the OP's stated requirements.
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    Driver: Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 43.25"
    3w:  Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 42.25"
    2i:  Mizuno Pro, DGS300
    3-PW:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300
    GW:  Dynacraft forged 52*, DGS400
    SW:  Wilson Staff PMP 58*
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach #1 35"
    Balls: in no particular order... Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Urethane/Professional, or 50 Elite, Srixon ZStar, Snell MTB Black, Vice Pro Lime... will trot out Maxfli HT-100 or Elite 90 from time to time

    Sometimes carry 1-SW Golden Ram Tour Grinds w/Dynamic S or 1-SW Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5
    On occasion, Ram 1i or Mizuno 2i replaced with Orlimar persimmon 4w, Dynamic S

    Driver Substitutes: Golden Ram TW801, TW802, or TW805
  • GMR2ironGMR2iron Members  1599WRX Points: 152Posts: 1,599 Platinum Tees
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    The two that come to my mind have already been mentioned here; The Maxfli's and the TA1's, I have hit both, and they are demanding. Even though I'm not a Ping guy, if I were searching for blade-like and cast, I would opt for the s56's. They don't feel like Mizuno's, but they feel good. Rumors are floating that Ping may soon have a newer s model, maybe hold out for awhile and see their new offering.
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  • xxioxxio Cebu, PhilippinesMembers  5836WRX Points: 291Posts: 5,836 Titanium Tees
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    You won't find anything new that will be a true cast muscleback. Just not that big of a market for those.



    Lots of earlier models that have been mentioned. I would add Fourteen TB1000 Protos and even older Fourteen blades. Softer (and less durable) than some forgings.
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  • Tommy56Tommy56 Members  506WRX Points: 109Handicap: 5Posts: 506 Golden Tee
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    SMT Golf ...



    303 MB – For the competitive golfer that is looking for a solid, consistent blade design, this is the head you have been looking for. Thin, classic top line confidence, thin sole for reduced drag in all turf conditions and a solid feel not normally found in a blade design. This clubhead is for the player looking for lower trajectory, ultimate workability and clean classic lines. The MB model is for the golfing purist who wants the consistent manufacturing only found in a cast head.



    http://www.smtgolf.com/irons_303mb.asp
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  • DickieThonDickieThon Members  1101WRX Points: 42Posts: 1,101 Platinum Tees
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    Tommy56 wrote:


    SMT Golf ...



    303 MB – For the competitive golfer that is looking for a solid, consistent blade design, this is the head you have been looking for. Thin, classic top line confidence, thin sole for reduced drag in all turf conditions and a solid feel not normally found in a blade design. This clubhead is for the player looking for lower trajectory, ultimate workability and clean classic lines. The MB model is for the golfing purist who wants the consistent manufacturing only found in a cast head.



    http://www.smtgolf.com/irons_303mb.asp




    I've got a set of these hiding in my basement. They're pretty decent, although when you look down at them at address they have a ton of offset.
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  • amaeyzingamaeyzing Members  681WRX Points: 35Posts: 681 Golden Tee
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    Taylormade R9 B Stamps are soft cast. Give them a look see.
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  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Minnesota, USAMembers  7125WRX Points: 1,154Handicap: 7Posts: 7,125 Titanium Tees
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    Tommy56 wrote:


    SMT Golf ...



    303 MB – For the competitive golfer that is looking for a solid, consistent blade design, this is the head you have been looking for. Thin, classic top line confidence, thin sole for reduced drag in all turf conditions and a solid feel not normally found in a blade design. This clubhead is for the player looking for lower trajectory, ultimate workability and clean classic lines. The MB model is for the golfing purist who wants the consistent manufacturing only found in a cast head.



    http://www.smtgolf.com/irons_303mb.asp




    They're long since gone, the irons, I mean. SMT just hasn't updated their website to reflect it.
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    The Ever Changing Bag!

    Driver: Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 43.25"
    3w:  Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 42.25"
    2i:  Mizuno Pro, DGS300
    3-PW:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300
    GW:  Dynacraft forged 52*, DGS400
    SW:  Wilson Staff PMP 58*
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach #1 35"
    Balls: in no particular order... Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Urethane/Professional, or 50 Elite, Srixon ZStar, Snell MTB Black, Vice Pro Lime... will trot out Maxfli HT-100 or Elite 90 from time to time

    Sometimes carry 1-SW Golden Ram Tour Grinds w/Dynamic S or 1-SW Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5
    On occasion, Ram 1i or Mizuno 2i replaced with Orlimar persimmon 4w, Dynamic S

    Driver Substitutes: Golden Ram TW801, TW802, or TW805
  • IvyguyIvyguy Members  1617WRX Points: 274Posts: 1,617 Platinum Tees
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    I'm not a huge taylormade fan but those b stamps look intesting. Thanks for the tips. Although I did see those tmag mb's. god those things look sweet. Lol
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  • tkeesee391tkeesee391 Members  5WRX Points: 0Posts: 5
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    Titleist DCI 990's, old school but still good irons!
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  • Derek666Derek666 Members  1482WRX Points: 2Posts: 1,482 Platinum Tees
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    Australian blades were something i always loved the look of, very very very pretty blades.
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    tkeesee391 wrote:


    Titleist DCI 990's, old school but still good irons!




    And the pw on that set is 49 degrees.
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  • OldplayerOldplayer Members  2373WRX Points: 122Handicap: 4Posts: 2,373 Platinum Tees
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    Older set now but the Bridgestone Precept EC 603 pro are a cast blade with a compact head and low offset. They are a pretty decent iron and going very cheap when you find them. I played them for a year or so about 5 years ago.
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  • Max SuttonMax Sutton MaximusGolfingNut Members  236WRX Points: 1Posts: 236 Bunkers
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    All current Blades/Musclebacks are forged but you should look at low handicap cast cavity back irons such as Ping s56, Taylormade R9 TP (if you can get a B stamped set get that), Callaway Razr X tour, Callaway X Hot Pro, Cleveland CG7 Tour, Ping I20,
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  • Hansch99Hansch99 Members  501WRX Points: 0Posts: 501
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    Cleveland CG1, but they don't feel clicky at all. Super soft




    This is the only cast true-muscleback that I'm aware of.
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  • NessismNessism To measure is to know... Members  19371WRX Points: 1,451Posts: 19,371 Titanium Tees
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    The first set of brand new irons I ever bought were cast blades - Palmer Peerless. Bought 1 - SW and loved those things. Played with them for many years. Strangely, the 1-iron was the best club in the bag for me. These clubs were cast carbon steel, not stainless. If you want a firm feel, look for stainless.



    The Titlest 990B are a good suggestion. 431 stainless, softer than 17-4, but should provide a firm feel.
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    +1 on the 990's
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  • rainkingjrrainkingjr Members  2744WRX Points: 225Posts: 2,744 Titanium Tees
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    I have Wilson FG62's which are 8620. I actually was drawn to them because of the 8620 carbon since I love it so much in Wedges. By no means do they feel clicky. Still soft but solid at the same time. Actually Titleist forgings even though hey are 1020 feel more firm than my Wilsons. The only other company I know that made a cast blade is/was Alpha Golf. The V2 MB which is made form 304 stainless. Traditional lofts as well with a 48 degree PW.
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  • NRJyzrNRJyzr Minnesota, USAMembers  7125WRX Points: 1,154Handicap: 7Posts: 7,125 Titanium Tees
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    I'd forgotten about these, but I think they're still available; the Bang Tour Tools blades. They make a Classic I, Classic II, and Classic III. The first are based on FG17s, though they've changed the short iron shape a bit. The Classic II are Wilson Staffs from the late 60s, and the Classic III are based on the Apex II.



    Problem with the Classic III set, they messed up the club lofts, and the PW is 45°; they were made one club stronger than they should have been. Such is life.



    Ultimately, these are 304 stainless, so again, may not meet the requirements of the OP looking for something on the clickier side.
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    The Ever Changing Bag!

    Driver: Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 43.25"
    3w:  Orlimar persimmon, Dynamic S, 42.25"
    2i:  Mizuno Pro, DGS300
    3-PW:  Mizuno MP-37, DGS300
    GW:  Dynacraft forged 52*, DGS400
    SW:  Wilson Staff PMP 58*
    Putter: Cleveland Huntington Beach #1 35"
    Balls: in no particular order... Wilson Staff FG Tour, Duo Urethane/Professional, or 50 Elite, Srixon ZStar, Snell MTB Black, Vice Pro Lime... will trot out Maxfli HT-100 or Elite 90 from time to time

    Sometimes carry 1-SW Golden Ram Tour Grinds w/Dynamic S or 1-SW Golden Ram TW282, Precision 6.5
    On occasion, Ram 1i or Mizuno 2i replaced with Orlimar persimmon 4w, Dynamic S

    Driver Substitutes: Golden Ram TW801, TW802, or TW805
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  • swgolf12swgolf12 Members  1085WRX Points: 218Posts: 1,085 Platinum Tees
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    Titleist 762B's might not be a bad option either, sets can be had reasonably on ebay. You could also look into an older set of Cleveland 588 blades.
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    If you like some click, Titleist is the brand. As mentioned above. The 962b's play very bladelike as well.
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    Ivyguy wrote:


    Yeah, they feel nice. But they have a fairly wide sole. I just don't have a great opportunity to hit these things anywhere but on a mat. It seems like I could play on the tour if they would let me hit off of one of those things, I always pound everything.



    I would be just a bit worried about the wider soles (looks wider than the s59's, probably why they are more popular than the s59 model) and a steep plane.




    S56 too beefy on the sole for you? Try a wrx grind to cut em down a bit.
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