The Truth About Rust On a Club

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I've seen a lot of people suggesting correct and incorrect methods to produce rust on a club, typically their wedge. As a chemist, I want to hammer out some facts for all of you wondering about how to rust your wedges. Before you do anything else, you need to have the iron exposed; that means removing the finish on the club.



FACT 1: Iron will not rust in dry air; there has to be moisture

FACT 2: Iron will not rust submerged solely in water; oxygen must be present

FACT 3: Iron loss and rust formation occur at different places

FACT 4: Iron will rust more quickly in an acidic environment

FACT 5: Iron will rust more quickly in an ionic environment

FACT 6: Iron will rust more quickly when in contact with a less active metal such as copper, and slower with a more active metal, like zinc.



Basically, don't keep your club in water or wrapped in a wet towel, you're doing nothing for yourself. Don't keep it submerged in coke or in salt water either, you're not gonna get any rust until you expose it to air. In fact, if you're keeping it in coke, all you're doing is causing more iron loss.



Corrosion is a fairly complex electrochemical process, if you guys want me to go into further detail I can. That being said, if you keep those 6 facts on hand and remember them, you'll find yourself rusting your wedges a lot faster.
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  • marrigomarrigo Members  2876WRX Points: 133Posts: 2,876 Titanium Tees
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    Water contains dissolved oxygen so why wouldn't rust form when fully submerged in water or wrapped in a wet paper towel?
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    I think when people are using coke it is to remove a finish to make the club raw to make it rust in the future, I don't think most people are expecting a rusty wedge when they remove it from coke
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    marrigo wrote:


    Water contains dissolved oxygen so why wouldn't rust form when fully submerged in water or wrapped in a wet paper towel?




    For a few chemical reasons, but for simplicity's sake think of it as the amount of oxygen dissolved in water is dismal compared to the amount in air.




    I think when people are using coke it is to remove a finish to make the club raw to make it rust in the future, I don't think most people are expecting a rusty wedge when they remove it from coke




    True, however i've read so many people say so many people say the latter of what you wrote. I remember reading someone say that they love the look of a rusted wedge so much that they leave it in a bucket of water for a few days. image/swoon.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':swoon:' /> Just felt the need to put the facts
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    rbhan12 wrote:


    I've seen a lot of people suggesting correct and incorrect methods to produce rust on a club, typically their wedge. As a chemist, I want to hammer out some facts for all of you wondering about how to rust your wedges. Before you do anything else, you need to have the iron exposed; that means removing the finish on the club.



    FACT 1: Iron will not rust in dry air; there has to be moisture

    FACT 2: Iron will not rust submerged solely in water; oxygen must be present

    FACT 3: Iron loss and rust formation occur at different places

    FACT 4: Iron will rust more quickly in an acidic environment

    FACT 5: Iron will rust more quickly in an ionic environment

    FACT 6: Iron will rust more quickly when in contact with a less active metal such as copper, and slower with a more active metal, like zinc.



    Basically, don't keep your club in water or wrapped in a wet towel, you're doing nothing for yourself. Don't keep it submerged in coke or in salt water either, you're not gonna get any rust until you expose it to air. In fact, if you're keeping it in coke, all you're doing is causing more iron loss.



    Corrosion is a fairly complex electrochemical process, if you guys want me to go into further detail I can. That being said, if you keep those 6 facts on hand and remember them, you'll find yourself rusting your wedges a lot faster.




    It's nice to see some nice "raw" facts (no pun intended) every once in awhile.
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    OK, so when I submerged my carbon wedge in tap water and it rusted what exactly happened?
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    marrigo wrote:


    OK, so when I submerged my carbon wedge in tap water and it rusted what exactly happened?
    Did it rust while it was in the water or once you took it out?
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    marrigo wrote:


    OK, so when I submerged my carbon wedge in tap water and it rusted what exactly happened?




    i believe you mean carbon steel. tap water has ions dissolved in it, most commonly chlorine, fluorine in some states, magnesium, and copper. those metal ions will allow rust to form. i'm sure you didn't get much rust as well. it's much more efficient to use a fine mist of water on the wedge and reapplying after it evaporates.
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    marrigo wrote:


    OK, so when I submerged my carbon wedge in tap water and it rusted what exactly happened?
    Did it rust while it was in the water or once you took it out?




    exactly what i was thinking. if it did my post above will explain why, however he probably didn't get much rust at all. would get much more rust and probably a more even spread of rust is he used a mist.
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    Do people rust the wedges for looks or do they do it because the rust increases the friction on the ball which increases spin?
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    gsrjc wrote:


    Do people rust the wedges for looks or do they do it because the rust increases the friction on the ball which increases spin?




    Conventional logic would tell you that there would be more spin because of the increased roughness on the wedge. However, radar testing has shown that there's no meaningful difference in spin between a rusted wedge and finished wedge. Most people do it for the non-glare look, some like the little rusty areas. I personally just like the look of raw steel, especially if it's been sanded.



    edit: also, if you're a solid ballstriker, you'll end up removing whatever rust is in the sweetspot anyway, so theoretically after a few strikes it shouldn't really matter
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    rbhan12 wrote:

    gsrjc wrote:


    Do people rust the wedges for looks or do they do it because the rust increases the friction on the ball which increases spin?




    Conventional logic would tell you that there would be more spin because of the increased roughness on the wedge. However, radar testing has shown that there's no meaningful difference in spin between a rusted wedge and finished wedge. Most people do it for the non-glare look, some like the little rusty areas. I personally just like the look of raw steel, especially if it's been sanded.



    edit: also, if you're a solid ballstriker, you'll end up removing whatever rust is in the sweetspot anyway, so theoretically after a few strikes it shouldn't really matter




    Thanks. I figure it might also prevent people from stealing your clubs if they looked rusted too instead if bright and shiny.
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    gsrjc wrote:

    rbhan12 wrote:

    gsrjc wrote:


    Do people rust the wedges for looks or do they do it because the rust increases the friction on the ball which increases spin?




    Conventional logic would tell you that there would be more spin because of the increased roughness on the wedge. However, radar testing has shown that there's no meaningful difference in spin between a rusted wedge and finished wedge. Most people do it for the non-glare look, some like the little rusty areas. I personally just like the look of raw steel, especially if it's been sanded.



    edit: also, if you're a solid ballstriker, you'll end up removing whatever rust is in the sweetspot anyway, so theoretically after a few strikes it shouldn't really matter




    Thanks. I figure it might also prevent people from stealing your clubs if they looked rusted too instead if bright and shiny.




    LOL you might have more concerns than just the facts about rust!
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    The most effective way to rust a club in my opinion is to sit in a container of coffee grounds for 2 weeks... Like OP said above, the club must be in a raw state for the rust to form evenly... I personally follow the following steps for best results



    1) Remove current finish of wedge

    2)400,800,1200 grit wet & dry sand the club for a flawless finish- note any grit finish would work fine i personally like a grainy finish in the raw steel before the following steps

    3) clean the club with hot soapy water, dry and wipe down with acetone- note wear gloves when using acetone, also to ensure no oil from your skin is left on the club before the next step

    4) after it as been wiped down with acetone apply a propane heat gun and 'blue' the raw steel remembering to not touch the club with bare hands as this will create marks.

    5) once the club is blue it will show any imperfections in the former finish, e.g if spots still remain it will not blue. return to above steps until this step is complete.

    6) using freshly used coffee grounds (must be grounds and not unused beans) fill an empty can and place the club head submerged in the grounds, apply a small cup of warm water, only enough to moist the coffee grounds and leave for up to 2 weeks, for best results i find 2 weeks to be perfect!

    7) remove, rinse and clean out the hosel before installing a shaft for use. Reapply when the finish starts to wear.



    This is a more detailed process to most but i have found this finishes the club in a superb way, i personally have done this process minus a few steps such as bluing the club prior however i find this finishes the rust look more finely and antique when the wear fades.



    I'd love to see before and afters if anyone tries this out, ill post mine in a few weeks after my next batch are complete.
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    Just move to Florida, you'll be rusted up in about 5 minutes, no wet towels, no ion baths needed
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    Hmm...pure "water", i.e. H2O, is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen...so by "volume", oxygen would make up 33% of pure "water".



    Oxygen in the air is about 21%.



    Why is there not more oxygen in water than in the air?
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    coke is acidic.
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    This is fun stuff.
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    try putting your wedge in 50% water 50% strong bleach, amazing things happen
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    4Wedges wrote:


    Hmm...pure "water", i.e. H2O, is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen...so by "volume", oxygen would make up 33% of pure "water".



    Oxygen in the air is about 21%.



    Why is there not more oxygen in water than in the air?




    The O in H2O is not free oxygen and is unavailable to directly react with anything, however stuff dissolves in water including atmospheric oxygen. At room temperature water can hold about 10 parts per million dissolved oxygen. Fish and other aquatic organisms use this dissolved oxygen to "breath" by means of extracting that dissolved oxygen from the water with their gills.
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    gsrjc wrote:


    Do people rust the wedges for looks or do they do it because the rust increases the friction on the ball which increases spin?




    I bet this has been discussed elsewhere, but for arguments sake: Its only lookwise. I think the performance will actually decrease in real life situations, rust will clog up the Grooves which are there to get rid of a certain amount off grass thats getting stuck between the ball and the clubface. With rust and essentially no escape root for the grass you basically aquaplane the ball over the face. At least thats my theory. I keep my wedges clean and the grooves working, you can get the colour and the nonglare effect otherwise.



    But still a nice thread, thanks.
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    Just move to Florida, you'll be rusted up in about 5 minutes, no wet towels, no ion baths needed




    Or Nova Scotia, We're like the Canadian version of Florida lol. Things literally rust overnight here, you can not get any farther than 67km from the ocean here. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    To OP, Would submerging them in Sea Water do anything more then normal water with the salt content?
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    I prefer to not force the rust personally, I just dry soft bristle brush after each shot but I dont wipe them down, you end up getting a more natural looking almost camo effect and since it takes longer it becomes like an excuse to practice since I live in western nevada there isnt much humidity at all so without practice I get no rust.
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    Pigems wrote:



    Just move to Florida, you'll be rusted up in about 5 minutes, no wet towels, no ion baths needed




    Or Nova Scotia, We're like the Canadian version of Florida lol. Things literally rust overnight here, you can not get any farther than 67km from the ocean here. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    To OP, Would submerging them in Sea Water do anything more then normal water with the salt content?




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    try putting your wedge in 50% water 50% strong bleach, amazing things happen




    even the strong bleach you have is about 5-6% bleach 94-95% water. if you actually had a 50% concentrate of bleach you might have more problems than just rusting your wedge!


    marrigo wrote:

    4Wedges wrote:


    Hmm...pure "water", i.e. H2O, is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen...so by "volume", oxygen would make up 33% of pure "water".



    Oxygen in the air is about 21%.



    Why is there not more oxygen in water than in the air?




    The O in H2O is not free oxygen and is unavailable to directly react with anything, however stuff dissolves in water including atmospheric oxygen. At room temperature water can hold about 10 parts per million dissolved oxygen. Fish and other aquatic organisms use this dissolved oxygen to "breath" by means of extracting that dissolved oxygen from the water with their gills.




    the above is correct, the oxygen in water is different than the oxygen dissolved in water, let alone the oxygen we breathe. one is a gas, another is an element in a compound.


    Pigems wrote:



    Just move to Florida, you'll be rusted up in about 5 minutes, no wet towels, no ion baths needed




    Or Nova Scotia, We're like the Canadian version of Florida lol. Things literally rust overnight here, you can not get any farther than 67km from the ocean here. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    To OP, Would submerging them in Sea Water do anything more then normal water with the salt content?




    if you're submerging you're wasting your time! look at the first post image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> you should use a fine mist from a spray bottle and spray that salt water on your wedges. you'll see how fast and evenly it'll rust. the salt content (ions) will speed up the rusting process significantly.
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    Hey fellas stop the childish arguing, I mean rbhan12's avatar photo cant scream "reliable science information guy" to just me certainly! image/cheesy.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':cheesy:' />



    Good post op and it actually makes me realize that back in the day when I first joined it seemed like there were a TON of threads about how to do this. I remember one guy who was freaking out Irate that nothing he was trying worked for him and he was sick of all the bad information about it and then he posted a picture of this chrome wedge, that was pretty funny.



    I say Pin this thread! But I'm nobody so....
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    marrigo wrote:

    4Wedges wrote:


    Hmm...pure "water", i.e. H2O, is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen...so by "volume", oxygen would make up 33% of pure "water".



    Oxygen in the air is about 21%.



    Why is there not more oxygen in water than in the air?




    The O in H2O is not free oxygen and is unavailable to directly react with anything, however stuff dissolves in water including atmospheric oxygen. At room temperature water can hold about 10 parts per million dissolved oxygen. Fish and other aquatic organisms use this dissolved oxygen to "breath" by means of extracting that dissolved oxygen from the water with their gills.




    Great...now my head hurts from learning something! image/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=';)' />
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    rbhan12 wrote:



    try putting your wedge in 50% water 50% strong bleach, amazing things happen




    even the strong bleach you have is about 5-6% bleach 94-95% water. if you actually had a 50% concentrate of bleach you might have more problems than just rusting your wedge!


    marrigo wrote:

    4Wedges wrote:


    Hmm...pure "water", i.e. H2O, is two parts hydrogen, one part oxygen...so by "volume", oxygen would make up 33% of pure "water".



    Oxygen in the air is about 21%.



    Why is there not more oxygen in water than in the air?




    The O in H2O is not free oxygen and is unavailable to directly react with anything, however stuff dissolves in water including atmospheric oxygen. At room temperature water can hold about 10 parts per million dissolved oxygen. Fish and other aquatic organisms use this dissolved oxygen to "breath" by means of extracting that dissolved oxygen from the water with their gills.




    the above is correct, the oxygen in water is different than the oxygen dissolved in water, let alone the oxygen we breathe. one is a gas, another is an element in a compound.


    Pigems wrote:



    Just move to Florida, you'll be rusted up in about 5 minutes, no wet towels, no ion baths needed




    Or Nova Scotia, We're like the Canadian version of Florida lol. Things literally rust overnight here, you can not get any farther than 67km from the ocean here. image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' />



    To OP, Would submerging them in Sea Water do anything more then normal water with the salt content?




    if you're submerging you're wasting your time! look at the first post image/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':)' /> you should use a fine mist from a spray bottle and spray that salt water on your wedges. you'll see how fast and evenly it'll rust. the salt content (ions) will speed up the rusting process significantly.




    Oh I understand the submerging won't work part, I was just curious if the sea water would do anything different when submerging. Would you still have to remove the original finish when misting with sea(salt) water? Or would that step not be necessary when using sea(salt) water?
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    Not entirely sure if salt water would remove a finish. I personally don't think it would but perhaps it could, similar to how us northerners find rust on our cars because of the salt on the roads. It will cause it to rust faster to use a mist of salt water versus plain water.
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    FACT 8: Rust on your TrueTemper DG's is not awesome.







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    FACT 7: My 588 RTGs are AWESOME!!



    FACT 8: Rust on your TrueTemper DG's is not awesome.




    +1 to this... image/superman.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':superman:' />

    Was thinking about that last night while reading this thread. Def gonna protect the shafts if I am gonna be rusting and my wedges.
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