Hunt's WITB, Update 9-18-19 Ping! Honma! TaylorMade! Stability Shaft! All on page 4!

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  • geochitowngeochitown Members  2137WRX Points: 299Handicap: 14Posts: 2,137 Platinum Tees
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    One more question:

    What were circumstances of change from Wishon 919THI driver to the Callaway?

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    Lead Tape lovingly applied - Driver through GW
    TEE XCG7 Beta +1* to 11.5* - Testing at 43" w/ Matrix 7M3 stiff/Driver stand-in Wishon 919THI 13* Matrix 7M3 at 42.75"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 4W 16.5* - Matrix 8M2 /5W 18* - Matrix 8M2 stiff tipped 2" at 41.75"
    OR TEE XCG7 Beta 19* H - Fujikura Fit-on Red Stiff - 85 g at 39.25"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 22*H - Diamana Thump T93 Stiff untipped at 38.75"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 25*H - Diamana Thump i465ct 4i shaft stiff 38.25"
    Wishon 560MC's 5-PW (27,31,35,39,43.5,48) at -1/2" length KBS Tour 105 Stiff
    Vokey SM4 52-08F
    Cleveland TA588 57-10 (bent to 56*, so 9* bounce)
    Vokey SM5 60-07S  
    SC Futura X5r 33' flownecked by Bastain-cerakote sniper gray-silver dots-white flange sight line-SS Flatso 2.0
    OR Bastain Milled BM-007 Prototype 371g at 33"
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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    The Honma's are 'player's distance irons.' What I've found with the player's distance design is that you have to have the lofts super low with the 8-PW or the gapping will be way off as the ball won't fly far enough. With my P790's, I was hitting my Srixon Z945 blades in the 8-PW further than the P790's. The ball just launches too high in the player's distance irons. With the Honma's the 8-PW is more in line with what they should be and therefore there is not a huge gap between the PW and the 52* wedge.


    I got away from the Wishon 919THI. They created a newer model that has a longer neck. It's a good concept as they want to create a longer neck so fitters can bend the lie angle flatter. But, it doesn't feel right since the move to the longer neck and my older model 919THI with the short neck cracked on the face.


    I first tried the M1 and hit that further. Then I went to the Callaway Rogue SZ as I hit that the furthest. Problem with the Callaways is that their CoG is closer to the heel and I'm a low, toe-side miss with the driver. So it was easy for me to snap hook one. Lost all of my confidence. But when I caught the Callaway Rogue SZ on the center...it went a long ways. I then switched to a G400Max and loved it. It's now my backup as I game a G410 with a Ventus Blue shaft.





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  • geochitowngeochitown Members  2137WRX Points: 299Handicap: 14Posts: 2,137 Platinum Tees
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    great, thank you.

    I have Wishon 919THI with both short and long hosels.

    The bending for lie angle as we as face angle (corresponding change to loft) is nice, but might change the feel.

    I haven't been able to detect that difference in feel myself, but know that you and some others have mentioned it.

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    Lead Tape lovingly applied - Driver through GW
    TEE XCG7 Beta +1* to 11.5* - Testing at 43" w/ Matrix 7M3 stiff/Driver stand-in Wishon 919THI 13* Matrix 7M3 at 42.75"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 4W 16.5* - Matrix 8M2 /5W 18* - Matrix 8M2 stiff tipped 2" at 41.75"
    OR TEE XCG7 Beta 19* H - Fujikura Fit-on Red Stiff - 85 g at 39.25"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 22*H - Diamana Thump T93 Stiff untipped at 38.75"
    TEE XCG7 Beta 25*H - Diamana Thump i465ct 4i shaft stiff 38.25"
    Wishon 560MC's 5-PW (27,31,35,39,43.5,48) at -1/2" length KBS Tour 105 Stiff
    Vokey SM4 52-08F
    Cleveland TA588 57-10 (bent to 56*, so 9* bounce)
    Vokey SM5 60-07S  
    SC Futura X5r 33' flownecked by Bastain-cerakote sniper gray-silver dots-white flange sight line-SS Flatso 2.0
    OR Bastain Milled BM-007 Prototype 371g at 33"
  • AdamStoutjesdykAdamStoutjesdyk Venice FLMembers  161WRX Points: 115Handicap: +1.5Posts: 161 Fairways
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    Its awesome that you're a member at Orange Tree that was one of my absolute favorite courses when i lived in Orlando, it'll eat you alive in the winter when the wind kicks up and the ground gets firm!

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    Taylormade Tour Issue M3 440 9.0 actual loft 8.1 turned down 1.25* Tour AD GP 6x “Tourspec Edition”
    Taylormade M3 15* Diamana W 70Tx
    Nike VR Pro LTD Edition 18* OG Diamana Blue 103x
    Titleist 915 HD 20.5* Aldila ATX Blue 105TX
    Ping i210 4-Pw Dg 120 x100
    Cleveland RTX4 54/10, 58/10 Dynamic Gold s400
    Taylormade TP Berwick 33.5” Gripmaster Lg Paddle
    Bridgestone BXS 2020

  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    I had a friend put the long hosel head in the Golf Mechanix CoG locator and they found that the CoG was the highest and most toward the heel of any driver they had tested.





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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    As I like to say, playing at Orange Tree is like playing with a loaded .38 stuck to your head on every tee shot.





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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9315WRX Points: 1,470Posts: 9,315 Titanium Tees
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    Rich, do you plan to get the new stability Tour version into your putter? It's 110g vs the 120g+of the OG version and it allegedly plays "softer" while not reducing torque or stiffness. I'm highly considering getting a Directed Force putter with this new shaft put in...setting up a fitting for later this month. If I don't bag the DF then I'm probably heading to Evnroll myself. I love the feel of my Betti but it's just the absolute bare bones and on days where my putting is off, I'm reeeally bad with it.

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    D - Epic SZ | Tour Z Xtreme 465
    4w - '16 Tour Issue M1 | Diamana B 70
    TBD
    Irons - P760 4-PW | Modus 120
    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
    LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue
    P - EVNROLL ER5
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS



  • AdamStoutjesdykAdamStoutjesdyk Venice FLMembers  161WRX Points: 115Handicap: +1.5Posts: 161 Fairways
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    Agreed! i've played about 8 rounds there and the 68 i shot there in February I was more proud of than my career low 63 at Celebration, that closing stretch us BRUTAL in the wind

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    Taylormade Tour Issue M3 440 9.0 actual loft 8.1 turned down 1.25* Tour AD GP 6x “Tourspec Edition”
    Taylormade M3 15* Diamana W 70Tx
    Nike VR Pro LTD Edition 18* OG Diamana Blue 103x
    Titleist 915 HD 20.5* Aldila ATX Blue 105TX
    Ping i210 4-Pw Dg 120 x100
    Cleveland RTX4 54/10, 58/10 Dynamic Gold s400
    Taylormade TP Berwick 33.5” Gripmaster Lg Paddle
    Bridgestone BXS 2020

  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    No. I don't think the Stability shaft works that well with blade putters. I think it ruined my putting stroke. I think it's mean for the bigger, high MOI putters.


    I went back to my stepped shaft. My putting has a long ways to go, but recently I started putting much better. Stability shaft was too heavy in the hands for me.




    RH

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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    First time I played at Orange Tree I shot 68 from the tips one freshly aerified greens. I didn't think the course was all that difficult. Boy, did that change quickly.


    It's a really interesting design because I could shoot 66 or 86 out there on any given day. More often than not it beats me down, but the possibility of going low keeps me coming back. Or I'll start out 4-over thru 5 and then birdie 14-17 and shoot even par. Holes I play terrible for stretches, then I play them great for stretches.


    It's probably taught me more about the mental side of golf than all of the courses I've played, combined.




    RH

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  • Z1ggy16Z1ggy16 Members  9315WRX Points: 1,470Posts: 9,315 Titanium Tees
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    Yeah I'd agree. I tried a project x 7.0 wedge shaft in my old blade and it was horrible. Not totally the same but as cheap as I could do for an experiment.

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    D - Epic SZ | Tour Z Xtreme 465
    4w - '16 Tour Issue M1 | Diamana B 70
    TBD
    Irons - P760 4-PW | Modus 120
    GW - Glide 3.0 50/12 | S400 Tour Issue
    SW - Glide 3.0 54/12| S400 Tour Issue
    LW - Glide 3.0 58/10 | S400 Tour Issue
    P - EVNROLL ER5
    Ball - Bridgestone BXS



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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    I grip the putter more in the fingers and thus I utilize more feel with my putting stroke. I found that it started to force me to use too much right hand at first to get the blade to rotate. When that was becoming a disaster, I started to then flex my left wrist too much in the backstroke and that closed the blade and then I would undertwist it open.


    Disaster.




    RH

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  • ykhwazykhwaz Members  96WRX Points: 40Posts: 96 Fairways
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    nice setup

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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    Here's a 'new' putter I added to my bag. The TP Mills Ming from the Anvil Series. It's a stainless steel head with very light face milling. Can't use a stepped shaft here because it's a flare tip shaft that is required. I put a Lamkin deep etches cord putter grip on.






    RH

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  • MitchellMitchell Members  5642WRX Points: 477Posts: 5,642 Titanium Tees
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    Very nice new putter there, Richie👍Glad to see a return on your part to less technical and more feel-based approach on the greens.

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    Titleist 910d3 9.5* (d4 surefit) Motore Speeder TS 7.3
    Titleist 917f2 16.5* (c2 surefit) Motore Speeder TS 8.3
    Titleist 818 h1 21* (c2 surefit) Atmos blue TS 8s
    Titleist 962b 3-pw s400 
    Vokey sm7 raw M 54*  s400
    Vokey sm7 raw M 60*  s400
    Odyssey White Hot Pro #2
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    As usual I had to tune in to see what you had gotten next. As usual very interesting. Got to agree with my old pal Mitchell there on getting back to basics on feel and instinct

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Adams Boxer 19* Matrix Ozik R
    Hybrid Adams A-10 OS 22* Pro Launch red R
    Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special
    LW Wilson Harmonized 60 Stock TT shaft
    Putter Scotty Cameron Santa Fe 1997 vintage "Rusty"
    Bag(s) Old School Burton plain mini staff or Jones Classic

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  • wesrwesr Members  286WRX Points: 76Posts: 286 Greens
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    What’s are your thoughts on picking your short iron gappings? Seems like some big gaps and maybe a 50 vs a 52.

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    This thread is like a mystery novel with all its plot twists. Interesting reading.

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  • BIG STUBIG STU Members  12782WRX Points: 3,592Handicap: 5.0Posts: 12,782 Titanium Tees
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    Yep it is always interesting reading when Richie posts---- He knows golf and equipment and his game pretty well---- When he posts I always look to see what he has gotten next

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Adams Boxer 19* Matrix Ozik R
    Hybrid Adams A-10 OS 22* Pro Launch red R
    Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special
    LW Wilson Harmonized 60 Stock TT shaft
    Putter Scotty Cameron Santa Fe 1997 vintage "Rusty"
    Bag(s) Old School Burton plain mini staff or Jones Classic

  • wesrwesr Members  286WRX Points: 76Posts: 286 Greens
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    That is what intrigues me about his bag. I shy away from a strong 3 or a lob 60+ because they seem 1 dimensional to me. I wonder why hit 3 wood off the tee or even carry it since it is so rarely used. There are also so many that recommend 12 yard gaps between all irons and then they don’t have a full swing wedge that carries less that 100. PGS has me thinking. I only ask for selfish reasons because I wonder if I put a 62 in and consolidate a 3/5 wood with a 4 or just keep a lot of options for the longer shots (aggressive on par 5s).

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  • RichieHuntRichieHunt Members  4030WRX Points: 728Posts: 4,030 Titanium Tees
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    Depends on the course. If I had to choose, I would rather gap my long irons and 3-wood. More important shots come from that distance than with the wedges. But at my home club there's just very few times that I need a 2 and 3-hybrid and there are a ton of wedge shots, particularly around the greens were roughly half of them are elevated...making scrambling opportunities more difficult.

    As far as the 52 goes, I wanted something that could handle like a wedge around the green and still get 120 yards of carry distance. I think with a 50 degree it only gaps slightly better (probably about 126 yards carry), but is probably not very useful around the green, particularly on long bunker shots.





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    I carry a 3+ because it's good off the tee and I hit the ball high anyway so getting a 3+ off the fairway isn't a problem.


    I've considered a 58*, particularly recently as my scrambling game has been awful. I need to practice it more. But for me, the 60* is pretty versatile as I'm more likely to use it around the green compared to the other wedges, particularly from the bunker. I would say for every 1 bunker shot with a 56* or 52*, I hit 5 shots from the bunker with the 60*. I also used it on pitch shots from inside 25 yards quite often.


    I don't like using it on full swings. I feel more comfortable powering down a 56* or 52* and making it stop quickly.





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  • BIG STUBIG STU Members  12782WRX Points: 3,592Handicap: 5.0Posts: 12,782 Titanium Tees
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    Richie -- You know previously we were talking about simplifying your game on the putting end. Well for me I did it in the wedge department. When I grew up playing this game all we had was a standard PW of from 48* to 50* and a SW usually around 55* 56*. Now for years my set up has been 48 , 56, 60. And for a while I did carry a 52*. But always as far back as I can remember the 56* was my workhorse wedge. I have found myself in the last year or so making bad choices or getting confused as to like do I hit the 60 here or open up the 56. Since I play by instinct anyhow I opted to drop the 60 and once again make the 56 my workhorse. Less confusion and decisions for me. Also around the greens I hit a lot of pitch and runs with the 48* PW and do the bump and run thing with an 8 iron. Anytime I can get the putter on the ball around the green I am doing that. I guess in modern terms I "Went back to my roots".

    My top end is a little odd always has been--- Back in the day I carried and could hit the 1 iron and 3 iron and carried a 3 wood. On top of all of that I carried a little Northwestern 6 wood of 22*. Now at 63 years of age I can still hit the 1 iron and 3 irons but not as effectively. And a 13* 14* 3 wood forget it now I do not have the Swing Speed. Now I carry a 16* which I call a 4 wood with a 20* hybrid and 23* hybrid. On the 20* hybrid i have been experimenting a lot. It is an old old Adams Boxer that is offset. Normally I do not like the offset but I have found this club very versatile for me. I can play it off my back foot some and hit some really howling stingers or play it up some with the face open and hit my stock shot a soft high cut. Now I will admit I have always thought outside the box and what I do will not work for anyone.

    I posted this basically to give wesr some food for thought and maybe get your input or comment

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Adams Boxer 19* Matrix Ozik R
    Hybrid Adams A-10 OS 22* Pro Launch red R
    Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special
    LW Wilson Harmonized 60 Stock TT shaft
    Putter Scotty Cameron Santa Fe 1997 vintage "Rusty"
    Bag(s) Old School Burton plain mini staff or Jones Classic

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    I originally did not carry a 52* for the longest time. In my junior and college golfing days I was usually a PW and a 56* and a 60*. The lofts of PW's were usually 48-50* anyway. Oddly enough, I usually struggled the most with a 9-iron and PW in my hand. But I was able to beat the competition with pretty good driving, really good iron play, excellent short game around the green play and being an average putter.


    I grew up on a course that feature small greens, so in order to score there you had to hit irons close and be able to get up-and-down.


    My short game around the green had always been a strength. Oddly enough, by the time I got to college I almost never practiced it and it got even better. As a junior, I used to practice flop shots until dark and I could flop it with the best of them, even with a 56* wedge. Then the Cleveland Classic 588 60* came out and it was a total game changer. Probably one of the top-5 most iconic clubs in my lifetime.


    As I started to look at the analytics of the game more closely, I noticed that it was better to be more properly gapped from about your 3-wood to your long irons. Some of the Tour pros are so good they can get away with not properly gapping them, but most amateurs (and even most Tour pros) really give up a lot of shots when they are not properly gapped with their long clubs. If you need a 210 yard club and you don't have that in your bag, that's when a hole you should probably par can turn into a double or triple bogey. Try to power down on a longer club, hook it long and left and end up in trouble...dub a pitch shot and now you're just happy to make bogey. And nobody just takes less club knowing they won't reach the green. Our ego won't allow it.


    But the problem I ran into was trying to power down on a PW on say a 105-120 yard shot. Tough shot to control and I feel like I got a lot of those. And with my short game around the green skills, I believe that I can adjust between a 52* and a 60* shot right around the green far better than I can say hit a PW only 115 yards. And it wasn't even a distance control issue on a PW from 115 yards, often times it would be a directional issue. Power down too much, stall your pivot and hook one well left of the green. Get out of rhythm and block one right of the green.


    I also started to see that Ernie Els and Sang Moon Bae, both of whom had great short games and were great bunker players, only carried a 52* and a 60*. So I started to think that I was better off going 52* and 60* than a 54/60 or a 56/60 combination. I only added the 56* when I became an member at Orange Tree and the course called for it.


    I've really lost my ability to hit flop shots. But flop shots are not a big thing these days on Tour. Guys rarely hit them when they can simply use the bounce and hit a lower shot that can get 11,000+ rpm of spin and stop on a dime.


    But my short game around the green got really bad the past year by my standards. Recently though, I think I figured it out. I just went back to my old technique and figured out what the issue was (I was straightening out my left knee to early in the downswing). What had happened was my old technique was off and instead of working to fix the old technique, I started to think that they I needed to use more newfound techniques and I wasn't very educated on those new techniques nor did I have the time to practice them and that's when things got really bad. Instead, I just went back to my old technique, worked to figure out the issue and just had my 2nd round in a row of great performance around the green.


    I think with those that used to hit 1-irons like they were nothing, they probably need to consider that the lofts were different for 1-irons back then and the ball was very different. Those balatas used to spin like crazy. I had a Ping Eye 2 1-iron that was very good to me. But the best driving iron I ever had was a TaylorMade ICW5 2-iron. I used to murder that thing. Probably one of the biggest mistakes I ever made was getting rid of that club (and that set for that matter). Martin Chuck said he used to have that same 2-iron and he used to kill it as well.


    I really wanted to like the GAPR, but the issue with those clubs is that they make them too upright and you can't bend the GAPR. After a while I just gave up on driving irons altogether and went back to the hybrid. I used to really hit the Mizuno CLK hybrids well. I still like the Titleist's, but they are hooky. I may go to a Ping G410 sometime.




    RH

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    Yep you know for me when things start going wrong I finally think and go back to my basics. At one time I was carrying 48 52 56 and 60 wedges and I found for me it complicated things. I had been contemplating pulling the 60 out for some time because I hardly use one. I finally did back in December and it has really simplified things for me. And besides I am and always have been a feel and instinct player. Like I said when I grew up learning the game all we had were a PW and SW.

    Now as far as a 1 Iron I still mess around with one when I play my vintage rounds and with the combination of the new balls and my slower swing speed I do not get it as high as I used to or with as much umpah. I might have told you about this but I found the ugliest Adams Hybrid I have ever seen which is an old Boxer 20* offset with a Matrix Ozik shaft. I have practiced this club quite a bit and can play it off my front foot with the face open and hit the prettiest little high 200 yard cut with it. Play it back in my stance some with the face neutral and I can hit one bad Quail high stinger with it. I was scared to death of hooking the mess out of it at first because of the offset but for some reason with this club it has not affected me yet. Even though I was a Navy man I practice one Marine Corps saying " Improvise adapt and overcome".

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    Driver--- Honma G1-X Stock R shaft
    FW Adams Tight Lies 16* Mitsu Diamana R
    Hybrid Adams Boxer 19* Matrix Ozik R
    Hybrid Adams A-10 OS 22* Pro Launch red R
    Irons 4 thru PW 1980 Macgregor VIP Hogan Apex 2 shafts
    SW Macgregor LRA 56* S-400 DJ Special
    LW Wilson Harmonized 60 Stock TT shaft
    Putter Scotty Cameron Santa Fe 1997 vintage "Rusty"
    Bag(s) Old School Burton plain mini staff or Jones Classic

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