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Hello All,

 

A few buddies and myself are playing No.2 this weekend and I'm trying to decide on whether or not to use their Caddie services.

 

I'm leaning towards "yes" just to get the full experience.

 

Caddie Options are as follows...

 

Single Caddie: $82

Caddie carrying two bags: $56 per player

Forecaddie: $26 per player

"Our recommended caddie gratuity is $30 and up per bag for a walking caddie, and $20 per bag and up for a forecaddie."

 

 

Anyone have any experience with any of these services...? Thoughts? Suggestions..?

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First time playing #2? Yes. Get a caddie. It not only enhances the experience but it will help you immeasurably with shots into very diabolical greens. Playing #2 is an experience, make the most of it.

 

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Yes... First time there.

 

I'm having a hard time picturing being out there with a caddie carrying two bags. With that said.. I'm leaning towards the single caddie myself.

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First time playing #2? Yes. Get a caddie. It not only enhances the experience but it will help you immeasurably with shots into very diabolical greens. Playing #2 is an experience, make the most of it.

 

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Yes... First time there.

 

I'm having a hard time picturing being out there with a caddie carrying two bags. With that said.. I'm leaning towards the single caddie myself.

 

These guys double bag it all the time. I wouldn't worry about it, unless you really want a single.

 

And just a heads up, I'd pay the double as if he carried two (as long as he did a great job) singles.

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Take a caddie, the course is cart path only, and it is a real pain in the butt to play it out of a cart. The caddie will be a huge help on shots into the greens, and reading your putts. No worries about a caddie carrying double, I've split a caddie with a friend several times, and it's always been a great experience, well worth the extra $90 - $100. Nothing like walking up 18 with a caddie.

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Take a caddie, the course is cart path only, and it is a real pain in the butt to play it out of a cart. The caddie will be a huge help on shots into the greens, and reading your putts. No worries about a caddie carrying double, I've split a caddie with a friend several times, and it's always been a great experience, well worth the extra $90 - $100. Nothing like walking up 18 with a caddie.

 

I hit into a greenside bunker on 18 and then thinned one onto the veranda full of drinking golfers. It rattled around and bounced out into the grass. I got it up and down amidst some heckling.

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I caddied on #2 for almost 5 years. So obviously I'm a bit biased but here's my take on it.

 

-- It's cart path only all the time on #2. And the carts paths are not exactly close to the fairways. Most people who ride end up actually doing more walking because of all the back and forth to the fairway and back. Not only are you walking just as much (if not more), but you're also missing the golf course. How can you enjoy it and take it all in when you're buried in a cart in the tree line? To get the full experience of the course, you have to walk the fairways. There's also no yardage markers on the cart paths or 150-yard sticks in the fairways. From the cart, you really have no idea how far you have to the green. How many clubs do you feel like lugging all the way to your ball and back (plus your rangefinder)? And if you miss a fairway and end up in the wiregrass, you don't know how much of a shot you will have and therefore won't know what you will need. With a caddie, everything you have is right there with you.

 

-- Don't worry about your caddie carrying two bags. We did it every day. It's the norm. And as long as you don't get a rookie without much experience, you really won't spend much time standing around waiting for your clubs. There's a method to the madness and a good caddie will be at your ball before you are.

 

-- A good caddie WILL save you a few shots. There's a ton of breaks on those greens that only the caddies know. Your eyes will deceive you. It's more than just the greens though. How much room is between that bunker and the green? What's behind the green? Is there fairway over there or is that all waste area? You can't always see what's up ahead and the caddie will let you know where to miss and where not to. Especially helpful when escaping the waste areas and you can't attack the green because of the lie so you have to try to dump a shot into a safe area and get it up and down for par.

 

-- You're already spending a small fortune to play there, may as well pay the little extra to complete the experience. How often do you get to play with a caddie? For most people, only a handful of times ever. May as well do it when you can. If anything is worth doing, it's worth doing right.

 

Have fun and good luck. It's one hell of a test of golf.

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I caddied on #2 for almost 5 years. So obviously I'm a bit biased but here's my take on it.

 

-- It's cart path only all the time on #2. And the carts paths are not exactly close to the fairways. Most people who ride end up actually doing more walking because of all the back and forth to the fairway and back. Not only are you walking just as much (if not more), but you're also missing the golf course. How can you enjoy it and take it all in when you're buried in a cart in the tree line? To get the full experience of the course, you have to walk the fairways. There's also no yardage markers on the cart paths or 150-yard sticks in the fairways. From the cart, you really have no idea how far you have to the green. How many clubs do you feel like lugging all the way to your ball and back (plus your rangefinder)? And if you miss a fairway and end up in the wiregrass, you don't know how much of a shot you will have and therefore won't know what you will need. With a caddie, everything you have is right there with you.

 

-- Don't worry about your caddie carrying two bags. We did it every day. It's the norm. And as long as you don't get a rookie without much experience, you really won't spend much time standing around waiting for your clubs. There's a method to the madness and a good caddie will be at your ball before you are.

 

-- A good caddie WILL save you a few shots. There's a ton of breaks on those greens that only the caddies know. Your eyes will deceive you.

 

-- You're already spending a small fortune to play there, may as well pay the little extra to complete the experience. How often do you get to play with a caddie? For most people, only a handful of times ever. May as well do it when you can. If anything is worth doing, it's worth doing right.

 

Have fun and good luck. It's one hell of a test of golf.

 

Nice post. That was exactly my experience. Worth every dollar - at least once.

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If it is your first time definitely...... They will make it very much more enjoyable plus they will share the history of the course with you as you play..... It will be a truly memorable experience!

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Caddie is a must on 2, if you take a cart you'll miss out much of the beauty that is #2

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I caddied on #2 for almost 5 years. So obviously I'm a bit biased but here's my take on it.

 

-- It's cart path only all the time on #2. And the carts paths are not exactly close to the fairways. Most people who ride end up actually doing more walking because of all the back and forth to the fairway and back. Not only are you walking just as much (if not more), but you're also missing the golf course. How can you enjoy it and take it all in when you're buried in a cart in the tree line? To get the full experience of the course, you have to walk the fairways. There's also no yardage markers on the cart paths or 150-yard sticks in the fairways. From the cart, you really have no idea how far you have to the green. How many clubs do you feel like lugging all the way to your ball and back (plus your rangefinder)? And if you miss a fairway and end up in the wiregrass, you don't know how much of a shot you will have and therefore won't know what you will need. With a caddie, everything you have is right there with you.

 

-- Don't worry about your caddie carrying two bags. We did it every day. It's the norm. And as long as you don't get a rookie without much experience, you really won't spend much time standing around waiting for your clubs. There's a method to the madness and a good caddie will be at your ball before you are.

 

-- A good caddie WILL save you a few shots. There's a ton of breaks on those greens that only the caddies know. Your eyes will deceive you. It's more than just the greens though. How much room is between that bunker and the green? What's behind the green? Is there fairway over there or is that all waste area? You can't always see what's up ahead and the caddie will let you know where to miss and where not to. Especially helpful when escaping the waste areas and you can't attack the green because of the lie so you have to try to dump a shot into a safe area and get it up and down for par.

 

-- You're already spending a small fortune to play there, may as well pay the little extra to complete the experience. How often do you get to play with a caddie? For most people, only a handful of times ever. May as well do it when you can. If anything is worth doing, it's worth doing right.

 

Have fun and good luck. It's one hell of a test of golf.

 

I was leaning towards single caddie and this post helped me make up my mind. :) Great info.. Thanks!

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I caddied on #2 for almost 5 years. So obviously I'm a bit biased but here's my take on it.

 

-- It's cart path only all the time on #2. And the carts paths are not exactly close to the fairways. Most people who ride end up actually doing more walking because of all the back and forth to the fairway and back. Not only are you walking just as much (if not more), but you're also missing the golf course. How can you enjoy it and take it all in when you're buried in a cart in the tree line? To get the full experience of the course, you have to walk the fairways. There's also no yardage markers on the cart paths or 150-yard sticks in the fairways. From the cart, you really have no idea how far you have to the green. How many clubs do you feel like lugging all the way to your ball and back (plus your rangefinder)? And if you miss a fairway and end up in the wiregrass, you don't know how much of a shot you will have and therefore won't know what you will need. With a caddie, everything you have is right there with you.

 

-- Don't worry about your caddie carrying two bags. We did it every day. It's the norm. And as long as you don't get a rookie without much experience, you really won't spend much time standing around waiting for your clubs. There's a method to the madness and a good caddie will be at your ball before you are.

 

-- A good caddie WILL save you a few shots. There's a ton of breaks on those greens that only the caddies know. Your eyes will deceive you. It's more than just the greens though. How much room is between that bunker and the green? What's behind the green? Is there fairway over there or is that all waste area? You can't always see what's up ahead and the caddie will let you know where to miss and where not to. Especially helpful when escaping the waste areas and you can't attack the green because of the lie so you have to try to dump a shot into a safe area and get it up and down for par.

 

-- You're already spending a small fortune to play there, may as well pay the little extra to complete the experience. How often do you get to play with a caddie? For most people, only a handful of times ever. May as well do it when you can. If anything is worth doing, it's worth doing right.

 

Have fun and good luck. It's one hell of a test of golf.

 

I was leaning towards single caddie and this post helped me make up my mind. :) Great info.. Thanks!

 

The single caddie actually ends up costing you more so you can save money by splitting. I can see how it can be nice having your own caddie but then you aren't as engaged with your buddy and his round. When you and a friend split a caddie, you're more in tune with what your buddy is doing and have a chance to walk alongside him more because players have the tendency to walk alongside their caddy. When everyone in the group has singles, I find that they tend to sort of just stick to themselves and their own caddie and their own round and become less engaged with the others in the group. Just my observation from doing hundreds of loops on the Deuce. It also makes betting more fun with doubles because you'll have one team sharing one caddie and another team sharing another caddie so you become a three-man team trying to win (and the caddies will get in on the action too, which just makes it all the more fun).

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Definitely take a caddie. Getting to walk the course, whether the caddie helps or not, is worth the money.

 

Also, I'd say $30 is the minimum tip, and that's if the guy does nothing for you at all. If you enjoy the experience, and he helps you make a few putts or keeps you out of trouble, don't hesitate to throw another $20 or more on top of that. It's how many of those guys make a living.

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I'll add one more thing I forgot to mention in regards to single bag caddie vs. double bag caddie. Kind of a dirty little secret....

 

When players request a single bag caddie, they tend to be given a less experienced caddie. Typically, when your new you're going to be given a lot of singles so that the caddie can ease his way into it. Once they gain some experience carrying singles, the caddie master will start to give them some doubles. You don't typically start carrying doubles right away. So if you want a good, experienced caddie that knows what they're doing and knows the course, go for a double. It's one way to ensure you'll get a more experienced looper and not someone fresh out of the training program.

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I'll add one more thing I forgot to mention in regards to single bag caddie vs. double bag caddie. Kind of a dirty little secret....

 

When players request a single bag caddie, they tend to be given a less experienced caddie. Typically, when your new you're going to be given a lot of singles so that the caddie can ease his way into it. Once they gain some experience carrying singles, the caddie master will start to give them some doubles. You don't typically start carrying doubles right away. So if you want a good, experienced caddie that knows what they're doing and knows the course, go for a double. It's one way to ensure you'll get a more experienced looper and not someone fresh out of the training program.

 

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Get a caddy. At #2 it's worth it. Just standing on the first tee all you see is sand. My caddy watched me warm up in the range and quickly sized up my distances. Very helpful. Plus some of the greens are nasty. I would read a l-r break and the caddy would read r-l. He was right every time. Plus the jokes and stories they tell are amazing. I gave a $50 tip and that seemed to be the norm (2 years ago).

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Caddie? Yes, and single for me every time. I've had a double twice (Erin Hills), and it was a p*ss poor experience each time. Never again. Nothing like standing around in the right rough waiting for your caddie to find your partner's ball in the left rough.

 

Yes, in theory a double can handle two golfers, but the planets have to align. If not, it can be a train wreck. Why chance it? If you want to stroll along with your partner, there's nothing stopping you if you have your own caddie.

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Caddie? Yes, and single for me every time. I've had a double twice (Erin Hills), and it was a p*ss poor experience each time. Never again. Nothing like standing around in the right rough waiting for your caddie to find your partner's ball in the left rough.

 

Yes, in theory a double can handle two golfers, but the planets have to align. If not, it can be a train wreck. Why chance it? If you want to stroll along with your partner, there's nothing stopping you if you have your own caddie.

 

Fair enough, but as mentioned above, the best caddies will always go out as double as they'll make a lot more. If you get a single, the best hope is that it's an older experienced guy who simply can't carry two bags anymore.

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I caddied on #2 for almost 5 years. So obviously I'm a bit biased but here's my take on it.

 

-- It's cart path only all the time on #2. And the carts paths are not exactly close to the fairways. Most people who ride end up actually doing more walking because of all the back and forth to the fairway and back. Not only are you walking just as much (if not more), but you're also missing the golf course. How can you enjoy it and take it all in when you're buried in a cart in the tree line? To get the full experience of the course, you have to walk the fairways. There's also no yardage markers on the cart paths or 150-yard sticks in the fairways. From the cart, you really have no idea how far you have to the green. How many clubs do you feel like lugging all the way to your ball and back (plus your rangefinder)? And if you miss a fairway and end up in the wiregrass, you don't know how much of a shot you will have and therefore won't know what you will need. With a caddie, everything you have is right there with you.

 

-- Don't worry about your caddie carrying two bags. We did it every day. It's the norm. And as long as you don't get a rookie without much experience, you really won't spend much time standing around waiting for your clubs. There's a method to the madness and a good caddie will be at your ball before you are.

 

-- A good caddie WILL save you a few shots. There's a ton of breaks on those greens that only the caddies know. Your eyes will deceive you. It's more than just the greens though. How much room is between that bunker and the green? What's behind the green? Is there fairway over there or is that all waste area? You can't always see what's up ahead and the caddie will let you know where to miss and where not to. Especially helpful when escaping the waste areas and you can't attack the green because of the lie so you have to try to dump a shot into a safe area and get it up and down for par.

 

-- You're already spending a small fortune to play there, may as well pay the little extra to complete the experience. How often do you get to play with a caddie? For most people, only a handful of times ever. May as well do it when you can. If anything is worth doing, it's worth doing right.

 

Have fun and good luck. It's one hell of a test of golf.

 

I was leaning towards single caddie and this post helped me make up my mind. :) Great info.. Thanks!

 

The single caddie actually ends up costing you more so you can save money by splitting. I can see how it can be nice having your own caddie but then you aren't as engaged with your buddy and his round. When you and a friend split a caddie, you're more in tune with what your buddy is doing and have a chance to walk alongside him more because players have the tendency to walk alongside their caddy. When everyone in the group has singles, I find that they tend to sort of just stick to themselves and their own caddie and their own round and become less engaged with the others in the group. Just my observation from doing hundreds of loops on the Deuce. It also makes betting more fun with doubles because you'll have one team sharing one caddie and another team sharing another caddie so you become a three-man team trying to win (and the caddies will get in on the action too, which just makes it all the more fun).

 

How much of the caddy fee (not tip) does the caddy get vs. the resort? Thanks

 

Single Caddie: $82

Caddie carrying two bags: $56 per player

Forecaddie: $26 per player

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I caddied on #2 for almost 5 years. So obviously I'm a bit biased but here's my take on it.

 

-- It's cart path only all the time on #2. And the carts paths are not exactly close to the fairways. Most people who ride end up actually doing more walking because of all the back and forth to the fairway and back. Not only are you walking just as much (if not more), but you're also missing the golf course. How can you enjoy it and take it all in when you're buried in a cart in the tree line? To get the full experience of the course, you have to walk the fairways. There's also no yardage markers on the cart paths or 150-yard sticks in the fairways. From the cart, you really have no idea how far you have to the green. How many clubs do you feel like lugging all the way to your ball and back (plus your rangefinder)? And if you miss a fairway and end up in the wiregrass, you don't know how much of a shot you will have and therefore won't know what you will need. With a caddie, everything you have is right there with you.

 

-- Don't worry about your caddie carrying two bags. We did it every day. It's the norm. And as long as you don't get a rookie without much experience, you really won't spend much time standing around waiting for your clubs. There's a method to the madness and a good caddie will be at your ball before you are.

 

-- A good caddie WILL save you a few shots. There's a ton of breaks on those greens that only the caddies know. Your eyes will deceive you. It's more than just the greens though. How much room is between that bunker and the green? What's behind the green? Is there fairway over there or is that all waste area? You can't always see what's up ahead and the caddie will let you know where to miss and where not to. Especially helpful when escaping the waste areas and you can't attack the green because of the lie so you have to try to dump a shot into a safe area and get it up and down for par.

 

-- You're already spending a small fortune to play there, may as well pay the little extra to complete the experience. How often do you get to play with a caddie? For most people, only a handful of times ever. May as well do it when you can. If anything is worth doing, it's worth doing right.

 

Have fun and good luck. It's one hell of a test of golf.

 

I was leaning towards single caddie and this post helped me make up my mind. :) Great info.. Thanks!

 

The single caddie actually ends up costing you more so you can save money by splitting. I can see how it can be nice having your own caddie but then you aren't as engaged with your buddy and his round. When you and a friend split a caddie, you're more in tune with what your buddy is doing and have a chance to walk alongside him more because players have the tendency to walk alongside their caddy. When everyone in the group has singles, I find that they tend to sort of just stick to themselves and their own caddie and their own round and become less engaged with the others in the group. Just my observation from doing hundreds of loops on the Deuce. It also makes betting more fun with doubles because you'll have one team sharing one caddie and another team sharing another caddie so you become a three-man team trying to win (and the caddies will get in on the action too, which just makes it all the more fun).

 

How much of the caddy fee (not tip) does the caddy get vs. the resort? Thanks

 

Single Caddie: $82

Caddie carrying two bags: $56 per player

Forecaddie: $26 per player

 

Roughly 50%. Little more for a forecaddie, little less for double bag carry.

 

But don't base your tip on that. Base your tip on the level of service performed by the caddie. $30-40 for minimum service. $50 and up if they do a really great job and you would take them again or recommend them to a friend.

 

(**Sadly, Pinehurst caddies actually make quite a bit less per round than caddies at other major courses and resorts, despite having one of the more regimented hiring/training programs)

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Roughly 50%. Little more for a forecaddie, little less for double bag carry.

 

But don't base your tip on that. Base your tip on the level of service performed by the caddie. $30-40 for minimum service. $50 and up if they do a really great job and you would take them again or recommend them to a friend.

 

(**Sadly, Pinehurst caddies actually make quite a bit less per round than caddies at other major courses and resorts, despite having one of the more regimented hiring/training programs)

 

As a caddie, would you prefer two bags...?

 

I assumed the tipped amount would be $50-$100.. 25-30% of the cost of the round.

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Roughly 50%. Little more for a forecaddie, little less for double bag carry.

 

But don't base your tip on that. Base your tip on the level of service performed by the caddie. $30-40 for minimum service. $50 and up if they do a really great job and you would take them again or recommend them to a friend.

 

(**Sadly, Pinehurst caddies actually make quite a bit less per round than caddies at other major courses and resorts, despite having one of the more regimented hiring/training programs)

 

As a caddie, would you prefer two bags...?

 

I assumed the tipped amount would be $50-$100.. 25-30% of the cost of the round.

 

Absolutely prefer two bags. Every time. Just do the math.

 

Single bag pays around $35 on your paycheck plus typically $40-50 on a tip for a total of typically less than $100.

 

Double bag pays around $55 on your paycheck plus $40-50 from each player for a total of around $150.

 

So it comes down to collecting one bag fee and one tip vs. collecting two bag fees and two tips.

 

Doing a double is a bit more work than a single but you're making considerably more money in the same amount of time.

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Thanks, fairway4life. I'd be interested in hearing where the consensus best courses to caddy are, irrespective of public/private (both in summer and winter)?

 

Pinehurst is the only place I ever caddied so I can only really speak for there. We were pretty fortunate in that we always stayed fairly busy for about 9 months out of the year (the winter time is practically all just member play and the members rarely take caddies as they are allowed to carry their own bags). Summer time is slow but reasonably steady. Spring and fall are the busy seasons.

 

Courses up north obviously have a much shorter season. Down south (like Florida) they are busy in the winter time but slow down a bit in the heat of the summer.

 

Basically, the caddie money follows the resort players. People tend to take golf trips to the south in the winter and go north in the summer time.

 

Pinehurst is part of CaddieMaster, which is a caddie company that includes a few dozen courses (including Augusta). So if you work for CaddieMaster, you can move around to the different courses within the network throughout the year. So a lot of guys stay at Pinehurst for the spring rush, then go somewhere up north for the summer rush up there, then back to Pinehurst in the fall for our fall busy season and then to Florida for the winter season. That way, they are always working during a busy season.

 

Like I said, I never traveled when I did it so I can't speak for other courses. I did play Torrey Pines once with a caddie and I would have to imagine that view of the ocean never gets old. Same goes for caddying at Pebble I'm sure. Although Augusta is part of the network, it's not easy getting a spot down there. Obviously that would be awesome (no double bags at Augusta though; only singles).

 

I know a handful of guys that used to go to Whistling Straits in the summer time to catch the busy season up there. They made good money but they all said that course is an absolute brute to walk and the rounds are super long because you're looking for lost balls all day.

 

I guess that's another thing that was good about Pinehurst --- it's an easy walk and it's tough to lose a ball out there.

 

I know of a couple guys that go to Liberty National or a place in the Hamptons in the summer time and they absolutely kill it for a few months caddying for hedge fund managers and what not every day.

 

But the best part by far about caddying is the playing and practice privileges. Only got to play #2 once a year in our caddie tournament but the other courses (there's 9 total) were up for grabs anytime there was an open tee time. Plus all the range balls you could ever hit. Putting greens, chipping greens. We were definitely spoiled in that regard and that was a big reason that I ended up doing it for almost 5 years when I originally thought it would just be a one-summer thing haha.

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Main thing about #2 ( I have played 3 rounds) is reading the greens. I read greens pretty good but those things are a mystery unless you have played them a few times. You can literally putt the ball off the green and it will go down a slope 20 yards from the green if you aren't careful on some holes. A caddy is invaluable around the greens.

 

I remember one time on #17 I was above the hole about 15 feet straight down hill. I said it breaks about 2 feet left to right, correct? he looked and said no, right edge putt, just tap it.. I hit it right where he told me and drained it dead center. Probably saved me 5 or 6 strokes the first round.

 

Double bagging would be fine, even selecting clubs is not that difficult, but get a caddy and make sure they read putts for you, every single putt the first round. You will be happy you did.

Ping G400 Testing G410.  10.5 set at small -
Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood

Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use.  
Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. 5-G
Vokey 54.10, 2009 58.12 M, Testing TM MG2 60* TW grind and MG3 56* TW grind.  Or Ping Glide Stealth, 54,58 SS.  
Odyssey Pro #1 black
Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell
ProV1x-mostly
 

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